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[Sunnie]

This thread is both hilarious and extremely sad simultaneously. I see pages and pages and pages of arguments, all centered around personal beliefs of how straight these fictional characters are. In reality, there is plenty of content in the first 2 games to lead just about anyone to believe that almost all past squad members could be attracted to the same gender type/style (I'm not even going to use the term same sex, crickets and lizards and horny toads don't even begin to compare on the same level as humanoid species).

As long as the thread is full of ignorant homophobes, the arguments will never end.
Sad thread stays sad.

[Ashira Shepard]

rynluna wrote...
I would if his pecks turned into lady boobs.

But...that kind of conversation would require something equal as a result!

Oh my...

Btw you'll get a friend invitation from "Kailexanra" on youtube. Accept or I'll have to cry

[jlb524]

Luna Siwora wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

On topic: Who has the best body type for a s/s LI character? Not the character themselves, just the body type. For instance, would you rather have a m/m option with Jacob's body type, or Kaidan's? Miranda's, Jack's, or something in between?

Jacob's body type makes me giggle...no offense.  Kaidan is handsome.  I love all teh womens but I really love Kasumi's body type.

Kasumi's body FTW! I love it too. :3

Me three!

[ElitePinecone]

On a related note...

If Vega isn't a bisexual option (or, indeed, is a redshirt like Jenkins or Wilson - or Trask Ulgo *sniff*) what sort of new m/m character would people appreciate? Same for f/f?

Most of this thread that I've read has discussed old LIs, and I'd be interested to see what people think of possible new ones.

I'd prefer a character that wasn't a) an elf tormented/anguished/angsty/possessed and is c) emotionally stable enough to provide a rock for Shepard, and not the other way around. I mean, after three games or so you'd think the constant stress and pressures of command would be taking its toll.

[M-Sinistrari]

Sunnie22 wrote...

This thread is both hilarious and extremely sad simultaneously. I see pages and pages and pages of arguments, all centered around personal beliefs of how straight these fictional characters are. In reality, there is plenty of content in the first 2 games to lead just about anyone to believe that almost all past squad members could be attracted to the same gender type/style (I'm not even going to use the term same sex, crickets and lizards and horny toads don't even begin to compare on the same level as humanoid species).

As long as the thread is full of ignorant homophobes, the arguments will never end.
Sad thread stays sad.

I wouldn't say it's all a matter of people being ignorant, but just really thrown for a loop by what is a pretty big change in available options.  That we only have scant information the rest is filled with rampant speculation and as we've seen here on the forums, there is the trend to go into full panic rather than sit and ponder.

Some valid concerns as to handling have been brought up and we all do agree that the writing will have to be top notch and the dialog wheel be more clearly worded..  People are understandably nervous in light of how DA2 was handled, as well as how many did get ninjamanced already in ME1 and 2.

In the end, we won't know anything more until either Bioware says something definitive or we see how it all plays out in ME3.

[jeweledleah]

rynluna wrote...

TriviaAeducan wrote...

GIVE IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNN...............

I would if his pecks turned into lady boobs.

something like this?

http://a-stric.devia...aylor-208325267

as for new LI's - I would love it if they were written as characters first and romantic options second, with fully fleshed out freindship options and hopefuly not tortured or tragic. 

Modifié par jeweledleah, 20 mai 2011 - 04:20 .

[wheelyjon]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

wheelyjon wrote...

Defiantly back to the style of Mass Effect 1 – If the Censors are that worried they should look at the tv and film market I’ve seen about the same level of bare skin content in 12A Films (which seems to be on a par with the 13 rating now on the game) DrBobcat is right it was sensual rather than sexual, personally I thought the new style was much cruder made me feel it was much more about the sexual attraction at the end of each scene, the old ones were mature in tone rather than content, I was slower well placed and well romantic it felt like the start of a loving relationship rather then the end of a three conversation arc (though I must admit the convocations were well written especially tali’s one garrus was abit sudden) the old ones felt like a love scene in a movie and was satisfying theres no other word for it.

And for a game with multiple endings it doesn’t seem to hard to have a parental locks (reading the consoles awn setting) so you have a dialogue and fade to black for kids and have the same style as ME1 after surly that shifts the weight of responsibly to the parents? I mean I saw a mum buying COD black ops for her 7/8 year old, shop worker had to tell the boy he couldn’t give the bad straight to him because of the rating the mother didn’t seem to care I stood there with my jaw on the floor, puts abit of blue skin into perspective no? lol( btw I hated the last bit of the sex scene in LotSB, the only bit I didn’t love, I thought the ‘black eye thing’ as joker put it was mystical and very different and its reduced to a reaction to a ‘pat’ on the bottom thats a little sad to be honest)
You could even do a lock like that for the S/S LI just say no on the gameplay screen at the start of the new game and it cuts the dialogue out, everyone ‘stays str8’ and Bioware avoid the back lash but promote fair treatment like they like too.

