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[Erani]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

utenanon wrote...I don't remember any part in either of the games where any of the romanceable characters (or any, for that matter) outrightly say "I am a heterosexual and I have no interest in the same gender".

I might be forgetting it though, so in complete honesty, please, link me to a video or give me a quote where each romanceable character says something that conveys that exact sentiment. Or any of them. Or any character in the ME games.

/Facepalm. So people have to outright say that they are a certain sexuality before people can accept who they are? One thing I do wonder is if the S/S people got the option to hit on a certain character but were turned down, would they be happy they at the very least got an option to ask, or would they be mad a character they were interested in turned them down.

/Facepalm.

No, they don't have to explain themselves or their sexuality, to anyone unless they want to.

but.

If the character's sexuality is unknown, then said character being bi or having s/s content in ME3 cannot by definition be considered a RETCON because the sexuality was never established in the first place. That you assume the character is straight is your prerogative, but you can't expect everyone to assume the same or the writers be limited by it.

In other words. If the writers never established that, let's say Tali or Garrus are straight, then when they do establish said sexuality at some point in time in some future game or whenever they want to, it wouldn't be a retcon. If you have any doubts, please look up what retcon means.

[AngelicMachinery]

Wygrath wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

One thing to keep in mind is that the devs see romances as optional things that are added simply to please fans, and don't care much about 'realism'.

If they did, why don't they include gay only companions? It's b/c of meta reasons...they don't want to limit options for heterosexual Shepards as more people do those types of romances. No one seems to complain about this 'pandering'....

I think this is lame though. I'm a heterosexual male and I'd use a gay male companion in my party if his personality was cool, he had good dialogue, and his voice actor was solid.

The fact that they are afraid to just create a character and have that charcater be who they are, unabashedly, unapologeticly just stinks. Do they think the fans can't accept that kind fo thing? No one else finds that kind of insulting?

It's not that some wouldn't use a gay companion,  it's the fact that a gay only romance option would only be used by a minority of players while a Bi option can be used by all.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Wygrath wrote...


I think this is lame though. I'm a heterosexual male and I'd use a gay male companion in my party if his personality was cool, he had good dialogue, and his voice actor was solid.

The fact that they are afraid to just create a character and have that charcater be who they are, unabashedly, unapologeticly just stinks. Do they think the fans can't accept that kind fo thing? No one else finds that kind of insulting?

Let's just say there's a reason this hit >200 pages in 3 days.

[Russalka]

Wygrath wrote...

C'mon, now. When you talk to someone you can pretty much tell in the first 10 minutes of the conversation, if not sooner, which team they're playing for without them saying so.

Subtle mannerisms and body language speak louder than words and are a helluva lot easier to read true.

How does one act straight? 

[Ashira Shepard]

Siansonea II wrote...
Pssst! That's only okay if it's something they want, which usually involves manly man manly stuff without teh Gay Homosexualz. 

What are you talking about? Teh Gayz is totally manly!

ALSO!

Take this.

I love that guy, and he makes a really good point.

[Siansonea]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

utenanon wrote...I don't remember any part in either of the games where any of the romanceable characters (or any, for that matter) outrightly say "I am a heterosexual and I have no interest in the same gender".

I might be forgetting it though, so in complete honesty, please, link me to a video or give me a quote where each romanceable character says something that conveys that exact sentiment. Or any of them. Or any character in the ME games.

/Facepalm. So people have to outright say that they are a certain sexuality before people can accept who they are? One thing I do wonder is if the S/S people got the option to hit on a certain character but were turned down, would they be happy they at the very least got an option to ask, or would they be mad a character they were interested in turned them down.

People seem to think that in order for a character to realistically be gay or bi, they have to "outright say it" or they're automatically straight. We're all just saying that's a load of poppycock. If you say nothing, people can draw their own conclusions. Sometimes those conclusions will be right, sometimes they will be wrong. But you can't close the book on it until there is an "I am straight!" or "I am gay!" or "I'm up for anything!" statement. 

I would love to have the option for Shepard to hit on somebody, and be shot down. That would be epic. Shepard has it way too easy as it is.

[Erani]

Russalka wrote...

Wygrath wrote...

C'mon, now. When you talk to someone you can pretty much tell in the first 10 minutes of the conversation, if not sooner, which team they're playing for without them saying so.

Subtle mannerisms and body language speak louder than words and are a helluva lot easier to read true.

How does one act straight? 

I'm pretty sure it means you can't sit down.

Edit: Or any position that is not standing up or standing straight. Also, no innuendo is intended.

Modifié par Erani, 20 mai 2011 - 05:08 .

[jlb524]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Wygrath wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

One thing to keep in mind is that the devs see romances as optional things that are added simply to please fans, and don't care much about 'realism'.

If they did, why don't they include gay only companions? It's b/c of meta reasons...they don't want to limit options for heterosexual Shepards as more people do those types of romances. No one seems to complain about this 'pandering'....

I think this is lame though. I'm a heterosexual male and I'd use a gay male companion in my party if his personality was cool, he had good dialogue, and his voice actor was solid.

The fact that they are afraid to just create a character and have that charcater be who they are, unabashedly, unapologeticly just stinks. Do they think the fans can't accept that kind fo thing? No one else finds that kind of insulting?

It's not that some wouldn't use a gay companion,  it's the fact that a gay only romance option would only be used by a minority of players while a Bi option can be used by all.

Exactly...given this style of game, they look to optimize options in the most efficient manner.  They do it with plenty of other things, not just romances.

[DJSurface]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
... while a Bi option can be used by all.

Oooooo... that sounds so... dirty!

