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[tishyw]

Snowship wrote...

But I want them to take that mug of HTFU and create a gay/lesbian character, regardless of my creation choices, that John/Jane Doe will be only available to the same-sex.
Otherwise I just see it as pandering rather than creating. (as in: we will pander to this market by doing a minor change in code rather than respecting the community by writing a character just for them). <-- bolded for this is my main point, ie BI is pandering like they did with DA2, they didn't make a gay character, they just did the minimal amount possible to make it seem that way.
And if ppl don't like it they can STFU. (and say in-game convo "sorry, I'm not interested", you know like in real-life!)
(sorry, came on too strong, ppl just ignore it. Ignorance is bliss!)

I tend to agree with this, I'd love it if my femShep hit on a male squad-mate and was told "Sorry, I'm into guys."
That would be cool, and brave of Bioware.  Having half you're team being bi is lazy writing, and I haven't seen Bioware handle it well yet

I vote for ME1 style love scenes but a bit longer as well (and the Origin sex scene is much better if you download the "better sex scenes" mod).

Do we have any more details on how the s/s love interest is going to work, do we know if it's going to be new characters, old characters or both, or are we still just speculating wildly?

Modifié par tishyw, 20 mai 2011 - 02:03 .

[GameBoyish]

Erani wrote...

^ That's very good Aeducan.

I'd like to see scenes where Shep and LI discuss what they want for their relationship, future, goals, etc. Even if the Reaper threat is still there, doesn't hurt to make plans and share your dreams with each other. Actually, that'd serve as encouragement to try and off the Reapers, having something peaceful and beautiful to look forward to like setting up house or starting a family.<3

Thank you

And I agree with the romantic talk post-sex scene

[ElitePinecone]

tishyw wrote...

Do we have any more details on how the s/s love interest is going to work, do we know if it's going to be new characters, old characters or both, or are we still just speculating wildly?

No more information as of yet.

I'd be very surprised if we knew anything substantial for a while yet. Could be months, even, They didn't confirm the DA2 romances until the game had released, as far as I know. 

[Black Raptor]

Just because the same character is romanceable playing as either male or female shep doesn't mean that character is bi. You can't play as male and female at the same time, so the romanceable NPC is either gay or straight or undisclosed depending on how you play the game.

Tali in my femshep playthrough might not have the same sexual orientation in my male playthrough where I romanced her.
If she becomes a romance option for my femshep in ME3 doesn't mean she isn't straight in my male shep playthrough.

[Erani]

tishyw wrote...

Do we have any more details on how the s/s love interest is going to work, do we know if it's going to be new characters, old characters or both, or are we still just speculating wildly?

It's mostly speculation, except that there'll be new LIs and he/she might be a s/s LI. 
After C.Hudson confirmed the same-sex romance on twitter, lots of people were like "oh noes old characters are going to be retconed bi/gay!"...and so C.Hudson countered that was not necessarily true as there'd be new LIs. (check out first page of this thread) 

Modifié par Erani, 20 mai 2011 - 02:09 .

[tishyw]

Black Raptor wrote...

Just because the same character is romanceable playing as either male or female shep doesn't mean that character is bi. You can't play as male and female at the same time, so the romanceable NPC is either gay or straight or undisclosed depending on how you play the game.

Tali in my femshep playthrough might not have the same sexual orientation in my male playthrough where I romanced her.
If she becomes a romance option for my femshep in ME3 doesn't mean she isn't straight in my male shep playthrough.

Please, let's not re-hash this issue in this thread yet again!  I understand how it works and I think this thread has enough disharmony without you jumping on me because I simplified the concept for brevity.  Let's try to play nice and give each other a break!

[Black Raptor]

tishyw wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

Just because the same character is romanceable playing as either male or female shep doesn't mean that character is bi. You can't play as male and female at the same time, so the romanceable NPC is either gay or straight or undisclosed depending on how you play the game.

Tali in my femshep playthrough might not have the same sexual orientation in my male playthrough where I romanced her.
If she becomes a romance option for my femshep in ME3 doesn't mean she isn't straight in my male shep playthrough.

Please, let's not re-hash this issue in this thread yet again!  I understand how it works and I think this thread has enough disharmony without you jumping on me because I simplified the concept for brevity.  Let's try to play nice and give each other a break!