The flaw with having a parental control setting is for the most part parents won't use the control.

Sorry for going offtopic for the example, but it's a good one.

Many years back I used to work for Blockbuster Video and we had a parental viewing flag for accounts.  Just boiled down to anything R or with that sort of content would bring up a note on screen that such wasn't supposed to be rented to minors.  When we started the game rentals thing, corporate just had the game rating incorporated in so the mature content games would also flag up same as movies.

If I had a dollar for each time I ended up with a parent screaming at me over 'How DARE you not rent this game to my child!!!' I believe I could buy everyone in this thread fancy collector editions of ME3.  And trying to explain that a game had the same content as a movie the parent didn't want thier kids to see never went over well.

Essentially parents often have the perception that video games are for kids, kinda the same rational with comic books/graphic novels, and so when they face the reality that neither's a completely child oriented medium any more, you end up with the outcry of 'ZOMG think of the CHILDRENS!!1!'.  They would rather have someone else do the actual parenting and censoring content when they just as easily could read what the game ratings are and enact thier parental rights to say no to junior.

Though to be honest if one digs enough, video games were really never fully a child's medium.  I remember seeing some pretty smutty games available for the Atari 2600.

ok so its not a good idea in the opion of this forum it was jus an idea for apeasement of all sides I thourght of that sec i was just thinking of games like 'Singles' (which i brought purely for the gay option idea) and it had a botton with go rainbow on pc but thanks guys (M-Sinistrari, TommyServo and Black Raptor)  that frist time i've had replies to my fouram comms .....even though i've been shot down in flames lol I have a big grin on my face lol ..... no really thanks again im really chuffed thank you x

[wheelyjon]

go raindow i loved that lol made me laugh and feel so nuaghty as i clicked it lol

[Ryzaki]

ElitePinecone wrote...

On a related note...

If Vega isn't a bisexual option (or, indeed, is a redshirt like Jenkins or Wilson - or Trask Ulgo *sniff*) what sort of new m/m character would people appreciate? Same for f/f?

Most of this thread that I've read has discussed old LIs, and I'd be interested to see what people think of possible new ones.

I'd prefer a character that wasn't a) an elf tormented/anguished/angsty/possessed and is c) emotionally stable enough to provide a rock for Shepard, and not the other way around. I mean, after three games or so you'd think the constant stress and pressures of command would be taking its toll.

I don't think he's a redshirt. He was confirmed to be a full squaddie in the same tweet as Garrus, Tali, VS, and Liara. 

And why is it everytime I leave the thread its awesome but come back and it's back to being s*****? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 mai 2011 - 04:23 .

[M-Sinistrari]

wheelyjon wrote...

ok so its not a good idea in the opion of this forum it was jus an idea for apeasement of all sides I thourght of that sec i was just thinking of games like 'Singles' (which i brought purely for the gay option idea) and it had a botton with go rainbow on pc but thanks guys (M-Sinistrari, TommyServo and Black Raptor)  that frist time i've had replies to my fouram comms .....even though i've been shot down in flames lol I have a big grin on my face lol ..... no really thanks again im really chuffed thank you x

It's more one of those things that sounds great in theory and looks wonderful on paper, but fails spectacularlly when enacted live.  Only time and education will make the change, and with the fact many who were kids gaming in the 90s now grown and having families of their own, I am confident that the change will happen.

[ipgd]

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't think he's a redshirt. He was confirmed to be a full squaddie in the same tweet as Garrus, Tali, VS, and Liara.

He could be Mhairi.

[Ashira Shepard]

ElitePinecone wrote...
I'd prefer a character that wasn't a) an elf tormented/anguished/angsty/possessed and is c) emotionally stable enough to provide a rock for Shepard, and not the other way around. I mean, after three games or so you'd think the constant stress and pressures of command would be taking its toll.

God yes.

From my RP perspective, Ash-Shepard is wearing a perpetual poker face. With a heaping dose of Heroic Self Deprecation among others.

If she survives the Reapers then; Shell-Shocked Veteran.

Fun times.

Someone come and save my poor Shepard, she doesn't like playing Hero all the time.

[RaenImrahl]

@SalsaDMA and others... a reminder (again) to please keep this discussion about the game. Let's avoid meandering down the wider paths of religion and genetics.

[GameBoyish]

rynluna wrote...

TriviaAeducan wrote...

GIVE IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNN...............

I would if his pecks turned into lady boobs.

