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PMC65 wrote...

What type of sex scenes do people think they are going to see in ME3?

ME1 had a little skin showing but no full Monty or sex scenes, just a little tickle. Vut to the LI rolling over on the bed to see your Shepard fully dressed and leaning on a table. Not even cigarette worthy. Posted Image

ME2 was even tamer (or at least the romance scenes that I saw) with no naked partners, no steam. Well, Miranda's was a little cheeky but no naked moments. No simulated sex like you see in todays movies. Posted Image

ME3 everyone will probably see the characters wearing sweaters, parkas and jogging suits, discussing their heartaches in life .... Or sex by e-mail. Posted Image

So no worries! Posted Image



I want to see full nudity wtth cutaway sex scenes and maybe a moan face or two

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I just want fade to black. Maybe a scene with Shepard and the LI having a conversation and the two of them face each other and kiss (unless non/human then you get headbump...or something) and the screen blacks out.

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Fading to black is bleh... :( I like ME1 romance scene. Wish they showed just a bit more skin, though. :P But...I really want the passion to be shown somehow between the 2.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 20 mai 2011 - 09:07 .


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I posted this a bit earlier, then took it out when it wasn't in keeping with that particular page's tone.

I've seen all the different grades of sexy cutscene, from full on nudity to "I cheated on Kaidan Alenko and all I got was this lousy headbump."

I don't have a specific preference, rather I'll say this: explicit doesn't equal sexy or good, necessarily. For me, the two sexiest moments in any Bioware RPG are that first Ander's kiss in DA2, and the locker scene in ME1. Bear in mind that I first saw Ander's kiss scene entirely out-of-context. Someone put a link to it here in this thread (as an example of how many times you have to confirm a flirt to get an actual relationship in DA2) and I thought "ohmygod now that is something."

Showing actual tenderness and need outside of the final "night of whatever" we get at the end is what's most important to me, apparently. I actually find the ME1 horizontal mambo scenes vaguely embarrassing to watch, while the locker scene never fails to make me smile.

(As for the "is Anders really a retcon?" debate, I'd say that it's completely understandable for someone who spent their teen years in an incredibly repressive environment to develop the "take my affection where I can" mindset. It's a known psychological response to imprisonment, after all)

I'd recommend people read Zero Punctuation's Yahtzee's little essay on enjoying the gay romance as a straight dude playing DA2. It warms my cynical little heart.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 20 mai 2011 - 09:08 .


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Stylised and tasteful stuff like ME's was good. Not so much fading to black or sitting on a bed with underpants.

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I think something inbetween ME1 and ME2 would work best. DAO was more funny (Where did Morrigan's bra come from? I'd rather you just leave the nudity implied than do something like that) than anything resembling either tender/sweet or passionate (though I liked the romances themselves, just not the final scene), and as to DA2, I just unbugged my game so I cannot comment on those yet.

I felt that the ME scenes worked well, but lacked tender or sweet moments. Fade to black is not my favorite option, but it works with a good setup and is better than the embarassing, awkward underwear-sex.


Yahtzee's essay also gave me the warm fuzzies and I didn't expect it from him.

Modifié par SennenScale, 20 mai 2011 - 09:32 .


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SilentNukee wrote...

Fading to black is bleh... :( I like ME1 romance scene. Wish they showed just a bit more skin, though. :P But...I really want the passion to be shown somehow between the 2.


I agree with you!

A bit more skin would indeed be endearing; it would make the whole romance closer to reality. And I do want the passion to be shown between my Shepard and her LI... A passion just like my Hawke feels for Isabela.

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Either fade to black or more naked skin, the things halfway between them just look silly (underwear sex in DA:O anyone?). ME1 have some of the best sex/romance scenes I'veseen in a game.

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Matchy Pointy wrote...

Either fade to black or more naked skin, the things halfway between them just look silly (underwear sex in DA:O anyone?). ME1 have some of the best sex/romance scenes I'veseen in a game.

