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[lolwut666]

Personally, I think it's great news that ExtremeOne won't be buying the game.

Next step, maybe he'll stop posting here altogether.

Hooray for same sex romance.

[Abispa]

@ Golden Owl -- From the ExtremeOne's quote, he is either an dense hypocrite or he trolling. Stop feeding him and leave him under the bridge. It worked on me.

[GameBoyish]

I noticed Joker has become a popular bi choice

Need banners:)

[Erani]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

I noticed Joker has become a popular bi choice

Need banners:)

Yes, any of you creative and artistic fellows pleez make one?<3

[paptschik]

Abispa wrote...

@ RetroActiv -- While your average civilian or planet bound citizen hasn't had a chance to show there attitudes toward sex, the spacers and citizens of Illium and Omega show a very open attitude toward sex between aliens. As for homosexuality, it hasn't been explored between males, true, but where you see a "recon," many of us see it as filling in the blanks.

And THIS is a major factor. How we view the characters. We don't want our views to be the wrong ones, that's logical and understandable. I don't want Tali, Garrus and Joker to be anything but straight because that's how I view them by now. Many want them to be bi and I can see why they'd want that (and it has less to do with things that happened in the past and more to do with...they just like these characters and want them available, which makes sense of course).
So, since in terms of NPCs there will most likely be a definitive canon (if they were revealed bi I could pretend they aren't in my games, but if I were to ever mention that on the boards, logically, everyone would again remind me that my ME canon is wrong because it would only be correct for them to be bi in every version, because unlike Shepard I have no control over those other characters), one can only hope to be lucky enough that the personal preferences will be the ones that will prevail. In the end with these things it IS purely a matter of "luck", because how people want to view which characters differs from person to person.

[PMC65]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

I noticed Joker has become a popular bi choice

Need banners:)

It would seem ... I am worried about my little frail body friend.

[MACharlie1]

lolwut666 wrote...

@yorkj86

I agree.

If there seems to be more homosexual people today than there were in the past, it's because they can openly assume their orientation today, not because more people are turning gay.

If more people started to become homosexual as homosexuality becomes more accepted, then humanity would be in trouble, because soon there would not be enough people procreating to sustain a viable population.

Dude. We're already overpopulated. A theory that homosexuality develops when the population needs to dwindle it's numbers. 

[Abispa]

Homosexuals can still have children.

While a man and a woman being "soul mates" is the ideal today, in the past most marriages were arranged and "romantic love" was discouraged, although I'm sure many couples did manage to find mutual love in some form. Children were part of a couple's responsibility to their society.

In Sparta and Assyria, men had close personal relationships, often sexual, and women were regarded almost as functional to magnificent creatures men had to have sex with in order to create children.

Here in my apartment building, my gay neighbors have worked out a deal with a lesbian couple to have children through artificial means. It kind of takes the fun out of things, but to each there own.

Needless to say, I doubt that even if homosexuals "took over," we'd still have humans being born. But I seriously doubt that the total homosexual population will ever become even a large minority of the population.

[Ashira Shepard]

Blacklash93 wrote...

http://www.gameblurb...oset-and-into…/

Check out this gem of an article. The ignorance, paranoia, and excuses surrounding this issue astound me.

Well, no other real response to that delightful little piece of writing other than...



Seriously, I've said this in my blog.

The Rambling Geek wrote...

Secondly, if FemShep isn’t a lesbian for being with Liara because she’s mono-gendered, therefore by your logic not a female – then WTF is ManShep for sleeping with her? He’s certainly not straight if Liara isn’t a female.

[paptschik]

MACharlie1 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

@yorkj86

I agree.

If there seems to be more homosexual people today than there were in the past, it's because they can openly assume their orientation today, not because more people are turning gay.

If more people started to become homosexual as homosexuality becomes more accepted, then humanity would be in trouble, because soon there would not be enough people procreating to sustain a viable population.

Dude. We're already overpopulated. A theory that homosexuality develops when the population needs to dwindle it's numbers. 

Or...maybe more people in general just means more homosexuals in general as well? That would be my guess.