Here you go :innocent:


EDIT: :ph34r:d by leah DAMNIT

Modifié par TriviaAeducan, 20 mai 2011 - 04:28 .

[Sunnie]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

This thread is both hilarious and extremely sad simultaneously. I see pages and pages and pages of arguments, all centered around personal beliefs of how straight these fictional characters are. In reality, there is plenty of content in the first 2 games to lead just about anyone to believe that almost all past squad members could be attracted to the same gender type/style (I'm not even going to use the term same sex, crickets and lizards and horny toads don't even begin to compare on the same level as humanoid species).

As long as the thread is full of ignorant homophobes, the arguments will never end.
Sad thread stays sad.

I wouldn't say it's all a matter of people being ignorant, but just really thrown for a loop by what is a pretty big change in available options.  That we only have scant information the rest is filled with rampant speculation and as we've seen here on the forums, there is the trend to go into full panic rather than sit and ponder.

Some valid concerns as to handling have been brought up and we all do agree that the writing will have to be top notch and the dialog wheel be more clearly worded..  People are understandably nervous in light of how DA2 was handled, as well as how many did get ninjamanced already in ME1 and 2.

In the end, we won't know anything more until either Bioware says something definitive or we see how it all plays out in ME3.

Herein lies the biggest problem. BioWare has a really poor track record with communicating with their customers. The DA team is a a bit better, but not by much. BioWare's MO generally tends to be that of "throwing out a couple hints and letting the community speculate it to death and tear itself apart".  I don't see other developers doing this, in fact, some of the biggest RPG franchises on the planet actually communicate well with their customers.

BioWare could put all of these arguments to rest just by giving a few details to sate the homophobes fears that their own sexuality is not at risk, but as usual, they will let the community stew and tear itself apart.

[wheelyjon]

ElitePinecone wrote...

On a related note...

If Vega isn't a bisexual option (or, indeed, is a redshirt like Jenkins or Wilson - or Trask Ulgo *sniff*) what sort of new m/m character would people appreciate? Same for f/f?

Most of this thread that I've read has discussed old LIs, and I'd be interested to see what people think of possible new ones.

I'd prefer a character that wasn't a) an elf tormented/anguished/angsty/possessed and is c) emotionally stable enough to provide a rock for Shepard, and not the other way around. I mean, after three games or so you'd think the constant stress and pressures of command would be taking its toll.

me too! a cute funny mr bingley crossed with action man half joking there but 
please come talk about it on my group 'Rainbow Space Hero's Last Stand' there is i dissusstion there for it everyone welcome

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't think he's a redshirt. He was confirmed to be a full squaddie in the same tweet as Garrus, Tali, VS, and Liara.

He could be Mhairi.

I don't think they ever said Mhari was a companion. She had a character trailer though. If BW rickrolls me like that again I will not be pleased. 

[Maugrim]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Now onto your other points.  The DA team isn't working on ME, and from what we've seen, that's a very good thing.  The ME team really hasn't dropped the ball (well, I do have some gripes about the Arrival DLC), so we can have good hopes that we'll again see some quality work from them for ME3.

The DA writing team is far and away better than ME team, especially when it comes to romances and characters but also in general.  And I say this as a geek who is heavily biased to favor sci-fi settings.  The DA writing team has simply been more stable, more in-tune/communicative with the fans and most importantly, in my not so humble opinion, more diverse.  I'd love it if the ME team could actually get close to their quality of romances.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 20 mai 2011 - 04:39 .

[massive_effect]

I've noticed that many sequels suffer from man's pride. That means they've had success on the original, and therefore think they can "do what they want" with the sequel, and still succeed.

Jade Empire was such an example. It was a personal project for Bioware. It was a failure on many levels.

They learned from that failure, and made Mass Effect. They took the best of what they learned from KOTOR, and appealed to gamer. They humbled themselves and gave us what we wanted. This was true for ME1 and ME2.

I'm not sure what happened here, in ME3.

Is the ss option an act of humilty or pride at Bioware?

[jlb524]

makenzieshepard wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Now onto your other points.  The DA team isn't working on ME, and from what we've seen, that's a very good thing.  The ME team really hasn't dropped the ball (well, I do have some gripes about the Arrival DLC), so we can have good hopes that we'll again see some quality work from them for ME3.

The DA writing team if far and away better than ME team, especially when it comes to romances and characters but also in general.  And I say this as a geek who is heavily biased to favor sci-fi settings.  The DA writing team has simply been more stable, more in-tune/communicative with the fans and most importantly, in my not so humble opinion, more diverse.  I'd love it if the ME team could actually get close to their quality of romances.

