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[Siansonea]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...Most straight guys I know heard this news and said "Don't care. Have you heard if Miranda is coming back?":wizard:

Or started grumbling that the news just added more playthroughs they had to get ready for the changes come ME3.

Well, no self-respecting straight man would role-play as a gay character, would he? Oh wait, they would. Because it's, you know, a video game. I play male characters all the time, and somehow I don't grow a penis, so I'm thinking that these options are pretty free of side effects.

[GameBoyish]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...


As long as the thread is full of ignorant homophobes, the arguments will never end.

This is the sort of holier-than-thou attitude I complained about yesterday.

Please do not make the mistake that dissent towards the inclusion of bi characters is the same thing as homophobia.

Then what is it? What is the issue?

"You're ruining straight people!  Tali,  Garrus,  and all the rest are super straight you are breaking them!"

I never did understand this issue AT ALL. Bi Anders was fine as well. IMHO if it wasn't mentioned that they were strictly straight then it should be fine.

*wants my Tali or Jack lesbian love*

[Servo to the bitter end]

The first justification they used was "retcon!" While I don't think this is necessarily the case, I would accept it as a valid concern. Then when Casey tweeted that they would be adding new LIs, it became "Well, Shepard's never been gay." It was telling. Basically, they're uncomfortable with it for some reason, even when there's nothing contradictory whatsoever in it's implementation, and they're couching this in "concern for story." Wereparrot especially, was grasping at straws.

Modifié par TommyServo, 20 mai 2011 - 06:18 .

[GameBoyish]

Siansonea II wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...Most straight guys I know heard this news and said "Don't care. Have you heard if Miranda is coming back?":wizard:

Or started grumbling that the news just added more playthroughs they had to get ready for the changes come ME3.

Well, no self-respecting straight man would role-play as a gay character, would he? Oh wait, they would. Because it's, you know, a video game. I play male characters all the time, and somehow I don't grow a penis, so I'm thinking that these options are pretty free of side effects.

I remember there was a great review by a straight male gamer who enjoyed the writing of Anders' gay romance...

[GameBoyish]

TommyServo wrote...

The first justification they used was "retcon!" While I don't think this is necessarily the case, I would accept it. Then when Casey tweeted that they would be adding new LIs, it became "Well, Shepard's never been gay." It was telling. Basically, they're uncomfortable with it for some reason, even when there's nothing contradictory whatsoever in it's implementation. Wereparrot especially, was grasping at straws.

*facepalm*

[M-Sinistrari]

Siansonea II wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...


As long as the thread is full of ignorant homophobes, the arguments will never end.

This is the sort of holier-than-thou attitude I complained about yesterday.

Please do not make the mistake that dissent towards the inclusion of bi characters is the same thing as homophobia.

What would you call it? Seriously, you guys should hire Charlie Sheen to do your PR.

We get a one-line tweet from Casey Hudson saying "hey, s/s options in ME3!" and you guys spend this much energy saying NO!!!!!!!...and it's not homophobia? It's something-phobia. We can call it something more specific, like two-dudes-doing-each-other-phobia or something like that. Semantics.

Panicking for little to no reason works, if after realizing that this is all in the discussion stage and we've come  up with some good solid plans for potential implimentation they're still outraged, then we can go to something harsher.

[Wereparrot]

CaptainIsabela wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...


As long as the thread is full of ignorant homophobes, the arguments will never end.

This is the sort of holier-than-thou attitude I complained about yesterday.

Please do not make the mistake that dissent towards the inclusion of bi characters is the same thing as homophobia.

Then what is it? What is the issue?

I wash my hands of this thread. I am not repeating myself again; if you want to know my arguments against this development please go back to around pages 160-180 I think. But I tell you now that I have not made homophobic comments, so to claim that the entire case against this issue is homophobic and this thread is full of homophobes is ignorant in itself.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, no self-respecting straight man would role-play as a gay character, would he? Oh wait, they would. Because it's, you know, a video game. I play male characters all the time, and somehow I don't grow a penis, so I'm thinking that these options are pretty free of side effects.

This is me.

To date, I haven't really been able to finish an MShep run all the way through both games (mostly because Jen Hale is my girlfriend). The addition of a m/m option - hopefully as well done as Anders in DA2, ideally -  would make me revisit this. Especially if they unlocked Kaidan. He's one of my favorite characters, and he's pretty much it for my primary FShep.

Modifié par TommyServo, 20 mai 2011 - 06:16 .

[Wereparrot]

Siansonea II wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...


As long as the thread is full of ignorant homophobes, the arguments will never end.

This is the sort of holier-than-thou attitude I complained about yesterday.

Please do not make the mistake that dissent towards the inclusion of bi characters is the same thing as homophobia.

What would you call it? Seriously, you guys should hire Charlie Sheen to do your PR.

We get a one-line tweet from Casey Hudson saying "hey, s/s options in ME3!" and you guys spend this much energy saying NO!!!!!!!...and it's not homophobia? It's something-phobia. We can call it something more specific, like two-dudes-doing-each-other-phobia or something like that. Semantics.

It's called reasoned arguement.

[JetsoverEverything]

the whole lot of you need to stop crying and fighting over s video game already.

[Erani]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

How do you think the reconciliation between Shepard and the VS will turn out to be? "alright the alliance put us together again but I still don't like it, you Cerberus tool" way or something more like "Oh Shepard I'm so sorry now I see how wrong I was" way? Also, should it be different depending on whether or not Shepard romanced him/her?

Intriguing question.

I think there'll be several factors.  Romanced, cheated on, whether you paragon/renegaded them.

