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And what if she did? Who are you to judge someone else's decision? You are not God. Therefore, you have absolutely no right to judge people over the fact of which part of the human body they like to kiss.
SalsaDMA wrote...
Cartims wrote...
ReconTeam wrote...
Jademoon121 wrote...
I can be denied housing or jobs in my own state and many others. We need to be a protected group until we're seen as people in the eyes of the law.
Really now? Your being denied jobs and housing because you gay or are you just being turned down and claim because it's your gay? Big difference. You have the same right as everybody else under the law.
I want to marry my girlfriend.....oooooo I dion't have the same rights do I...
I would wager it depends on type of bonds you are implying you want.
If it just the legal standards that follow other 'married' couples, there shouldn't be an issue.
If, however, you want to target a specific religion that has a doctrine for man and woman to be needed to procreate, then: No, you shouldn't be allowed to walk all over other peoples religion just because you want to parade in some sort of self-gratification where you abuse a faith you don't even believe in yourself.
The main problem being is that the human race today is ~7 billion strong. The vast majority of them are not gay and we have no problem with lack of people. In the future, that's still going to be the case.SalsaDMA wrote...
Thread moves too fast to keep up with what happens while one attends the real world.
Anyways, while wading through the posts I figured this line of comments needed a comment.
Asuming the 'it's in the genes' theory.
Since gene therapy is common in the ME universe, why does homosexuality even exist in the ME universe then? Considering that one of the primary concerns of humanity should be to expand and grow as a galactic species, having a 'genetic dead end' would seem counter to this objective.
If we seperate the genetic 'disorder' (word usage as intered by it being a genetic damper to hinder natural procreation of the species) from the affected people, just like we would seperate being blind from the affected people , why insist on what is arguably a curable genetic flaw in people? I'm fairly certain people wouldn't insist that blind people should be 'preserved' just to add variety and spice if it was possible to cure blindness. Thus with the scientific revelations done in the ME universe, the whole issue seems a fad brought up by current day people wanting to get 'accepted' for what they are.
It's a misnomer to connect present days acceptance with the ME futures possibility of it never being an issue to start with.
And guys, please do try not misunderstand me. I know you will regardless, as illustrated already by the hatefull postings done already by the vocal people that flame anyone for even daring to comment in the thread without being fully in agrteement with them, but read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote.
Modifié par HolyMoogle, 20 mai 2011 - 11:59 .
Black Raptor wrote...
The main problem being is that the human race today is ~7 billion strong. The vast majority of them are not gay and we have no problem with lack of people. In the future, that's still going to be the case.
Handicapped people don't want to be handicapped. Blind people would like to see. In a fair and equal society, there is no reason why gay people wouldn't want to be gay.
Why is it such a bad thing to want to be accepted for who you are?
Besides, some gay couples can have children and many others would still adopt.
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Indeed. I think colonist is too.Ciryx wrote...
Black Raptor wrote...
The main problem being is that the human race today is ~7 billion strong. The vast majority of them are not gay and we have no problem with lack of people. In the future, that's still going to be the case.
Handicapped people don't want to be handicapped. Blind people would like to see. In a fair and equal society, there is no reason why gay people wouldn't want to be gay.
Why is it such a bad thing to want to be accepted for who you are?
Besides, some gay couples can have children and many others would still adopt.
Yup! Also there seems to be an lot of Orphans etc. IIRC Shep "Earthborn" is one of these Orphans, no?
Luna Siwora wrote...
SalsaDMA wrote...
Since gene therapy is common in the ME universe, why does homosexuality even exist in the ME universe then? Considering that one of the primary concerns of humanity should be to expand and grow as a galactic species, having a 'genetic dead end' would seem counter to this objective.
If we seperate the genetic 'disorder' (word usage as intered by it being a genetic damper to hinder natural procreation of the species) from the affected people, just like we would seperate being blind from the affected people , why insist on what is arguably a curable genetic flaw in people? I'm fairly certain people wouldn't insist that blind people should be 'preserved' just to add variety and spice if it was possible to cure blindness. Thus with the scientific revelations done in the ME universe, the whole issue seems a fad brought up by current day people wanting to get 'accepted' for what they are.
