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[Mr.House]

Blacklash93 wrote...

http://www.gameblurb...oset-and-into…/

Check out this gem of an article. The ignorance, paranoia, and excuses surrounding this issue astound me.

WHat the hell is this crap?<_<

[Golden Owl]

Siansonea II wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

massive_effect wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Liara has been in both games so far, a potential hookup with femShep and I haven't seen whining of this magnitude about that.

The double standards...they're so obvious...

Women are beautiful. Men are not. Two standards for two conditions is one standard for each condition.

That all depends on your perception...as a hetro woman, I find men so much more enticing...would rather be looking at handsome men...women, meh.

I'm a hetero woman too, but I think men and women are beautiful. I'm an artist though, and I think humans are the most beautiful subject there is. Women, men, beauty is beauty. And it's not always the textbook "ideal" types that are the most beautiful. A few well-placed "flaws" can make all the difference between generic and gorgeous.

Very true Sionsonea...on all of what you have said...was just trying to make a point to poster...When I was heavily pregnant with my first child, I desperately wanted to model for a still life class...due to circumstances, I was unable to, is a regret.

[jlb524]

I don't think anyone wants everyone to be bisexual. However, everyone wants "that special someone" from ME1 or ME2 to be bisexual so they can romance them in ME3 (that's only natural, of course) and taking all these people's wishes and making them true would lead to everyone being bisexual! Perhaps that's were the confusion is coming from.

Realistically, it would just be too much work for them to make every character bisexual, unlike with DA2 where there were only 4 LIs.

[Siansonea]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Cootie wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Liara has been in both games so far, a potential hookup with femShep and I haven't seen whining of this magnitude about that.

The double standards...they're so obvious...

It's only same-sex if they're the same sex as me!
Waah-waah-waah.

Hmm, let's see... while on the discussion of romances (and let's face it, we need more asari nonsense), for all of us who romanced Liara:

If Liara had the exact same personality, exact same history and outlook, would you still romance her if asari had been all-male?
And for those who didn't romance Liara, would you feel more inclined to do so if she had been male?

Sure,  but, the thought of an all male race that can impregnate
anything WITH THEIR MIND... is terrifying.  I must admit the possibility
for MPREG shepherd is hilarious though.

I've always thought the idea of an all-male "incubus" race would be awesome. Technically they would be hermaphroditic, though, and implanting a fertilized egg into a host organism, where it would grow. Potentially it would be like the chest-bursters in Alien, killing the host when the baby is "born". How cool would that be?

[AngelicMachinery]

Siansonea II wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Cootie wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Liara has been in both games so far, a potential hookup with femShep and I haven't seen whining of this magnitude about that.

The double standards...they're so obvious...

It's only same-sex if they're the same sex as me!
Waah-waah-waah.

Hmm, let's see... while on the discussion of romances (and let's face it, we need more asari nonsense), for all of us who romanced Liara:

If Liara had the exact same personality, exact same history and outlook, would you still romance her if asari had been all-male?
And for those who didn't romance Liara, would you feel more inclined to do so if she had been male?

Sure,  but, the thought of an all male race that can impregnate
anything WITH THEIR MIND... is terrifying.  I must admit the possibility
for MPREG shepherd is hilarious though.

I've always thought the idea of an all-male "incubus" race would be awesome. Technically they would be hermaphroditic, though, and implanting a fertilized egg into a host organism, where it would grow. Potentially it would be like the chest-bursters in Alien, killing the host when the baby is "born". How cool would that be?

I'm kind of glad I'm not the only person who had this particular train of thought.  It would be interesting to say the least,  and I would love to see the way people interacted with them.

[Siansonea]

Golden Owl wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

massive_effect wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Liara has been in both games so far, a potential hookup with femShep and I haven't seen whining of this magnitude about that.

The double standards...they're so obvious...

Women are beautiful. Men are not. Two standards for two conditions is one standard for each condition.

That all depends on your perception...as a hetro woman, I find men so much more enticing...would rather be looking at handsome men...women, meh.

I'm a hetero woman too, but I think men and women are beautiful. I'm an artist though, and I think humans are the most beautiful subject there is. Women, men, beauty is beauty. And it's not always the textbook "ideal" types that are the most beautiful. A few well-placed "flaws" can make all the difference between generic and gorgeous.