Werd.   DA romances far outshine the ME ones (which consist of 2 convos and then sex).

[M-Sinistrari]

makenzieshepard wrote...

The DA writing team is far and away better than ME team, especially when it comes to romances and characters but also in general.  And I say this as a geek who is heavily biased to favor sci-fi settings.  The DA writing team has simply been more stable, more in-tune/communicative with the fans and most importantly, in my not so humble opinion, more diverse.  I'd love it if the ME team could actually get close to their quality of romances.

I did like the romances in DAO, but as far as the rest of the writing, to me it did flop hard at points.  And from some of the interviews with them that I've seen, did kinda leave me flat.

But in the end, as long as we enjoy thier product, that's the important thing.

[Wygrath]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Wygrath wrote...

Please don't retcon previously straight characters into gay ones. Just make new characters if you want to shoe horn these ridiculously shallow and contrived "romance" options into your games.

It's gotten out of hand. The community seems more worried about these crappy romances than they are about the gameplay and story.

The narrative should dictate whether or not a character should be romancable. If it doesn't add to the narrative and help drive the story it's pointless. If you want to make a dating sim make a new game.

Don't shoehorn romance options into every character just for the sake of having them. The character suicide you guys had with Anders is a perfect example of what not to do. Homosexual options for Fenris seemed out of place as well. It didn't fit the character and seemed to just be forced in to have a Zevran proxy.

Mass Effect desrves to have it's integrity intact for the finale. Retconning existing characters is not the way to do that.

I do understand your concerns. And yes it does seem like all everyone's talking about is romances but at this point it's the only recent info we've got about ME3 at this point and come E3, we'll have new stuff to talk and speculate on.

Now onto your other points.  The DA team isn't working on ME, and from what we've seen, that's a very good thing.  The ME team really hasn't dropped the ball (well, I do have some gripes about the Arrival DLC), so we can have good hopes that we'll again see some quality work from them for ME3.

Romances are optional for the game, but do add that little human dimension so Shep has something closer to home so to speak that's worth fighting for.  As Mordin said, it's easy to lose one's perspective in the grand scope of things.

At this time there's been nothing definitively said from Bioware that without question they will be expanding established LIs to have s/s options.  All anyone's doing is speculating like a mad thing.  Their statement about no new LIs has since been repeatedly said was from old information and they've since changed thier stance on it.

For all we know it'll only be the new LIs who'll have the s/s option, and if they happen to decide to expand established LIs for s/s, that won't affect the choices you've already made for  your Shepards.  Only one who can change those is you.

I think we all share the opinion that if they do expand the established LI's options, that they'll ensure that there's quality writing to explain it, and give us a better worded dialog wheel so everyone's able to make sure they've make the right respective choices for thier Shepards.

That's a really optimistic outlook and I hope you are right, but the cynic in me can't help but feel "a nameless dread"  over all this. I've played through the ME games more than any other RPGs in the history of video games. That honor previously belonged to FF7.

To say that I would be put off by the altering of some of my favorite charcaters in gaming would be an understatement.

[utenanon]

XX55XX wrote...

This is a repost from my post in the Tali thread:

I personally do not disapprove of bisexuality or homosexuality in video games at all. Given the movement towards sexual emancipation over the past few decades in Western society, I think featuring bisexuality and homosexuality in a video game would rouse the least amount of controversy (given how this board loves everything BioWare), but the key issue here is that BioWare appears ready to ret-con the sexuality of many major characters - characters we are emotionally invested in - for the sake of satisfying this social zeitgeist that necessitates the portrayal of bisexuality and homosexuality in the media.

If Tali had been homosexual or bisexual to begin with, I see no issue. However, for BioWare to go out of their way to satisfy a minority of gamers on this board - breaking narrative continuity in process, is a very sad thing, and something which I wholeheartedly disapprove of.

The issue lies not in that some of us are uncomfortable with homosexuality or bisexuality (admittedly, a very small minority of us are), but in that ret-cons are the least satisfactory way of giving gamers of various sexual orientations "more options," so to speak.

They can easily make Joker homosexual. That new James Vega? He could be homosexual too. What about Kelly? Why not expand on her a bit? What about Mordin, Grunt, etc? They too could be homosexual. What Zaeed? BioWare has the option of giving gamers more options without ret-conning anyone.

In short, BioWare can satisfy everyone's desires very easily with new characters and not have to retcon anyone.

I don't remember any part in either of the games where any of the romanceable characters (or any, for that matter) outrightly say "I am a heterosexual and I have no interest in the same gender".

I might be forgetting it though, so in complete honesty, please, link me to a video or give me a quote where each romanceable character says something that conveys that exact sentiment. Or any of them. Or any character in the ME games.