I'm just saying, I don't know why people are against old characters having new romance options. To me, there is no difference between this and the fact you're able to romance Tali and Garrus in ME2 but not in ME1. 

[Ashira Shepard]

Lenimph wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

I think Shep would be in a bind between missing his mini-me and 'ooh I got boobies'.

Boobies are funner to play with anyway 

Funbag Airbags

(I know this was several pages ago but I went to sleep with the window open.)

[wheelyjon]

Defiantly back to the style of Mass Effect 1 – If the Censors are that worried they should look at the tv and film market I’ve seen about the same level of bare skin content in 12A Films (which seems to be on a par with the 13 rating now on the game) DrBobcat is right it was sensual rather than sexual, personally I thought the new style was much cruder made me feel it was much more about the sexual attraction at the end of each scene, the old ones were mature in tone rather than content, I was slower well placed and well romantic it felt like the start of a loving relationship rather then the end of a three conversation arc (though I must admit the convocations were well written especially tali’s one garrus was abit sudden) the old ones felt like a love scene in a movie and was satisfying theres no other word for it.
And for a game with multiple endings it doesn’t seem to hard to have a parental locks (reading the consoles awn setting) so you have a dialogue and fade to black for kids and have the same style as ME1 after surly that shifts the weight of responsibly to the parents? I mean I saw a mum buying COD black ops for her 7/8 year old, shop worker had to tell the boy he couldn’t give the bad straight to him because of the rating the mother didn’t seem to care I stood there with my jaw on the floor, puts abit of blue skin into perspective no? lol( btw I hated the last bit of the sex scene in LotSB, the only bit I didn’t love, I thought the ‘black eye thing’ as joker put it was mystical and very different and its reduced to a reaction to a ‘pat’ on the bottom thats a little sad to be honest)
You could even do a lock like that for the S/S LI just say no on the gameplay screen at the start of the new game and it cuts the dialogue out, everyone ‘stays str8’ and Bioware avoid the back lash but promote fair treatment like they like too.
PS the S/S romance should not be locked by age, god knows at 14 It would have helped my head to see that S/S romance was an option see its no just about moaning or sex its about building a tolerant soc, and yes with game getting more and more entrenched in growing up they really do have a role to play. Though the ‘skin content’ should be limited just the same as str8 ones.
Does anyone think that is a viable or at least a good but unworkable idea?

[SalsaDMA]

Ciryx wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

For discussing mass effect sciences impact on the issue?

Go ahead if it makes you happy, although I fail to see the relevance.

The "issue" as you put it, is some made up BS you brought in here.
You are NOT discussing Mass Effect sciences, but use the context it provides to declare homosexuality a genetic defect that needs to be cured.

And that, you try to justify with "religion". 

So all you do, is spreading some hatespeech noone wants to hear on these forums disguised with an "lore friendly" mass effect background.

And that got you reportet, nothing else.

Again you are just reading what you want to read rather than what I actually write.

If anything, you're the one making hatespeeches instead of discussing what is in the actual games lore compared to what people are stating in a neutral tone.

[SalsaDMA]

HolyMoogle wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

Because, the detrimental effect of the lack of procreation amongst homosexuals is so small, its not worth bothering about.
Gay people like (or should like) being gay, so it is not a bad thing.

Truth be told, I would feel sorry for gay people if they didn't like being gays, so I had asumed as much about their feelings of being so. It isn't an inherently bad thing for people on a personal level (aside from the earlier comments we witnessed about perceived prosecutions), but on the macroscale the effect as a 'natural birth control mechanism' cannot be denied.

In present day it can actually be seen as a good thing, as it holds off the point of when earth will be overpopulated when a sizeable amount stops being naturally interested in procreation; but when the boundary of earths limitations is removed and a limitless galaxy is the 'next step', the effect becomes noticable.

Not when

A) Living standards have made children a lifestyle choice rather than a biological imperative
 Science allows all couples to have children

Did you even read what I wrote?

I doubt it.

[wheelyjon]

Black Raptor good idea which should be pointed out more, it is a story after all we are not dealing with real people here shock horror lol as long as they write it well so it fits the LI's personaly

[M-Sinistrari]

Black Raptor wrote...

I'm just saying, I don't know why people are against old characters having new romance options. To me, there is no difference between this and the fact you're able to romance Tali and Garrus in ME2 but not in ME1. 