[Golden Owl]

Abispa wrote...

@ Golden Owl -- From the ExtremeOne's quote, he is either an dense hypocrite or he trolling. Stop feeding him and leave him under the bridge. It worked on me.

Very true Abispa...my apologies....he just really pressed my buttons on that one...

[Aniki_21]

yorkj86 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

If ME humans have learned to appreciate having sex with aliens (not just Asari), it's only natural to assume that even your "average" ME human may not be unwilling to engage in a romantic situation with a human of the same gender if they've already have a strong emotional relationship. Many human societies have had simlar open-minded attitudes in the past, it isn't unreasonable that such an attitude couldn't exist in the future.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but you seem to be saying that in a progressive society, there will be more bisexuals and homosexuals.  If sexual orientation is biological, it should be proportional, as it is now, unless biology itself is changing.  The difference, however, is that people aren't afraid of expressing their homosexuality/bisexuality.  Those people you mention being more open-minded, must have already been homosexual/bisexual.

Sexuality isn't strictly a biological issue as environvental factors play a significant part. Society's attitude towards sexuality plays a huge role in the types of sexual behavior people engage in. During certain periods in ancient rome it was pretty standard for older men to engage in sexual activity with adolescent males. It was a part of the culture.

[MACharlie1]

paptschik wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

@yorkj86

I agree.

If there seems to be more homosexual people today than there were in the past, it's because they can openly assume their orientation today, not because more people are turning gay.

If more people started to become homosexual as homosexuality becomes more accepted, then humanity would be in trouble, because soon there would not be enough people procreating to sustain a viable population.

Dude. We're already overpopulated. A theory that homosexuality develops when the population needs to dwindle it's numbers. 

Or...maybe more people in general just means more homosexuals in general as well? That would be my guess.

Or just that. I'm not a scientist and really shouldn't be talking about sciences in any capacity other then criminal behavior. 

[paptschik]

Abispa wrote...

Homosexuals can still have children.

Yeah, but you can't have them suddenly realize they're pregnant, so no rom-com potential there and isn't that what really matters?

No it's not and I don't know why I brought that up.

[Zulmoka531]

paptschik wrote...

Abispa wrote...

@ RetroActiv -- While your average civilian or planet bound citizen hasn't had a chance to show there attitudes toward sex, the spacers and citizens of Illium and Omega show a very open attitude toward sex between aliens. As for homosexuality, it hasn't been explored between males, true, but where you see a "recon," many of us see it as filling in the blanks.

And THIS is a major factor. How we view the characters. We don't want our views to be the wrong ones, that's logical and understandable. I don't want Tali, Garrus and Joker to be anything but straight because that's how I view them by now. Many want them to be bi and I can see why they'd want that (and it has less to do with things that happened in the past and more to do with...they just like these characters and want them available, which makes sense of course).
So, since in terms of NPCs there will most likely be a definitive canon (if they were revealed bi I could pretend they aren't in my games, but if I were to ever mention that on the boards, logically, everyone would again remind me that my ME canon is wrong because it would only be correct for them to be bi in every version, because unlike Shepard I have no control over those other characters), one can only hope to be lucky enough that the personal preferences will be the ones that will prevail. In the end with these things it IS purely a matter of "luck", because how people want to view which characters differs from person to person.

I like the way you think.

[Ashira Shepard]

paptschik wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Homosexuals can still have children.

Yeah, but you can't have them suddenly realize they're pregnant, so no rom-com potential there and isn't that what really matters?

No it's not and I don't know why I brought that up.

Tv Tropes would like a word with you...that Wizard would too.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 21 mai 2011 - 01:49 .

[DJSurface]

Madi wrote...
Well that is certainly a possiblity and a contrast of your earlier assessment that it has been their official policy since Jade Empire. It may very well be a case to case kind of deal but at this point I just have the feeling that it's now become official policy . Of course I can't know that for sure as it's just speculation on my part but most of the discussion on these boards is rooted in speculation

Hrm... I didn't think I was making a contrast...

