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[Abispa]

You know what REALLY gets me? REALLY? We've spent 229 pages arguing about a feature that will probably be less than 10 minutes of game time, in an epic shoot'em up that should be well over 24 hours! Even if Bioware gives in to my insane demands, I'm going to feel cheated. Maybe they can cater to use LI obsessed players by, oh, I don't know, having Shepard's LI felicitate him/her during those dog-damn planet scanning sequences. Sorry, but us console players are going to get to most out of that feature since WE have the vibrating controllers while you PC people just have to stroke your keys.

[Abispa]

You know what REALLY gets me? REALLY? We've spent 229 pages arguing about a feature that will probably be less than 10 minutes of game time, in an epic shoot'em up that should be well over 24 hours! Even if Bioware gives in to my insane demands, I'm going to feel cheated. Maybe they can cater to use LI obsessed players by, oh, I don't know, having Shepard's LI felicitate him/her during those dog-damn planet scanning sequences. Sorry, but us console players are going to get to most out of that feature since WE have the vibrating controllers while you PC people just have to stroke your keys.

EDIT: Double post. Forum is REALLY slow right now.

Modifié par Abispa, 21 mai 2011 - 12:18 .

[Madi]

DJSurface wrote...

Madi wrote...
Whether or not they considered it for ME1 and ME2 is moot because ultimately they did not include it so it couldn't have been their policy at that time.

EDIT: that was mean of me, sorry.

Anyway, I'll try to lay it out one more time then I'm off to the gym.

Bioware desides at some point to include s/s options to the romance subplots of the games.
As each game comes along, they dicede to include it or not.
KOTOR, no.
Jade Empire, yes.
Mass Effect, no.
DA:O, yes.
ME2, no.
DA2, yes.
ME3, yes.
SWOR, can you even romance NPCs in that ?

Obviously I know no more than you do as we are not Bioware staff, but from my point of view, and working in software development being exposed to cut features all the time, I can easily seeing this as a case by case call.

Well that is certainly a possiblity and a contrast of your earlier assessment that it has been their official policy since Jade Empire. It may very well be a case to case kind of deal but at this point I just have the feeling that it's now become official policy . Of course I can't know that for sure as it's just speculation on my part but most of the discussion on these boards is rooted in speculation

[Abispa]

@ yorkj86 -- Dammit!

[RetroActiv]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

Madi wrote...

As long as they don't go laughably improbable "everyone is bi" route I don't really care that much. Although I do find it interesting that it seems Bioware's new policy is the mandatory inclusion of at least several gay/bi party members to facilitate a homosexual romance for each gender. This goes beyond the player's personal choice because it inherently involves other NPCs.

That's basically how I feel about it. Even a mandatory 1 female/ 1 male gay option is improbable for every scenereo but making everyone bisexual e.g Dragon Age 2 stretches improbability to the limit. I really really hope they don't go that route again. 

It's not as improbable as you think,  I was rather certain most social circles have at least a couple of people who don't embrace the heteronormative life style.  Besides,  it's not like these games are meant to be taken as 100% realistic in the first place.  Besides allowing all players an oppurtinity at deeper character action is important, and if things bend probability just a tad it doesn't particularly matter.

Not sure what a "heteronormative life style" IS (is that even a real word?) but ultimately I think if it gets to the point to where various characters  exist simply to meet a mandatory and improbable homosexual romance quota that it will cheapen the overall experience for everyone. I'm sure pleanty will disagree but that's my take on it. 

[Abispa]

RetroActiv wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

Madi wrote...

As long as they don't go laughably improbable "everyone is bi" route I don't really care that much. Although I do find it interesting that it seems Bioware's new policy is the mandatory inclusion of at least several gay/bi party members to facilitate a homosexual romance for each gender. This goes beyond the player's personal choice because it inherently involves other NPCs.

That's basically how I feel about it. Even a mandatory 1 female/ 1 male gay option is improbable for every scenereo but making everyone bisexual e.g Dragon Age 2 stretches improbability to the limit. I really really hope they don't go that route again. 

It's not as improbable as you think,  I was rather certain most social circles have at least a couple of people who don't embrace the heteronormative life style.  Besides,  it's not like these games are meant to be taken as 100% realistic in the first place.  Besides allowing all players an oppurtinity at deeper character action is important, and if things bend probability just a tad it doesn't particularly matter.

Not sure what a "heteronormative life style" IS (is that even a real word?) but ultimately I think if it gets to the point to where various characters  exist simply to meet a mandatory and improbable homosexual romance quota that it will cheapen the overall experience for everyone. I'm sure pleanty will disagree but that's my take on it. 