I think it's part of the attachment that gets built with the characters in general.  When you figure how many hours we've all sunk into playing ME1 & 2, it's natural to get that attachment going.  We build up our own perceptions on the characters, so when there's a change of any sort being made, it's going to either be hailed to the heavens or derided with a raving froth.

With the latter, as seen from just us knocking around speculations in this thread, there can be a sense of being told 'You're interpreting the character wrong' which doesn't sit well with anyone.  The actuality is the characters are enough of a tabula rasa that everyone's interpretations are correct since we all fill in the blanks from our own world view to make our own game canon.

[Black Raptor]

wheelyjon wrote...

Defiantly back to the style of Mass Effect 1 – If the Censors are that worried they should look at the tv and film market I’ve seen about the same level of bare skin content in 12A Films (which seems to be on a par with the 13 rating now on the game) DrBobcat is right it was sensual rather than sexual, personally I thought the new style was much cruder made me feel it was much more about the sexual attraction at the end of each scene, the old ones were mature in tone rather than content, I was slower well placed and well romantic it felt like the start of a loving relationship rather then the end of a three conversation arc (though I must admit the convocations were well written especially tali’s one garrus was abit sudden) the old ones felt like a love scene in a movie and was satisfying theres no other word for it.
And for a game with multiple endings it doesn’t seem to hard to have a parental locks (reading the consoles awn setting) so you have a dialogue and fade to black for kids and have the same style as ME1 after surly that shifts the weight of responsibly to the parents? I mean I saw a mum buying COD black ops for her 7/8 year old, shop worker had to tell the boy he couldn’t give the bad straight to him because of the rating the mother didn’t seem to care I stood there with my jaw on the floor, puts abit of blue skin into perspective no? lol( btw I hated the last bit of the sex scene in LotSB, the only bit I didn’t love, I thought the ‘black eye thing’ as joker put it was mystical and very different and its reduced to a reaction to a ‘pat’ on the bottom thats a little sad to be honest)
You could even do a lock like that for the S/S LI just say no on the gameplay screen at the start of the new game and it cuts the dialogue out, everyone ‘stays str8’ and Bioware avoid the back lash but promote fair treatment like they like too.
PS the S/S romance should not be locked by age, god knows at 14 It would have helped my head to see that S/S romance was an option see its no just about moaning or sex its about building a tolerant soc, and yes with game getting more and more entrenched in growing up they really do have a role to play. Though the ‘skin content’ should be limited just the same as str8 ones.
Does anyone think that is a viable or at least a good but unworkable idea?

Paragraphs are your friend...

Having a toggle for s/s relationships implies that it should be kept hidden. 

You don't have to have any s/s romances if you don't pick the dialogue options. There is the only "toggle" that isn't offensive.

[Servo to the bitter end]

wheelyjon wrote...

Defiantly back to the style of Mass Effect 1 – If the Censors are that worried they should look at the tv and film market I’ve seen about the same level of bare skin content in 12A Films (which seems to be on a par with the 13 rating now on the game) DrBobcat is right it was sensual rather than sexual, personally I thought the new style was much cruder made me feel it was much more about the sexual attraction at the end of each scene, the old ones were mature in tone rather than content, I was slower well placed and well romantic it felt like the start of a loving relationship rather then the end of a three conversation arc (though I must admit the convocations were well written especially tali’s one garrus was abit sudden) the old ones felt like a love scene in a movie and was satisfying theres no other word for it.
And for a game with multiple endings it doesn’t seem to hard to have a parental locks (reading the consoles awn setting) so you have a dialogue and fade to black for kids and have the same style as ME1 after surly that shifts the weight of responsibly to the parents? I mean I saw a mum buying COD black ops for her 7/8 year old, shop worker had to tell the boy he couldn’t give the bad straight to him because of the rating the mother didn’t seem to care I stood there with my jaw on the floor, puts abit of blue skin into perspective no? lol( btw I hated the last bit of the sex scene in LotSB, the only bit I didn’t love, I thought the ‘black eye thing’ as joker put it was mystical and very different and its reduced to a reaction to a ‘pat’ on the bottom thats a little sad to be honest)
You could even do a lock like that for the S/S LI just say no on the gameplay screen at the start of the new game and it cuts the dialogue out, everyone ‘stays str8’ and Bioware avoid the back lash but promote fair treatment like they like too.
PS the S/S romance should not be locked by age, god knows at 14 It would have helped my head to see that S/S romance was an option see its no just about moaning or sex its about building a tolerant soc, and yes with game getting more and more entrenched in growing up they really do have a role to play. Though the ‘skin content’ should be limited just the same as str8 ones.
Does anyone think that is a viable or at least a good but unworkable idea?

