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[FKA_Servo]

SennenScale wrote...

I want a shotgun-toting, turian female vanguard with a penchant for Bond one liners and total respect for the rules. Someone who represents normal turian lawfulness.

This would be great.

On an unrelated note, I'm still worried that femKrogan and femTurians won't exist (Salarians too, but there's no reason why we haven't seen a single Turian female, considering how ubiquitous they are).

[Black Raptor]

Erani wrote...

I'm of the opinion that if someone can show me where in ME1 or ME2 Garrus/Tali/Kaidan/Ashley's sexual orientation is stated, then I'll agree that having those characters have any other orientation in ME3 would be defined as a retcon. Otherwise, it is just a case of the writers furthering their personal story so that certain things about themselves are not revealed till ME3.

And...No. Kaidan having been in love with some girl before ME1 is not "proof" that he is straight. There'd be nothing wrong with assuming that he is, actually it'd be a pretty logical assumption. This, however, does not mean that it is a fact.

The way ME1 played out leads to the assumption that Ash is for male sheps and Kaiden is for femsheps. Eden Prime with the beacon exploding for example. 
It's not specifically stated, but everyone is led to believe that both are straight. Hence it would be a minor retcon for these characters methinks.

I don't think it would be for ME2 LIs though. 

[PlumPaul93]

Eromenos wrote..."Worrying about changing the character" here is just a popular euphemism for old-fashioned homophobia. If the characters are allowed to become bisexual, then they're instantly trash in your view. No good. Filth. Someone else's toy. Everyone else's toy.

i.e., they would no longer be specifically tailored for just your type, and such a lack of exclusivity/segregation undermines you to the point where everytime you look on some long-beloved pixels, it's as if the world's gone to hell.

It would be simpler if you faced up to the fact that much of the time your beloved in ME/DA/KOTOR/JE already happens to be many other people's toys at the same time that they're with you. Oh, but the majority of those interactions are str8 interactions. Easier for you to tolerate! The toy is playing by the rules. Yet if they become open to S/S, then the competition will have heated up faster than you would've allowed. The game definitely has changed.

I like you for helpfully pointing out this feeding frenzy inspired by the S/S development in ME3. This here is something actually worth doing instead of the stereotypical recycled crap in most people's "games."

what in the world are you rambling about.

[Erani]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

So assuming that there is a new female character who will become bisexual LI...what do we want from her?

TBH I'm not sure what I'd like to see that isn't really already covered in some way but the other female characters. Miranda is the femme fatale, Ashley is the grunt bff, Tali is the engineer with a schoolgirl crush, Jack is the crazy ****....anything else seems like it would have to overlap in someone territory.

So that means you'll still whine if not every character listed is made gay. Okay got it.

Man, you are losing it. Makenzie is just giving some examples.Chill.

[Siansonea]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

So assuming that there is a new female character who will become bisexual LI...what do we want from her?

TBH I'm not sure what I'd like to see that isn't really already covered in some way but the other female characters. Miranda is the femme fatale, Ashley is the grunt bff, Tali is the engineer with a schoolgirl crush, Jack is the crazy ****....anything else seems like it would have to overlap in someone territory.

So that means you'll still whine if not every character listed is made gay. Okay got it.

Just out of curiosity—I'm asking all the opposition—can I put you down as "not buying ME3 because of m/m content" or "buying ME3 in spite of m/m content"? I just want to get a sense of how many people are actually going to pass on the game altogether, rather than simply dislike an aspect of it.

[SennenScale]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

So assuming that there is a new female character who will become bisexual LI...what do we want from her?

TBH I'm not sure what I'd like to see that isn't really already covered in some way but the other female characters. Miranda is the femme fatale, Ashley is the grunt bff, Tali is the engineer with a schoolgirl crush, Jack is the crazy ****....anything else seems like it would have to overlap in someone territory.

So that means you'll still whine if not every character listed is made gay. Okay got it.

Or that we'd like something fresh instead of treading the same old tired ground.

[PlumPaul93]

Russalka wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
So that means you'll still whine if not every character listed is made gay. Okay got it.

And I thought the thread residents were the only ones blamed for putting words in other's mouths.

I can't do the exact same? That seems to be what every person here does, so why not just join in.

[JetsoverEverything]

lol the homophobia arguement is gettin old bring some new **** to the table.
or dont talk about it at all.

[Russalka]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
I can't do the exact same? That seems to be what every person here does, so why not just join in.

Do name some occasions.

[Russalka]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

lol the homophobia arguement is gettin old bring some new **** to the table.
or dont talk about it at all.

What? Having a "strong and deep issue" with male to male romance, which doesn't even have to be taken part of, just the content sitting in the game making a person not buy it, is not homophobia? 

Modifié par Russalka, 20 mai 2011 - 07:57 .

[SennenScale]

TheMarshal wrote...

SennenScale wrote...
I want a shotgun-toting, turian female vanguard with a penchant for Bond one liners and total respect for the rules. Someone who represents normal turian lawfulness.

I'll have what he's having.  (Or she, tough to be sure...)

She, but it's cool. I get that a lot.

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

I can't do the exact same? That seems to be what every person here does, so why not just join in.