Very true Sionsonea...on all of what you have said...was just trying to make a point to poster...When I was heavily pregnant with my first child, I desperately wanted to model for a still life class...due to circumstances, I was unable to, is a regret.

Oh I know. But bear in mind who we're dealing with. Anyone who would say "women are beautiful, men are not" is the kind of person who doesn't understand that Other People Have Different Opinions, and that their opinion isn't "fact". He's also one of our "won't buy ME3 because of the gay" members, so let's just say that influencing him is probably not likely.

[Olwydd]

Siansonea II wrote...

I kind of fall in the middle, but I tend to lean more toward lolwut666's viewpoint. I don't think characters should be dictated solely by the fans' desires, they have their own arc and the writers should stay true to that even if that goes against what the fans ask for sometimes. I tend to think new s/s characters is the best way to go. And hopefully the next Mass Effect universe game will have some s/s characters from the beginning. I do think one or two characters that we've already met could realistically be bisexual with minimal fuss (Kaidan and Miranda seem like the natural choices to me), but I don't think they absolutely must be bisexual either.  I could see them realistically being straight or bisexual. I think if anyone could pull it off, it's BioWare, because I had written off Mordin, Samara, and Legion as "fanservice" characters based on the early reports of ME2, but those three became my favorites. The "funny salarian squadmate" ended up being a deep and resonant character—while still being a funny salarian squadmate. The hot asari babe with acres of cleavage turned out to be a serene and mystical warrior, who was also resolute and implacable—AND she won't sleep with Shepard. Teh Awesome. And Legion completely made the geth interesting to me, whereas before they were just things to kill. So I'm thinkin' BioWare can do some good stuff no matter which way they go here.

Fair enough. I don't have a problem with some characters not being available to certain sexes (so long as there are options available), but I simply don't understand the massive backlash against the possibility of a bisexual cast, or characters becoming available to both sexes. To me that speaks of insecurity and a degree of selfishness, like a kid who doesn't want to share. The problem is that people become fanatically attached to their cherished characters, and tend to award them character traits that aren't actually represented within the games, which makes them very resistent to any perceived change in that character's behaviour.

[NICKjnp]

@Sian...that would sure be bad for Shepard.

[Siansonea]

Mr.House wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

http://www.gameblurb...oset-and-into…/

Check out this gem of an article. The ignorance, paranoia, and excuses surrounding this issue astound me.

WHat the hell is this crap?<_<

Sounds like you answered your own quesion.

[Siansonea]

Olwydd wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I kind of fall in the middle, but I tend to lean more toward lolwut666's viewpoint. I don't think characters should be dictated solely by the fans' desires, they have their own arc and the writers should stay true to that even if that goes against what the fans ask for sometimes. I tend to think new s/s characters is the best way to go. And hopefully the next Mass Effect universe game will have some s/s characters from the beginning. I do think one or two characters that we've already met could realistically be bisexual with minimal fuss (Kaidan and Miranda seem like the natural choices to me), but I don't think they absolutely must be bisexual either.  I could see them realistically being straight or bisexual. I think if anyone could pull it off, it's BioWare, because I had written off Mordin, Samara, and Legion as "fanservice" characters based on the early reports of ME2, but those three became my favorites. The "funny salarian squadmate" ended up being a deep and resonant character—while still being a funny salarian squadmate. The hot asari babe with acres of cleavage turned out to be a serene and mystical warrior, who was also resolute and implacable—AND she won't sleep with Shepard. Teh Awesome. And Legion completely made the geth interesting to me, whereas before they were just things to kill. So I'm thinkin' BioWare can do some good stuff no matter which way they go here.

Fair enough. I don't have a problem with some characters not being available to certain sexes (so long as there are options available), but I simply don't understand the massive backlash against the possibility of a bisexual cast, or characters becoming available to both sexes. To me that speaks of insecurity and a degree of selfishness, like a kid who doesn't want to share. The problem is that people become fanatically attached to their cherished characters, and tend to award them character traits that aren't actually represented within the games, which makes them very resistent to any perceived change in that character's behaviour.