Have you ever heard of artificial insemination? If not, you should; it would make you stop thinking that a homosexual romance would be a "dead end". Also, there are tons of orphanages in the world (and I bet how there are also many in the ME Universe); kids can be adopted and not have the same sexual orientation as their parents.
By the way, Asari are only females. They can have babies. If a female Shepard wants to build a family with whomever she loves, she will be able to. Just as male Shepard. The sexuality doesn't matter; there are obstacles, but they can easily be broken.And guys, please do try not misunderstand me. I know you will
regardless, as illustrated already by the hatefull postings done already
by the vocal people that flame anyone for even daring to comment in the
thread without being fully in agrteement with them, but read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png[/smilie]
Oh, the martyr feeling.
Gay people will abstract information from words the way they feel like. Asking them to understand your point of view is something, asking them to accept it... another thing.
You have the right to say what you like - everyone does. Again, sexuality isn't a choice, isn't something people can change. They were born like this and they will die like this... You can call it brain malfunction, you can call it something unholy - I am proud of being gay. All my characters are gay.
Deal with it.
Ciryx wrote...
SalsaDMA wrote...
Since gene therapy is common in the ME universe, why does homosexuality even exist in the ME universe then? Considering that one of the primary concerns of humanity should be to expand and grow as a galactic species, having a 'genetic dead end' would seem counter to this objective.
If we seperate the genetic 'disorder' (word usage as intered by it being a genetic damper to hinder natural procreation of the species) from the affected people, just like we would seperate being blind from the affected people , why insist on what is arguably a curable genetic flaw in people? I'm fairly certain people wouldn't insist that blind people should be 'preserved' just to add variety and spice if it was possible to cure blindness. Thus with the scientific revelations done in the ME universe, the whole issue seems a fad brought up by current day people wanting to get 'accepted' for what they are.
I am curious as to what makes you think that being gay or bi has an genetic background. And why you would consider it an handicap.
What's wrong with artificial?SalsaDMA wrote...
Artificial insemination is still that: Artificial.
And to use an oft used expression about treating stuff: it is treating the symptons and not the cause.
Much more effective to cut to the root of the issue if mutation of genes are the cause.
It's not just some people. Being gay is not something you have control over.SalsaDMA wrote...
Ciryx wrote...
SalsaDMA wrote...
Since gene therapy is common in the ME universe, why does homosexuality even exist in the ME universe then? Considering that one of the primary concerns of humanity should be to expand and grow as a galactic species, having a 'genetic dead end' would seem counter to this objective.
If we seperate the genetic 'disorder' (word usage as intered by it being a genetic damper to hinder natural procreation of the species) from the affected people, just like we would seperate being blind from the affected people , why insist on what is arguably a curable genetic flaw in people? I'm fairly certain people wouldn't insist that blind people should be 'preserved' just to add variety and spice if it was possible to cure blindness. Thus with the scientific revelations done in the ME universe, the whole issue seems a fad brought up by current day people wanting to get 'accepted' for what they are.
I am curious as to what makes you think that being gay or bi has an genetic background. And why you would consider it an handicap.
People saying being gay was something they were born with in this very thread.
Cartims wrote...
SalsaDMA wrote...
Cartims wrote...
ReconTeam wrote...
Jademoon121 wrote...
I can be denied housing or jobs in my own state and many others. We need to be a protected group until we're seen as people in the eyes of the law.
Really now? Your being denied jobs and housing because you gay or are you just being turned down and claim because it's your gay? Big difference. You have the same right as everybody else under the law.
I want to marry my girlfriend.....oooooo I dion't have the same rights do I...
I would wager it depends on type of bonds you are implying you want.
If it just the legal standards that follow other 'married' couples, there shouldn't be an issue.
If, however, you want to target a specific religion that has a doctrine for man and woman to be needed to procreate, then: No, you shouldn't be allowed to walk all over other peoples religion just because you want to parade in some sort of self-gratification where you abuse a faith you don't even believe in yourself.
WTF Religion...get out of here with religion...I just wanna file joint taxes for the saving....preach to yourself religion, not me....
Black Raptor wrote...
The main problem being is that the human race today is ~7 billion strong. The vast majority of them are not gay and we have no problem with lack of people. In the future, that's still going to be the case.SalsaDMA wrote...
Thread moves too fast to keep up with what happens while one attends the real world.
Anyways, while wading through the posts I figured this line of comments needed a comment.