The cheating factor might be the most important one. If you didn't cheat on them, most likely he/she will be happy to be reunited with you and give Shep a chance to explain how everything went down with Cerberus. If Shep did cheat, I think they'll be pissed. I wouldn't be surprised if they ask Shep to give them some time to think about the betrayal and whatnot.
The decision at the end of ME2 (keep base or not) might also have an impact on the romance. 

[Wereparrot]

CaptainIsabela wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...


As long as the thread is full of ignorant homophobes, the arguments will never end.

This is the sort of holier-than-thou attitude I complained about yesterday.

Please do not make the mistake that dissent towards the inclusion of bi characters is the same thing as homophobia.

Then what is it? What is the issue?

I wash my hands of this thread. I am not repeating myself again; if you want to know my arguments against this development please go back to around pages 160-180 I think. But I tell you now that I have not made homophobic comments, so to claim that the entire case against this issue is homophobic and this thread is full of homophobes is ignorant in itself.

Denial. If one wants to romance a same sexed character why can they not have that choice? That is phobia against the ******'s

And now you see why I wash my hands of this thread.

[PlumPaul93]

There is some holier-than-thou attitude in this thread. I think it's fair to say you don't want characters to be made bi if your worried that they'll change the character of a character. If they do it right it could work but if not...

[M-Sinistrari]

Erani wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Intriguing question.

I think there'll be several factors.  Romanced, cheated on, whether you paragon/renegaded them.

The cheating factor might be the most important one. If you didn't cheat on them, most likely he/she will be happy to be reunited with you and give Shep a chance to explain how everything went down with Cerberus. If Shep did cheat, I think they'll be pissed. I wouldn't be surprised if they ask Shep to give them some time to think about the betrayal and whatnot.
The decision at the end of ME2 (keep base or not) might also have an impact on the romance. 

Ooh, I forgot about the base decision.  Yeah, that'd definitely have some impact.  And now that I think on it, some of the sidequests like with the Cerberus data might figure in too.

[Erani]

Wereparrot wrote...

And now you see why I wash my hands of this thread.

I'm sorry, the only thing I see if off-topic.

[Wereparrot]

CaptainIsabela wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...


As long as the thread is full of ignorant homophobes, the arguments will never end.

This is the sort of holier-than-thou attitude I complained about yesterday.

Please do not make the mistake that dissent towards the inclusion of bi characters is the same thing as homophobia.

Then what is it? What is the issue?

I wash my hands of this thread. I am not repeating myself again; if you want to know my arguments against this development please go back to around pages 160-180 I think. But I tell you now that I have not made homophobic comments, so to claim that the entire case against this issue is homophobic and this thread is full of homophobes is ignorant in itself.

Denial. If one wants to romance a same sexed character why can they not have that choice? That is phobia against the ******'s

And now you see why I wash my hands of this thread.

You wash your hands because you don't want to address why we should not have the same options? Seems that way.

Have you read my posts from yesterday? No? Run along and do that then, if you wish to continue this discussion.

[M-Sinistrari]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

There is some holier-than-thou attitude in this thread. I think it's fair to say you don't want characters to be made bi if your worried that they'll change the character of a character. If they do it right it could work but if not...

And that's an understandable concern that we all agree that IF they do expand existing LIs options, it has to be handled with some very good writing and a more clearly worded dialog wheel.  Key thing is that it's still a big *if*.

Throw in the rigamarole about DA2 and some well done image hoaxes allegedly coming from Bioware devs and it's understandable for folks to think it's going to all take one hell of a downturn.

[J. Finley]

It's pretty crazy up in here.

[TheMarshal]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

There is some holier-than-thou attitude in this thread. I think it's fair to say you don't want characters to be made bi if your worried that they'll change the character of a character. If they do it right it could work but if not...

What about their character do you believe will change if they are open to/have had s/s romances in the past but are in a heterosexual relationship at the present?  I highly doubt you're expecting Garrus to go mincing about the Normandy wearing a fantastically over-the-top ascot and talking about theatre...

[Erani]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Erani wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Intriguing question.

I think there'll be several factors.  Romanced, cheated on, whether you paragon/renegaded them.

The cheating factor might be the most important one. If you didn't cheat on them, most likely he/she will be happy to be reunited with you and give Shep a chance to explain how everything went down with Cerberus. If Shep did cheat, I think they'll be pissed. I wouldn't be surprised if they ask Shep to give them some time to think about the betrayal and whatnot.
The decision at the end of ME2 (keep base or not) might also have an impact on the romance. 

Ooh, I forgot about the base decision.  Yeah, that'd definitely have some impact.  And now that I think on it, some of the sidequests like with the Cerberus data might figure in too.

Maybe the genophage decision too? Also, if you saved your crew, they might like that. 

[Siansonea]

Wereparrot wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...


As long as the thread is full of ignorant homophobes, the arguments will never end.

This is the sort of holier-than-thou attitude I complained about yesterday.

Please do not make the mistake that dissent towards the inclusion of bi characters is the same thing as homophobia.

Then what is it? What is the issue?

I wash my hands of this thread. I am not repeating myself again; if you want to know my arguments against this development please go back to around pages 160-180 I think. But I tell you now that I have not made homophobic comments, so to claim that the entire case against this issue is homophobic and this thread is full of homophobes is ignorant in itself.

Okay, take care. Wear a sweater. We all know where you stand, and if you want to claim that you're not homophobic, you're free to self-identify as such. I suggest using the phrase "I'm not homophobic, but..." whenever possible, just so people are really, really clear on what a not-homophobe you are.