Honestly, I don't strongly object to the idea. If they did it, it wouldn't break the game for me, but I would think it was kind of odd. One thing I like about Dragon Age 2 was that you couldn't romance Aveline and Varric, and I didn't mind that Sebastian was a female-only almostmance. In a perfect world, a game would have bisexual, straight and exclusively gay/lesbian options, because that would be more like real life. I can see the appeal of the all-bi squad from a meta-perspective, but I like the game to keep metagame considerations to as reasonable a minimum as possible. I'm just happy my gay Shep will have a nice boy to save the galaxy with, he's lacked the personal connection my other Shepards have had for two games.

[PlumPaul93]

Olwydd wrote...

There seems to be an irreconcilable rift between fans in regards to the romance issue, and I say romance because s/s is only one aspect of it, albeit the one that garners the most vocal disagreement. I'm not sure it can ever be resolved. For a moment, I'm going to ignore the rabid anti-s/s crowd and leave the whole 'Shep can't/shouldn't be gay' nonsense out of it. The way I see it, there are two main factions in this thread; fans who desire the game to have a very tight narrative that reflects realism at all cost, and those that take a more casual approach and think of the game as a game. Both views have their merits (to a degree).

Personally, I take the more casual approach; I see the game as a piece of interactive media that is intended for recreational purposes, and I want it to be fun for me, even if this comes at the expense of 'realism'. It may not be 'realistic' (see 'statistically probable') that a certain percentage of squadmates are bi, but it certainly opens up the possibility of more 'fun' in the sense that it allows more people to enjoy the content. I want fun more than I want to be reminded that homosexuals constitute a minority. I don't mind if certain characters are shown to be bi after several games because I acknowledge that I'm playing a game that was developed to cater to many different people who want different things, so the more options available the better. Empathy.

If you want to be able to date every NPC you meet wouldn't a dating sim be more appropriate than an action RPG? Why can't people just let characters be written the way they were/are supposed to be? Why do people want so many romance options anyway? I like the romances but it would just get stupid if every companion I talked to was sexually interested in shepard.

[Siansonea]

NICKjnp wrote...

@Sian...that would sure be bad for Shepard.

It wouldn't be death by snu-snuu, would it?

[Golden Owl]

Siansonea II wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

massive_effect wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Liara has been in both games so far, a potential hookup with femShep and I haven't seen whining of this magnitude about that.

The double standards...they're so obvious...

Women are beautiful. Men are not. Two standards for two conditions is one standard for each condition.

That all depends on your perception...as a hetro woman, I find men so much more enticing...would rather be looking at handsome men...women, meh.

I'm a hetero woman too, but I think men and women are beautiful. I'm an artist though, and I think humans are the most beautiful subject there is. Women, men, beauty is beauty. And it's not always the textbook "ideal" types that are the most beautiful. A few well-placed "flaws" can make all the difference between generic and gorgeous.

Very true Sionsonea...on all of what you have said...was just trying to make a point to poster...When I was heavily pregnant with my first child, I desperately wanted to model for a still life class...due to circumstances, I was unable to, is a regret.

Oh I know. But bear in mind who we're dealing with. Anyone who would say "women are beautiful, men are not" is the kind of person who doesn't understand that Other People Have Different Opinions, and that their opinion isn't "fact". He's also one of our "won't buy ME3 because of the gay" members, so let's just say that influencing him is probably not likely.

Oops...didn't realize he was one of those with a stick up his a**......teach me for not reading more posts before I react...

[paptschik]

rynluna wrote...

Applause.

Hell, I've encountered that a lot today especially with some Tali fans.  All signs point to her being into FemShep but she supposedly has an established straight orientation.  lol!

But...all signs pointing to something for you may not be all signs pointing to something for others.
Is it really necessary to ridicule others opinions like that?

[Abispa]

I want to know what the hell I'm going to do with all those packs of omni-gel I saved up in ME1? I mean, that's a "recon" that totally changes the entire structure of the ME universe. It'll break immersion to try to convince players that the ME universe would, after only two years, get rid of something so crucial to military and security operations (this is a military style game after all). Fans might not be able to handle it and THAT could effect sales!

How many copies of ME2 did Bioware sell again?

Personally, if losing the ability to dress up your characters or have them change into armor for battle didn't hurt sales, I doubt being able to smooth talk Kaidan or Tali into bed if you WANT to is going to matter much in the end. Unless the game as a whole sucks, in which case I'm sure Bioware's "obsession with fan service" is going to be listed as a chief culprit.