No locks, no toggles. The ability to avoid objectionable content is already available.

It's an M rated game.

Modifié par TommyServo, 20 mai 2011 - 02:43 .

[SalsaDMA]

Black Raptor wrote...

Just because the same character is romanceable playing as either male or female shep doesn't mean that character is bi. You can't play as male and female at the same time, so the romanceable NPC is either gay or straight or undisclosed depending on how you play the game.

Tali in my femshep playthrough might not have the same sexual orientation in my male playthrough where I romanced her.
If she becomes a romance option for my femshep in ME3 doesn't mean she isn't straight in my male shep playthrough.

Oh please. No "Shep-centric" characters.

That argument for DA2 was one of the most artificial things I ever heard, especially as it took the art of writing emotional characters and threw it on the floor.

It cheapens the characters when they are treated with such a lack of care to detail, imo.

[Russalka]

Just ignore.

[tishyw]

Black Raptor wrote...

tishyw wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

Just because the same character is romanceable playing as either male or female shep doesn't mean that character is bi. You can't play as male and female at the same time, so the romanceable NPC is either gay or straight or undisclosed depending on how you play the game.

Tali in my femshep playthrough might not have the same sexual orientation in my male playthrough where I romanced her.
If she becomes a romance option for my femshep in ME3 doesn't mean she isn't straight in my male shep playthrough.

Please, let's not re-hash this issue in this thread yet again!  I understand how it works and I think this thread has enough disharmony without you jumping on me because I simplified the concept for brevity.  Let's try to play nice and give each other a break!

I'm just saying, I don't know why people are against old characters having new romance options. To me, there is no difference between this and the fact you're able to romance Tali and Garrus in ME2 but not in ME1. 

A - You have no idea what my view on including the old characters as same sex love interest is, so it was just a reflex attack on someone who used one word that made you decide that they might have a different opinion to you.

B - This argument had been done to death on this thread, we know where you stand, you don't need to keep bashing people over the head with it.  All that's doing is alienating people like me who are neutral about the whole thing!

You don't have to fight everyone, not all of us are atacking you're views.

[M-Sinistrari]

wheelyjon wrote...

Defiantly back to the style of Mass Effect 1 – If the Censors are that worried they should look at the tv and film market I’ve seen about the same level of bare skin content in 12A Films (which seems to be on a par with the 13 rating now on the game) DrBobcat is right it was sensual rather than sexual, personally I thought the new style was much cruder made me feel it was much more about the sexual attraction at the end of each scene, the old ones were mature in tone rather than content, I was slower well placed and well romantic it felt like the start of a loving relationship rather then the end of a three conversation arc (though I must admit the convocations were well written especially tali’s one garrus was abit sudden) the old ones felt like a love scene in a movie and was satisfying theres no other word for it.

And for a game with multiple endings it doesn’t seem to hard to have a parental locks (reading the consoles awn setting) so you have a dialogue and fade to black for kids and have the same style as ME1 after surly that shifts the weight of responsibly to the parents? I mean I saw a mum buying COD black ops for her 7/8 year old, shop worker had to tell the boy he couldn’t give the bad straight to him because of the rating the mother didn’t seem to care I stood there with my jaw on the floor, puts abit of blue skin into perspective no? lol( btw I hated the last bit of the sex scene in LotSB, the only bit I didn’t love, I thought the ‘black eye thing’ as joker put it was mystical and very different and its reduced to a reaction to a ‘pat’ on the bottom thats a little sad to be honest)
You could even do a lock like that for the S/S LI just say no on the gameplay screen at the start of the new game and it cuts the dialogue out, everyone ‘stays str8’ and Bioware avoid the back lash but promote fair treatment like they like too.

The flaw with having a parental control setting is for the most part parents won't use the control.

Sorry for going offtopic for the example, but it's a good one.

Many years back I used to work for Blockbuster Video and we had a parental viewing flag for accounts.  Just boiled down to anything R or with that sort of content would bring up a note on screen that such wasn't supposed to be rented to minors.  When we started the game rentals thing, corporate just had the game rating incorporated in so the mature content games would also flag up same as movies.