Asuming the 'it's in the genes' theory.
Since gene therapy is common in the ME universe, why does homosexuality even exist in the ME universe then? Considering that one of the primary concerns of humanity should be to expand and grow as a galactic species, having a 'genetic dead end' would seem counter to this objective.
If we seperate the genetic 'disorder' (word usage as intered by it being a genetic damper to hinder natural procreation of the species) from the affected people, just like we would seperate being blind from the affected people , why insist on what is arguably a curable genetic flaw in people? I'm fairly certain people wouldn't insist that blind people should be 'preserved' just to add variety and spice if it was possible to cure blindness. Thus with the scientific revelations done in the ME universe, the whole issue seems a fad brought up by current day people wanting to get 'accepted' for what they are.
It's a misnomer to connect present days acceptance with the ME futures possibility of it never being an issue to start with.
And guys, please do try not misunderstand me. I know you will regardless, as illustrated already by the hatefull postings done already by the vocal people that flame anyone for even daring to comment in the thread without being fully in agrteement with them, but read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote.
Handicapped people don't want to be handicapped. Blind people would like to see. In a fair and equal society, there is no reason why gay people wouldn't want to be gay.
Why is it such a bad thing to want to be accepted for who you are?
Besides, some gay couples can have children and many others would still adopt.
HolyMoogle wrote...
re SalsaDMA's gene-therapy eradication of homosexuality.
You're starting to sound like some of the 20th century's most famous leaders regarding groups of people they didn't take a liking to.
Modifié par Russalka, 20 mai 2011 - 12:31 .
Like it has already been pointed out, artificial insemination is a viable option.SalsaDMA wrote...
Considering that the colonies are quite empty compared to Earth, the issue of expanding the numbers of the human species fast to not just be a 'roadbump' for other galactic civilazations is quite real.
In general like "all aliens bi"? Big fat no.Russalka wrote...
Off-topic.
More aliens as bisexual options.
yes/no
SalsaDMA wrote...
Feel free to actually read what I stated. If you just want the legal definition: No issue (it's even in the quote you quoted from me).
What being married constitues depends alot on the beliefs of people and 'what type of marriage' you participate in.
I've heard plenty of gay people claim they want the right to be married in a church, despite the church in question they ask to be married in has a doctrine against it. It is these cases where the right stops being a right and more a battering stick that is used against the right of other people to have their religion in peace without others trying to make a mockery of it.
Modifié par Ciryx, 20 mai 2011 - 12:37 .
Modifié par TriviaAeducan, 20 mai 2011 - 12:35 .
SalsaDMA wrote...
HolyMoogle wrote...
re SalsaDMA's gene-therapy eradication of homosexuality.
You're starting to sound like some of the 20th century's most famous leaders regarding groups of people they didn't take a liking to.
I resent that comment. And you are awfully close to Godwin the thread with your baseless acusation just because I am following the logic of what people state.
Modifié par HolyMoogle, 20 mai 2011 - 12:35 .
Black Raptor wrote...
What's wrong with artificial?SalsaDMA wrote...
Artificial insemination is still that: Artificial.
And to use an oft used expression about treating stuff: it is treating the symptons and not the cause.
Much more effective to cut to the root of the issue if mutation of genes are the cause.
And the thing is, it shouldn't even be an issue. There is nothing wrong with correcting a gene that causes blindness for example, but there is nothing wrong with being gay so why should it be eliminated?
SalsaDMA wrote...
Black Raptor wrote...
What's wrong with artificial?SalsaDMA wrote...
Artificial insemination is still that: Artificial.
And to use an oft used expression about treating stuff: it is treating the symptons and not the cause.
Much more effective to cut to the root of the issue if mutation of genes are the cause.
And the thing is, it shouldn't even be an issue. There is nothing wrong with correcting a gene that causes blindness for example, but there is nothing wrong with being gay so why should it be eliminated?
Let me reverse the question: It does nothing for the species either. People are respected as people wether or not they are gay. Why should it be kept then when it is damper for natural procreation? It doesn't grant anything to the people aside taking away the desire to procreate naturally.
If gene therapy is common, why are some nonbeneficial mutations considered desirable despite hindering natural evolution?
Modifié par Russalka, 20 mai 2011 - 12:41 .
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