If ME humans have learned to appreciate having sex with aliens (not just Asari), it's only natural to assume that even your "average" ME human may not be unwilling to engage in a romantic situation with a human of the same gender if they've already have a strong emotional relationship. Many human societies have had simlar open-minded attitudes in the past, it isn't unreasonable that such an attitude couldn't exist in the future.

[PMC65]

Abispa wrote...

I'm going to demand a Shepard's Suicide Squad mass orgy before the big end battle. It will add to my immersion. Oh, in passing, I hope the battles are cool too. Can't wait to find out what my Awesome Button will do.

Are you trying to get my Shepards killed? They are not dating individuals who believe in "sharing" and as soon as someone else even hints a "come hither" BAM!!!!!!

[Erani]

PMC65 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I'm going to demand a Shepard's Suicide Squad mass orgy before the big end battle. It will add to my immersion. Oh, in passing, I hope the battles are cool too. Can't wait to find out what my Awesome Button will do.

Are you trying to get my Shepards killed? They are not dating individuals who believe in "sharing" and as soon as someone else even hints a "come hither" BAM!!!!!!

That's so scary! 

P.S. Heteronormativity is a word.

Modifié par Erani, 21 mai 2011 - 12:57 .

[Abispa]

@ PMC65 -- In ME3, Shepard will master the art of INDOCTRINATION!

[Abispa]

I prefer the word "heteroflexible" myself.

[PMC65]

Erani wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I'm going to demand a Shepard's Suicide Squad mass orgy before the big end battle. It will add to my immersion. Oh, in passing, I hope the battles are cool too. Can't wait to find out what my Awesome Button will do.

Are you trying to get my Shepards killed? They are not dating individuals who believe in "sharing" and as soon as someone else even hints a "come hither" BAM!!!!!!

That's so scary! 

P.S. Heteronormativity is a word.

So is Alektorophobia .... Hi Tali!

[GameBoyish]

rynluna wrote...

TriviaAeducan wrote...

AGREED!

I love you!
I think I'm totally going to make a FemShep in ME3 that resembles Gaga and has her attitude.

Thank you I am a huge fan of Gaga as well

For you, I shall link to you some DA2 girl-on-girl GIFs by yours truly if you haven't seen them already

http://catmonroe88.d...abela-207496996

http://catmonroe88.d...-Minx-206978513

Oh Aveline, how Indra Hawke (pictured in Avatar) pines for your love

Really hoping for Tali and Jack as bi options *prays*

[PMC65]

Abispa wrote...

@ PMC65 -- In ME3, Shepard will master the art of INDOCTRINATION!

If only that were true!

[RetroActiv]

Abispa wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

RetroActiv wrote...

Madi wrote...

As long as they don't go laughably improbable "everyone is bi" route I don't really care that much. Although I do find it interesting that it seems Bioware's new policy is the mandatory inclusion of at least several gay/bi party members to facilitate a homosexual romance for each gender. This goes beyond the player's personal choice because it inherently involves other NPCs.

That's basically how I feel about it. Even a mandatory 1 female/ 1 male gay option is improbable for every scenereo but making everyone bisexual e.g Dragon Age 2 stretches improbability to the limit. I really really hope they don't go that route again. 

It's not as improbable as you think,  I was rather certain most social circles have at least a couple of people who don't embrace the heteronormative life style.  Besides,  it's not like these games are meant to be taken as 100% realistic in the first place.  Besides allowing all players an oppurtinity at deeper character action is important, and if things bend probability just a tad it doesn't particularly matter.

Not sure what a "heteronormative life style" IS (is that even a real word?) but ultimately I think if it gets to the point to where various characters  exist simply to meet a mandatory and improbable homosexual romance quota that it will cheapen the overall experience for everyone. I'm sure pleanty will disagree but that's my take on it. 

If ME humans have learned to appreciate having sex with aliens (not just Asari), it's only natural to assume that even your "average" ME human may not be unwilling to engage in a romantic situation with a human of the same gender if they've already have a strong emotional relationship. Many human societies have had simlar open-minded attitudes in the past, it isn't unreasonable that such an attitude couldn't exist in the future.

I don't don't know. Given that society in real life has been a lot  less uneasy about the idea of human relations with humanoid aliens e.g. Star Trek. and that there has been little to no indication that human society has an ancient Rome take on sexuality in the Mass Effect universe. 

[lolwut666]

Suddenly, James Vega makes a lot of sense.

[GameBoyish]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

The first justification they used was "retcon!" While I don't think this is necessarily the case, I would accept it as a valid concern. Then when Casey tweeted that they would be adding new LIs, it became "Well, Shepard's never been gay." It was telling. Basically, they're uncomfortable with it for some reason, even when there's nothing contradictory whatsoever in it's implementation, and they're couching this in "concern for story." Wereparrot especially, was grasping at straws.