If
you want to claim we're being bad, doing exactly what you think we
are doing would make you a total hypocritce, for the record.

TommyServo wrote...
On an unrelated note, I'm still worried
that femKrogan and femTurians won't exist (Salarians too, but there's no
reason why we haven't seen a single Turian female, considering how
ubiquitous they are).

I'm hoping Bioware will give us at least one example each, just to sate curiosity, and there has been threads about it.

[Black Raptor]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

lol the homophobic arguements are gettin old bring some new **** to the table.
or dont talk about it at all.

fixed

[Erani]

TommyServo wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

I want a shotgun-toting, turian female vanguard with a penchant for Bond one liners and total respect for the rules. Someone who represents normal turian lawfulness.

This would be great.

On an unrelated note, I'm still worried that femKrogan and femTurians won't exist (Salarians too, but there's no reason why we haven't seen a single Turian female, considering how ubiquitous they are).

I think that since we'll most likely get to visit the Turan and Salarian planets, there's a  chance of seeing Femturians and femsalarians there. I mean, the reapers are coming, we'll need all the help we can get. I have high hopes.

[Eromenos]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Eromenos wrote..."Worrying about changing the character" here is just a popular euphemism for old-fashioned homophobia. If the characters are allowed to become bisexual, then they're instantly trash in your view. No good. Filth. Someone else's toy. Everyone else's toy.

i.e., they would no longer be specifically tailored for just your type, and such a lack of exclusivity/segregation undermines you to the point where everytime you look on some long-beloved pixels, it's as if the world's gone to hell.

It would be simpler if you faced up to the fact that much of the time your beloved in ME/DA/KOTOR/JE already happens to be many other people's toys at the same time that they're with you. Oh, but the majority of those interactions are str8 interactions. Easier for you to tolerate! The toy is playing by the rules. Yet if they become open to S/S, then the competition will have heated up faster than you would've allowed. The game definitely has changed.

I like you for helpfully pointing out this feeding frenzy inspired by the S/S development in ME3. This here is something actually worth doing instead of the stereotypical recycled crap in most people's "games."

what in the world are you rambling about.

There, there. Don't worry your little head about it.

[PlumPaul93]

Russalka wrote...Do name some occasions.

Well I'd say this is putting words in other peoples mouths.

makenzieshepard wrote...At the very least ExtremeOne is honest and doesn't try to hide their homophobia behind some fake pretense.  Thanks for that at least!  I honestly prefer it to those who obfuscate.

[AngelicMachinery]

Russalka wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

lol the homophobia arguement is gettin old bring some new **** to the table.
or dont talk about it at all.

What? Having a "strong and deep issue" with male to male romance, which doesn't even have to be taken part of, just the content sitting in the game making not buy it, is not homophobia? 

It'll give their other games the gay,  I know it can happen.  I had Dragon Age 2 sitting next Xenosaga 3 and Jin and Ziggy started well you know.  

[jeweledleah]

we saw fem krogans. well maybe not details, but judging by a certain loyalty mission, they just look like smaller version of male Krogans

[Erani]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Russalka wrote...Do name some occasions.

Well I'd say this is putting words in other peoples mouths.

makenzieshepard wrote...At the very least ExtremeOne is honest and doesn't try to hide their homophobia behind some fake pretense.  Thanks for that at least!  I honestly prefer it to those who obfuscate.

Dude, where is your name mentioned there? I see ExtremeOne's name...or are you defending Extreme? I don't get it, Extreme (in case you haven't noticed) can defend him/herself well enough.

[Russalka]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Well I'd say this is putting words in other peoples mouths.

The person refuses to buy the game because of male homosexual content he doesn't have to pursue! What the hell is that, if not homophobia? 

[AngelicMachinery]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Russalka wrote...Do name some occasions.

Well I'd say this is putting words in other peoples mouths.

makenzieshepard wrote...At the very least ExtremeOne is honest and doesn't try to hide their homophobia behind some fake pretense.  Thanks for that at least!  I honestly prefer it to those who obfuscate.

The whole gay chicks are okay while having a deep dislike of gay males is pretty homophobic man.  

[PlumPaul93]

Erani wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Russalka wrote...Do name some occasions.

Well I'd say this is putting words in other peoples mouths.

makenzieshepard wrote...At the very least ExtremeOne is honest and doesn't try to hide their homophobia behind some fake pretense.  Thanks for that at least!  I honestly prefer it to those who obfuscate.

Dude, where is your name mentioned there? I see ExtremeOne's name...or are you defending Extreme? I don't get it, Extreme (in case you haven't noticed) can defend him/herself well enough.

uuh read " is honest and doesn't try to hide their homophobia behind some fake pretense. Thanks for that at least! I honestly prefer it to those who obfuscate". It might not have said my name but it infered that anyone who disagrees with her viewpoint is a homophobe. But just because she agress with things you do shes right .

[Erani]

jeweledleah wrote...

we saw fem krogans. well maybe not details, but judging by a certain loyalty mission, they just look like smaller version of male Krogans

I've always expected FemKrogans and FemTurians to look pretty much just like the Male versions, just a bit smaller and in the turians' case, less muscle. FemSalarians, I bet look 100% the same.