Then I re-read your post and realized that I missed the mandatory part... so, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I do think there is evidence of a studio policy dating back to Jade Empire that is something to the effect of "If the game has romances, include the s/s crowd."  or maybe even "Games will include romance subplot that includes all crowds."  But when push comes to shove and the dev team goes to management and says "If you want it by X date we need to drop features A,B, and C." then kiss A, B, and C good bye.  And in the case of ME 1 (and2?), as the existence of the s/s audio suggests, that feature was at least considered at one point in the games development and then cut for whatever reason.

Veering off a little, I think people put too much stake in the traditional passive story telling techniques.  Videogames offer a whole new way to tell stories, and one way could be where even the sub characters of a story are dynamic and based around the player.  I try to take this view with DA2 and, though it was a stretch at times, it has worked for me.  YMMV.   But, with that each play through is a separate dimension/universe/whatever
view, all the characters were not bi but whatever sexuality fit my play style.  I hope that the advance in technology like neural networks and predictive scripting/AI (and higher writer’s salary) will only improve the presentation of story in videogames.

TLDR: You (not YOU you) don't assume your MShep and your FShep exist in the same universe, so why should your NPCs exist the exact same across game plays?

Which brings me right back to this thread:
Personally I'm hopped up on Vega being the s/s LI if it turns out that BW was being coy and Big Ben/Nigel Fishnchips really is Vega.  SEXY! smilie

I don't think it would destroy the game if any of the previous squad mates were now available for s/s romance.

I REALLY hope that the non LI related interaction with the teammates gets expanded on.

EDIT: Screw you, Copy&Paste!

Modifié par DJSurface, 21 mai 2011 - 01:53 .

[MACharlie1]

yorkj86 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

@yorkj86

I agree.

If there seems to be more homosexual people today than there were in the past, it's because they can openly assume their orientation today, not because more people are turning gay.

If more people started to become homosexual as homosexuality becomes more accepted, then humanity would be in trouble, because soon there would not be enough people procreating to sustain a viable population.

Dude. We're already overpopulated. A theory that homosexuality develops when the population needs to dwindle it's numbers. 

According to whom?  VHEMT?  Nope.  No overpopulation, boss.

Overpopulation aside since that's personal opinion since there should be enough resources on planet Earth to enable every single one to live comfortably and that is obviously not the case. And then you play into my capitalists beliefs (staunch capitalist by the way). 

Aside overpopulation, the ratio of homosexuals to heterosexuals is no where near levels that would pose ANY risk to population levels. Get real. 

[Olwydd]

There seems to be an irreconcilable rift between fans in regards to the romance issue, and I say romance because s/s is only one aspect of it, albeit the one that garners the most vocal disagreement. I'm not sure it can ever be resolved. For a moment, I'm going to ignore the rabid anti-s/s crowd and leave the whole 'Shep can't/shouldn't be gay' nonsense out of it. The way I see it, there are two main factions in this thread; fans who desire the game to have a very tight narrative that reflects realism at all cost, and those that take a more casual approach and think of the game as a game. Both views have their merits (to a degree).

Personally, I take the more casual approach; I see the game as a piece of interactive media that is intended for recreational purposes, and I want it to be fun for me, even if this comes at the expense of 'realism'. It may not be 'realistic' (see 'statistically probable') that a certain percentage of squadmates are bi, but it certainly opens up the possibility of more 'fun' in the sense that it allows more people to enjoy the content. I want fun more than I want to be reminded that homosexuals constitute a minority. I don't mind if certain characters are shown to be bi after several games because I acknowledge that I'm playing a game that was developed to cater to many different people who want different things, so the more options available the better. Empathy.

[Erani]

AshiraShepard wrote...

paptschik wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Homosexuals can still have children.

Yeah, but you can't have them suddenly realize they're pregnant, so no rom-com potential there and isn't that what really matters?

No it's not and I don't know why I brought that up.

Tv Tropes would like a word with you...that Wizard would too.

Good info Ash...gonna try some haploidization the next time I embrace eternity with a girl. 

Please BioWare, my FemShep wants blue:alien: children.<3