     



It is a retcon but I can deal with it by not buying ME 3 . This is a case of fan service is more important than creating Shepard's story.  But how dare you talk down to us that have a legit issue with this content being added to the game .  Shepard was straight in both games unless you include Liara but she does not matter she is a stupid alien .  They lost a ME 3 player in me and I will never buy any of their games again . 

Weren't you not buying the game anywhere?  What with cerberus being evulz?

    







The story of ME 3 was something that I could have over looked and just went with it . But this issue is something that I do not like at all .  

K. Thanks for playing. We'll let you know how ME3 turns out. Buh-bye!

(because not buying a game because someone else could play a Gay Shepard is perfectly reasonable.)

    




I never said I was not buying it because someone else could play as a character who loves the same sex. 
I am not buying it because of the content in the game . Even though it is optional its stil content with in the game. I have no problem with female and female sex . I do have a strong and deep issue with male and male sex. That is why I am refusing to by this game . 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:O

Double standards, hurrah.

[Siansonea]

I've been away for awhile, do we have any more "I'm not gonna buy ME3 because of teh gay!!!" proclamations? I really do want to keep track. I see we've got a new batch of folks fighting for the exclusion-of-non-mandatory-optional-content-not-aimed-at-their-demographic-and-not-replacing-content-they-prefer. Hmmm, you know that's kind of a mouthful, they need a catchier name, anybody got any ideas?

[Erani]

lolwut666 wrote...

Suddenly, James Vega makes a lot of sense.

LOL, how so 666?:happy:

Edit: @Sian, no honey, so far no new claims.

Modifié par Erani, 21 mai 2011 - 01:17 .

[Abispa]

@ RetroActiv -- While your average civilian or planet bound citizen hasn't had a chance to show there attitudes toward sex, the spacers and citizens of Illium and Omega show a very open attitude toward sex between aliens. As for homosexuality, it hasn't been explored between males, true, but where you see a "recon," many of us see it as filling in the blanks.

Kaidan may inclined to heterosexuality, but his intense "losing you was like losing an arm" speech on Horizon did give some indication that he may be willing to explore a deeper relationship with Shepard.

Tali may have been ready to jump into the sack quickly with male Shepard, but her conversations with female Shepard did seem to indicated that the thought of being intimate with female Shepard had at least crossed her mind.

The Garrus "recon" was particularly well done, in my opinion. He never even considered having sex with Shepard until she brought it up because he never before considered aliens sexually attractive. But he discovered he loved Shepard. Such an explanation could apply to most of Shepard's squad.

And like I said before, I'm probably not going to see any of the male/male romances play out myself, unless my girlfriend shows me or I get curious and check out YouTube, but there are a lot of players on this forum who are happy that Bioware has dropped the hypocrisy and catered to fans of gay male romances as well as straights and "lesbians" (Gee, I wonder why THEY were allowed?).

I am happy for them, unless ME3 is just one big dating simulator. I mean, romances are cool and all, but I want to be able to kill things in new and interesting ways.

[lolwut666]

@yorkj86

I agree.

If there seems to be more homosexual people today than there were in the past, it's because they can openly assume their orientation today, not because more people are turning gay.

If more people started to become homosexual as homosexuality becomes more accepted, then humanity would be in trouble, because soon there would not be enough people procreating to sustain a viable population.

[Blacklash93]

I saw a scan of an OXM article that had a character render I've never seen before...

The caption doesn't mention Vega, but it's very possible it could be him. It could also be Kaiden, as he's wearing the exact same armor and has similar hair, but the face is significantly different.

[PMC65]

Siansonea II wrote...

I've been away for awhile, do we have any more "I'm not gonna buy ME3 because of teh gay!!!" proclamations? I really do want to keep track. I see we've got a new batch of folks fighting for the exclusion-of-non-mandatory-optional-content-not-aimed-at-their-demographic-and-not-replacing-content-they-prefer. Hmmm, you know that's kind of a mouthful, they need a catchier name, anybody got any ideas?

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?

[Golden Owl]

ExtremeOne wrote...



I never said I was not buying it because someone else could play as a character who loves the same sex. 
I am not buying it because of the content in the game . Even though it is optional its stil content with in the game. I have no problem with female and female sex . I do have a strong and deep issue with male and male sex. That is why I am refusing to by this game . 

WHAT!!!........Now your just being a complete douche....what is your problem?........With your take on this, maybe I should be ragingly offended at ME1....As a definiate hetro woman, I should be livid about Liara assuming my femShep would be into a bit of female on female action?.......I have no wish to partake....given the fact that she and her ideas are also pushed on me. Oh, but wait, I realize different strokes for different folks is what makes the world go around....Seriously, get over yourself....your argument is offensive, not the s/s options in ME3.