If I had a dollar for each time I ended up with a parent screaming at me over 'How DARE you not rent this game to my child!!!' I believe I could buy everyone in this thread fancy collector editions of ME3.  And trying to explain that a game had the same content as a movie the parent didn't want thier kids to see never went over well.

Essentially parents often have the perception that video games are for kids, kinda the same rational with comic books/graphic novels, and so when they face the reality that neither's a completely child oriented medium any more, you end up with the outcry of 'ZOMG think of the CHILDRENS!!1!'.  They would rather have someone else do the actual parenting and censoring content when they just as easily could read what the game ratings are and enact thier parental rights to say no to junior.

Though to be honest if one digs enough, video games were really never fully a child's medium.  I remember seeing some pretty smutty games available for the Atari 2600.

[SalsaDMA]

Russalka wrote...

Just ignore.

Thanks for showing clearly the openmindednes and desire to accept differing opinions<_<

[Erani]

Russalka wrote...

Just ignore.

+1 <3
Wonder how long we'll have to wait till info on new LIs comes out.

Edit: Everyone here has the right to ignore other people's posts and lurk in the shadows.

Modifié par Erani, 20 mai 2011 - 02:50 .

[Ciryx]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Again you are just reading what you want to read rather than what I actually write.

If anything, you're the one making hatespeeches instead of discussing what is in the actual games lore compared to what people are stating in a neutral tone.

Oh, I get what you might intend to say.
But you fail to see that your so called "logical" argument is terrible rude and implies a lot of ignorance. 

I understant your "logic" to cure a "disease" or to heal "crippled" people. 

You assume that natural procreation is the first and foremost duty of anyone in any race. Thats pure bull****, but maybe, lets stick with it. So, according to you, to keep that procreation up or rather as close to 100% as possible, you want to get rid of possible gay people via genetic manufacturing. 

But 1) Thing is, you imply with these statements that gay people are the result of a genetic defect, declareing them a failure. Its not offensive to say someones existence is a failure? Right.

2) If it would be indeed a genetical defect, evolution would have rid itself a long time ago from these "defects", since as you already stated gays cant reproduce naturally, and thus cant give there "defect" genes to their children.

So no, I am not reading what I want to read, but I read what you wrote. What ironically isnt what you intended to say, if you really thought about what you wrote. What you clearly did not, giving point 1) and point 2).

[SalsaDMA]

tishyw wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

tishyw wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

Just because the same character is romanceable playing as either male or female shep doesn't mean that character is bi. You can't play as male and female at the same time, so the romanceable NPC is either gay or straight or undisclosed depending on how you play the game.

Tali in my femshep playthrough might not have the same sexual orientation in my male playthrough where I romanced her.
If she becomes a romance option for my femshep in ME3 doesn't mean she isn't straight in my male shep playthrough.

Please, let's not re-hash this issue in this thread yet again!  I understand how it works and I think this thread has enough disharmony without you jumping on me because I simplified the concept for brevity.  Let's try to play nice and give each other a break!

I'm just saying, I don't know why people are against old characters having new romance options. To me, there is no difference between this and the fact you're able to romance Tali and Garrus in ME2 but not in ME1. 

A - You have no idea what my view on including the old characters as same sex love interest is, so it was just a reflex attack on someone who used one word that made you decide that they might have a different opinion to you.

B - This argument had been done to death on this thread, we know where you stand, you don't need to keep bashing people over the head with it.  All that's doing is alienating people like me who are neutral about the whole thing!

You don't have to fight everyone, not all of us are atacking you're views.

Didn't you know? Reflex attacks are the 'new black' in this thread.

[Russalka]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanks for showing clearly the openmindednes and desire to accept differing opinions<_<

Why should I have an open-mind for suggestions that I am wrong and these qualities I am only now learning to accept are something that should have been "fixed" in the future? 

Besides that, you are off-topic. You may have started from somewhere that is topical, but the more it is analysed the further from the topic it veers.

Clearly, it is not something that is a problem in the Mass Effect setting, else they would not consider making these options available in the game. What the hell is your point? 

Modifié par Russalka, 20 mai 2011 - 02:53 .

[Ashira Shepard]

SalsaDMA wrote...
Didn't you know? Reflex attacks are the 'new black' in this thread.

My face right now.