ME1 did it right. 
I wouldn't mind it lasting slightly longer, but thats not really an issue. 

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Black Raptor wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Either fade to black or more naked skin, the things halfway between them just look silly (underwear sex in DA:O anyone?). ME1 have some of the best sex/romance scenes I'veseen in a game.

ME1 did it right. 
I wouldn't mind it lasting slightly longer, but thats not really an issue. 


Indeed;)

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I wouldnt mind if a Romance would continue after they had sex...
Sex is important yes, but the Romance should be a bit more included in the overall storyline after they are together, no? I would like to talk to my love about certain heavy decissions etc.

People are going crazy about romances, but why not use that and try to influence the player? That the LI for example opens shepard up for a different kind of view etc. To let romances carry some meaning. And not just being there for a sex scene.

Modifié par Ciryx, 20 mai 2011 - 11:17 .


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Ciryx wrote...

I wouldnt mind if a Romance would continue after they had sex...
Sex is important yes, but the Romance should be a bit more included in the overall storyline after they are together, no? I would like to talk to my love about certain heavy decissions etc.

People are going crazy about romances, but why not use that and try to influence the player? That the LI for example opens shepard up for a different kind of view etc. To let romances carry some meaning. And not just being there for a sex scene.


I agree. I mean in DAO, after ...doing the deed with Alistair, he would always call me "dear" and we could kiss anytime we want and stuff. It was nice. :) But in ME, it's like your LI is just another squadmate in missions and whatnot...But maybe it just isn't in Shepard's nature to be that way, being military and all. (Mission comes first.) But, still...

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ipgd wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.


yes i found it very insulting. why do they keep bringing my race into this discussion?

and since when was having a different sexual preference genetic???Posted Image

Don't keep up with science, do you?

It's probably either that, hormonal imbalances in the womb or a combination of those factors, but all evidence suggests that homosexuality is an ingrained, immutable trait. Gay men and lesbian women even have different brain structures from their heterosexual counterparts.


Thread moves too fast to keep up with what happens while one attends the real world.
Anyways, while wading through the posts I figured this line of comments needed a comment.

Asuming the 'it's in the genes' theory.

Since gene therapy is common in the ME universe, why does homosexuality even exist in the ME universe then? Considering that one of the primary concerns of humanity should be to expand and grow as a galactic species, having a 'genetic dead end' would seem counter to this objective.

If we seperate the genetic 'disorder' (word usage as intered by it being a genetic damper to hinder natural procreation of the species) from the affected people, just like we would seperate being blind from the affected people , why insist on what is arguably a curable genetic flaw in people? I'm fairly certain people wouldn't insist that blind people should be 'preserved' just to add variety and spice if it was possible to cure blindness.  Thus with the scientific revelations done in the ME universe, the whole issue seems a fad brought up by current day people wanting to get 'accepted' for what they are.

It's a misnomer to connect present days acceptance with the ME futures possibility of it never being an issue to start with.

And guys, please do try not misunderstand me. I know you will regardless, as illustrated already by the hatefull postings done already by the vocal people that flame anyone for even daring to comment in the thread without being fully in agrteement with them, but read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote. :blush:

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Ciryx wrote...

I wouldnt mind if a Romance would continue after they had sex...
Sex is important yes, but the Romance should be a bit more included in the overall storyline after they are together, no? I would like to talk to my love about certain heavy decissions etc.

People are going crazy about romances, but why not use that and try to influence the player? That the LI for example opens shepard up for a different kind of view etc. To let romances carry some meaning. And not just being there for a sex scene.


Indeed. It would be great if BioWare did a game where the player can actually build a full romance with a Companion, being able to kiss them and talk to them whenever they want to; the laces between them would be stronger and I'd enjoy the game more.

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Russalka wrote...

Beats me how two consenting adults doing what ever they want could be morally wrong. They hurt no one.

Still off-topic.


Weren't you the person that got pissed when people were mentioning other sexual relations that also had 2 consenting adults?