Modifié par DJSurface, 20 mai 2011 - 05:12 .

[Black Raptor]

Playing as a femshep, there is nothing to suggest Tali has never considered s/s relationships.
Playing as a maleshep, there is nothing to suggest that Garrus wouldn't be up for it if you asked. (seeing as there is no stigma attached to it in Turian culture)

It's only in male playthroughs that you get to see Tali choosing a dude. Having her a s/s relationship for femsheps in ME3 wouldn't be retconning anything. Tali couldnt have a s/s relationship in ME3 if you're playing as a maleshep.

[Maugrim]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Pssst! That's only okay if it's something they want, which usually involves manly man manly stuff without teh Gay Homosexualz. 

What are you talking about? Teh Gayz is totally manly!

ALSO!

Take this.

I love that guy, and he makes a really good point.

So if two girls then...would that be doubly straight and sissy? 

[M-Sinistrari]

Wygrath wrote...
I think this is lame though. I'm a heterosexual male and I'd use a gay male companion in my party if his personality was cool, he had good dialogue, and his voice actor was solid.

The fact that they are afraid to just create a character and have that charcater be who they are, unabashedly, unapologeticly just stinks. Do they think the fans can't accept that kind fo thing? No one else finds that kind of insulting?

When you cut it all down to the bare bones, it's one of those things where you don't know how it'll end up panning out until it goes live.  Looking at the stereotype of a gamer, it's a straight white male in thier teens or early 20s, so anything outside that marketing perameter's considered a risk.  Hell, look at the mess that's games marketed towards females.  Even when I was younger, playing something with princess dressup and the such never appealed to me.

With Bioware, they did take risks which with each success has allowed them to get a better handle on thier customers and continue to evolve thier product.  Very easily it could've backfired, but the point is that it didn't.

I look at it as a very damn good thing that Bioware's acknowledging that the fanbase is larger than the old sterotype demographic and hopefully other companies will break out of the rut they're in.  But all of that takes time regardless of how much we wish otherwise.

[mopotter]

Russalka wrote...

Wygrath wrote...

C'mon, now. When you talk to someone you can pretty much tell in the first 10 minutes of the conversation, if not sooner, which team they're playing for without them saying so.

Subtle mannerisms and body language speak louder than words and are a helluva lot easier to read true.

How does one act straight? 

 Lets see, if your straight you can't enjoy a musical unless it has "hot" girls in skimpy costumes and you have to love football where guys slap each other on the butt.  And if your a women, well they don't count because two girls are cool.  
Wygrath's comment s is one of the silliest things I've head. Maybe it's a joke. I worked with a guy who was gay and had quite a few girls hitting on him because people don't have signs on them saying I'm gay or lesbian.   

[jlb524]

Black Raptor wrote...

Playing as a femshep, there is nothing to suggest Tali has never considered s/s relationships.
Playing as a maleshep, there is nothing to suggest that Garrus wouldn't be up for it if you asked. (seeing as there is no stigma attached to it in Turian culture)

It's only in male playthroughs that you get to see Tali choosing a dude. Having her a s/s relationship for femsheps in ME3 wouldn't be retconning anything. Tali couldnt have a s/s relationship in ME3 if you're playing as a maleshep.

That's completely true...in my game, there's absolutely positively zero indication that Tali likes dudes at all.

My FemShep is starting to wonder about her

[M-Sinistrari]

mopotter wrote...

 Lets see, if your straight you can't enjoy a musical unless it has "hot" girls in skimpy costumes and you have to love football where guys slap each other on the butt. 

So, what would that make my fiance?  He does enjoy football when the Packers are playing (raised in chedderhead country), but is able to sing several tunes from Sweeny Todd?

[Maugrim]

jlb524 wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

Playing as a femshep, there is nothing to suggest Tali has never considered s/s relationships.
Playing as a maleshep, there is nothing to suggest that Garrus wouldn't be up for it if you asked. (seeing as there is no stigma attached to it in Turian culture)

It's only in male playthroughs that you get to see Tali choosing a dude. Having her a s/s relationship for femsheps in ME3 wouldn't be retconning anything. Tali couldnt have a s/s relationship in ME3 if you're playing as a maleshep.

That's completely true...in my game, there's absolutely positively zero indication that Tali likes dudes at all.

My FemShep is starting to wonder about her

Has your femshep glanced at Tali's shadowbroker dossier?

[Ryzaki]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

mopotter wrote...

 Lets see, if your straight you can't enjoy a musical unless it has "hot" girls in skimpy costumes and you have to love football where guys slap each other on the butt. 

So, what would that make my fiance?  He does enjoy football when the Packers are playing (raised in chedderhead country), but is able to sing several tunes from Sweeny Todd?

He's one of those illusive bisexuals!

Run RUN FOR THE HILLS!

  

Really though that's some fail logic.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 mai 2011 - 05:28 .

[AngelicMachinery]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

mopotter wrote...

 Lets see, if your straight you can't enjoy a musical unless it has "hot" girls in skimpy costumes and you have to love football where guys slap each other on the butt. 

So, what would that make my fiance?  He does enjoy football when the Packers are playing (raised in chedderhead country), but is able to sing several tunes from Sweeny Todd?

Bi obviously,  or possibly had a goth phase?

[M-Sinistrari]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

So, what would that make my fiance?  He does enjoy football when the Packers are playing (raised in chedderhead country), but is able to sing several tunes from Sweeny Todd?

Bi obviously,  or possibly had a goth phase?

Definitely no gothness from him.  He's more like Weird Al in the White and Nerdy video.

So...potential bi in denial?