Modifié par Abispa, 21 mai 2011 - 02:53 .

[jlb524]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

If you want to be able to date every NPC you meet wouldn't a dating sim be more appropriate than an action RPG? Why can't people just let characters be written the way they were/are supposed to be? Why do people want so many romance options anyway? I like the romances but it would just get stupid if every companion I talked to was sexually interested in shepard.

No one wants to date everyone or have everyone interested in Shepard...just possibly all the LIs.  In fact, all the LIs are possibly interested in Shepard, they just add that pesky gender check so you can't romance some of them unless you restart the game and play as the opposite gender...boo, that kind of sucks.

In a perfect world, I would support less LIs but all being open to both genders...kind of like what they did in DA2.

[Erani]

rynluna wrote...

Olwydd wrote...

Fair enough. I don't have a problem with some characters not being available to certain sexes (so long as there are options available), but I simply don't understand the massive backlash against the possibility of a bisexual cast, or characters becoming available to both sexes. To me that speaks of insecurity and a degree of selfishness, like a kid who doesn't want to share. The problem is that people become fanatically attached to their cherished characters, and tend to award them character traits that aren't actually represented within the games, which makes them very resistent to any perceived change in that character's behaviour.

Applause.

Hell, I've encountered that a lot today especially with some Tali fans.  All signs point to her being into FemShep but she supposedly has an established straight orientation.  lol!

LOL. "Well FemShep, you see..there's this thing we do with our spouses or those we trust the most not even with family..it's extremely intimate...our suits....I'd love to do it with you....Errr *flustered* that is if you were quarian...."

Yes, 100% established straight.

[NICKjnp]

Nope...snu snu happens during the act but what you are suggesting is an after the favmct thing (like a killer case of the crabs).

[AngelicMachinery]

Erani wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Olwydd wrote...

Fair enough. I don't have a problem with some characters not being available to certain sexes (so long as there are options available), but I simply don't understand the massive backlash against the possibility of a bisexual cast, or characters becoming available to both sexes. To me that speaks of insecurity and a degree of selfishness, like a kid who doesn't want to share. The problem is that people become fanatically attached to their cherished characters, and tend to award them character traits that aren't actually represented within the games, which makes them very resistent to any perceived change in that character's behaviour.

Applause.

Hell, I've encountered that a lot today especially with some Tali fans.  All signs point to her being into FemShep but she supposedly has an established straight orientation.  lol!

LOL. "Well FemShep, you see..there's this thing we do with our spouses or those we trust the most not even with family..it's extremely intimate...our suits....I'd love to do it with you....Errr *flustered* that is if you were quarian...."

Yes, 100% established straight.

Damn tease,  for her insolence I shall sacrafice the Quarians to the Geth.  

[Siansonea]

NICKjnp wrote...

Nope...snu snu happens during the act but what you are suggesting is an after the favmct thing (like a killer case of the crabs).

Yeah, Shepard dying of crabs would be kind of anti-climactic...

[jlb524]

Erani wrote...

LOL. "Well FemShep, you see..there's this thing we do with our spouses or those we trust the most not even with family..it's extremely intimate...our suits....I'd love to do it with you....Errr *flustered* that is if you were quarian...."

Yes, 100% established straight.

The odd thing is that this is never ever brought up again between the two...as if they are too shy/embarrassed to talk about it.

[Siansonea]

jlb524 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

If you want to be able to date every NPC you meet wouldn't a dating sim be more appropriate than an action RPG? Why can't people just let characters be written the way they were/are supposed to be? Why do people want so many romance options anyway? I like the romances but it would just get stupid if every companion I talked to was sexually interested in shepard.

No one wants to date everyone or have everyone interested in Shepard...just possibly all the LIs.  In fact, all the LIs are possibly interested in Shepard, they just add that pesky gender check so you can't romance some of them unless you restart the game and play as the opposite gender...boo, that kind of sucks.

In a perfect world, I would support less LIs but all being open to both genders...kind of like what they did in DA2.

In my perfect world for a new game, there would be one bi option of each gender, one gay-only option of each gender, and one straight-only option of each gender, as well as several "fling" options. If there were more than three LIs of each gender, the "extras" could be more bisexuals.