Yeah, thought so... :?

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Luna Siwora wrote...

Ciryx wrote...

I wouldnt mind if a Romance would continue after they had sex...
Sex is important yes, but the Romance should be a bit more included in the overall storyline after they are together, no? I would like to talk to my love about certain heavy decissions etc.

People are going crazy about romances, but why not use that and try to influence the player? That the LI for example opens shepard up for a different kind of view etc. To let romances carry some meaning. And not just being there for a sex scene.


Indeed. It would be great if BioWare did a game where the player can actually build a full romance with a Companion, being able to kiss them and talk to them whenever they want to; the laces between them would be stronger and I'd enjoy the game more.


I concur.

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ReconTeam wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...
Their actions were by choice. Being gay isn't.

We're still all waiting to hear what is morally wrong with gays though. 


Oh yes, because they just have to go around having sex with other men.
You know some think certain individuals are more inclined to become addicted to drugs or alcohol too. So is that genetic now?

I am not going to expand upon my beliefs, especially when it is against the rules here.


I seem to recall that I read somewhere that the inuits lacked a specific gene to deal proper with alcohol (I have no idea of the validty of the claim, though). So the basis for the arguments in regards to alcohol have certainly been made in the past.

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Ryzaki wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

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Black Raptor wrote...
Their actions were by choice. Being gay isn't.

We're still all waiting to hear what is morally wrong with gays though. 


Oh yes, because they just have to go around having sex with other men.
You know some think certain individuals are more inclined to become addicted to drugs or alcohol too. So is that genetic now?

I am not going to expand upon my beliefs, especially when it is against the rules here.


How is having sex with other men bad? And having some prediliction to things that cause trouble and pain isn't the same thing.


you cant reproduce. Posted Image


So I supposed birth control, condoms and spermicide is bad? 


According to the catholic church, yes.

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SalsaDMA wrote...

Since gene therapy is common in the ME universe, why does homosexuality even exist in the ME universe then? Considering that one of the primary concerns of humanity should be to expand and grow as a galactic species, having a 'genetic dead end' would seem counter to this objective.

If we seperate the genetic 'disorder' (word usage as intered by it being a genetic damper to hinder natural procreation of the species) from the affected people, just like we would seperate being blind from the affected people , why insist on what is arguably a curable genetic flaw in people? I'm fairly certain people wouldn't insist that blind people should be 'preserved' just to add variety and spice if it was possible to cure blindness.  Thus with the scientific revelations done in the ME universe, the whole issue seems a fad brought up by current day people wanting to get 'accepted' for what they are.


Have you ever heard of artificial insemination? If not, you should; it would make you stop thinking that a homosexual romance would be a "dead end". Also, there are tons of orphanages in the world (and I bet how there are also many in the ME Universe); kids can be adopted and not have the same sexual orientation as their parents.

By the way, Asari are only females. They can have babies. If a female Shepard wants to build a family with whomever she loves, she will be able to. Just as male Shepard. The sexuality doesn't matter; there are obstacles, but they can easily be broken.

And guys, please do try not misunderstand me. I know you will
regardless, as illustrated already by the hatefull postings done already
by the vocal people that flame anyone for even daring to comment in the
thread without being fully in agrteement with them, but read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png[/smilie]


Oh, the martyr feeling.

Gay people will abstract information from words the way they feel like. Asking them to understand your point of view is something, asking them to accept it... another thing.

You have the right to say what you like - everyone does. Again, sexuality isn't a choice, isn't something people can change. They were born like this and they will die like this... You can call it brain malfunction, you can call it something unholy - I am proud of being gay. All my characters are gay.

Deal with it.

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Cartims wrote...

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Jademoon121 wrote...
I can be denied housing or jobs in my own state and many others. We need to be a protected group until we're seen as people in the eyes of the law.


Really now? Your being denied jobs and housing because you gay or are you just being turned down and claim because it's your gay? Big difference. You have the same right as everybody else under the law.


I want to marry my girlfriend.....oooooo I dion't have the same rights do I...


I would wager it depends on type of bonds you are implying you want.

If it just the legal standards that follow other 'married' couples, there shouldn't be an issue.

If, however, you want to target a specific religion that has a doctrine for man and woman to be needed to procreate, then: No, you shouldn't be allowed to walk all over other peoples religion just because you want to parade in some sort of self-gratification where you abuse a faith you don't even believe in yourself.

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TheMarshal wrote...

I can see the elevator rides now...

*silence*
Tali: Cheater says what?
Shepard: What?
Tali: That's right...
Shepard: Damnit Tali!


Lol. that was a good one B)

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SalsaDMA wrote...

Since gene therapy is common in the ME universe, why does homosexuality even exist in the ME universe then? Considering that one of the primary concerns of humanity should be to expand and grow as a galactic species, having a 'genetic dead end' would seem counter to this objective.

If we seperate the genetic 'disorder' (word usage as intered by it being a genetic damper to hinder natural procreation of the species) from the affected people, just like we would seperate being blind from the affected people , why insist on what is arguably a curable genetic flaw in people? I'm fairly certain people wouldn't insist that blind people should be 'preserved' just to add variety and spice if it was possible to cure blindness.  Thus with the scientific revelations done in the ME universe, the whole issue seems a fad brought up by current day people wanting to get 'accepted' for what they are.


I am curious as to what makes you think that being gay or bi has an genetic background. And why you would consider it an handicap.

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SalsaDMA wrote...

Cartims wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...
I can be denied housing or jobs in my own state and many others. We need to be a protected group until we're seen as people in the eyes of the law.


Really now? Your being denied jobs and housing because you gay or are you just being turned down and claim because it's your gay? Big difference. You have the same right as everybody else under the law.


I want to marry my girlfriend.....oooooo I dion't have the same rights do I...


*snip*

If, however, you want to target a specific religion that has a doctrine for man and woman to be needed to procreate, then: No, you shouldn't be allowed to walk all over other peoples religion just because you want to parade in some sort of self-gratification where you abuse a faith you don't even believe in yourself.


Trust me, as her girlfriend I am 100% sure that she's not wanting to marry with me because she wants to be a... rebel.

And what if she did? Who are you to judge someone else's decision? You are not God. Therefore, you have absolutely no right to judge people over the fact of which part of the human body they like to kiss.

Modifié par Luna Siwora, 20 mai 2011 - 11:51 .


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SalsaDMA wrote...

Cartims wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...
I can be denied housing or jobs in my own state and many others. We need to be a protected group until we're seen as people in the eyes of the law.


Really now? Your being denied jobs and housing because you gay or are you just being turned down and claim because it's your gay? Big difference. You have the same right as everybody else under the law.


I want to marry my girlfriend.....oooooo I dion't have the same rights do I...


I would wager it depends on type of bonds you are implying you want.

If it just the legal standards that follow other 'married' couples, there shouldn't be an issue.

If, however, you want to target a specific religion that has a doctrine for man and woman to be needed to procreate, then: No, you shouldn't be allowed to walk all over other peoples religion just because you want to parade in some sort of self-gratification where you abuse a faith you don't even believe in yourself.


WTF Religion...get out of here with religion...I just wanna file joint taxes for the saving....preach to yourself religion, not me....

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SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...
Their actions were by choice. Being gay isn't.

We're still all waiting to hear what is morally wrong with gays though. 


Oh yes, because they just have to go around having sex with other men.
You know some think certain individuals are more inclined to become addicted to drugs or alcohol too. So is that genetic now?

I am not going to expand upon my beliefs, especially when it is against the rules here.


How is having sex with other men bad? And having some prediliction to things that cause trouble and pain isn't the same thing.


you cant reproduce. Posted Image


So I supposed birth control, condoms and spermicide is bad? 


According to the catholic church, yes.


And the Catholic Church rules the world, I take it. Hahahaha...