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[Mr.House]

There are many closet husbands out there.

[Abispa]

Ignore "my" previous post. My brother doesn't realize that gay Joker jokes are like, SO 21 pages ago. He's an idiot. Yeah, I know, it runs in the family.

[Maugrim]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

It could work I guess. If they made characters that were actually believably bi it would make since. But if they just slap the bi label on them just to say you can romance them I and people who support bi/gay romances should be mad. Also as much as I disliked the romances in DA2 it at least made since that the LI's were bi. Also please people don't start another argument saying "characters sexuality hasn't been confirmed for sure". I really don't care and I really don't want to fight.

Now, how is someone 'believably bi' then?

IDK the ins and outs of being bi, but I'd assume it would be making sure the character doesn't say things that assume he prefers one gender over another, shows interest in the PC I guess? It could work very well on a new character but a returning one like thane who we know had a wife and kid, not so much.

Let me give you a crash course on being believably bisexual

1.) Be open to the possibility of having a romantic relationship with a person of either gender.

THAT'S ALL FOLKS!

No seriously that's all.  Many bisexuals do have a preferred gender and I'd say about half of the ones I currently know are married or have been married to someone of the opposite sex.  So when you get two basic things so very wrong can you see why we don't exactly give you any benefit of the doubt about being the arbiter of believably bi?  Hell I wouldn't lecture a maths student on anything more complicated than pre-algebra because I'd be talking out of my posterior.

[Siansonea]

Celrath wrote...

Thinking out loud here.

Has it ever been Established weather the male or female quarians carry the child? My be quarians just lay big eggs. Come to think of it would't it make sense for quarians and turians to be egg layers. It could explain the width of Tali's hips.

I believe Shala'Raan talks about being present when Tali was born, and it sounds like standard mammalian live birth, I don't think quarians are oviparous.

[paptschik]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

I think the characters that would work best as same sex LIs would be Kaidan and Jack.

Kaidan is obviously a metrosexual, so being gay comes naturally to him.

As for Jack, she would be the perfect butch lesbian to complement Liara's lipstick lesbian.

It would be nice to have an actual hard assed lesbian love interest,  I will admit that...  particularly after the none romancable Aveline.  Truthfullly though,  one of Jack's last lines to Femmeshep seems to state she doesn't enjoy the company of women. 


I don't quite get Metrosexual Kaidan at all...

Where does hard assed begin? I mean...Isabela seemed pretty damn tough, especially compared to Merrill and Leliana. She just was...more open, outgoing, funloving, Zevran-with-boobs.

[jlb524]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

IDK the ins and outs of being bi, but I'd assume it would be making sure the character doesn't say things that assume he prefers one gender over another, shows interest in the PC I guess? It could work very well on a new character but a returning one like thane who we know had a wife and kid, not so much.

I really don't know the ins and outs of being bi either (I'm not bi myself) but from what I gather most bisexuals do have preferences for one gender more than another, or they express their desire for one gender differently than the other.  Keeping in mind that open homosexual behavior can be seen negatively my some people in our society, it would make sense that a bisexual person would be more likely to express their attraction to the opposite gender amongst others than to do so with the same gender.

Therefore, bisexuality doesn't mean equally liking men and women in the same way or to the same extent.  That's why I think it's tough to make judgements on some of these older characters.  Yes, Thane had a wife and a kid, but that just means the person he fell in love with was a woman.  He could still possibly be capable of loving a man as well.

[Siansonea]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh I know. But bear in mind who we're dealing with. Anyone who would say "women are beautiful, men are not" is the kind of person who doesn't understand that Other People Have Different Opinions, and that their opinion isn't "fact". He's also one of our "won't buy ME3 because of the gay" members, so let's just say that influencing him is probably not likely.

I'm one of the "may not buy ME3 (and haven't bothered with DA2 in part...) because of the gay" members, and I have no idea how he concluded that "women are beautiful; men are not".  I think we look pretty awesome when we're all trained up.  No desire to rub up against other guys, though.  I can only assume he can't abstract aesthetics away from sexual attraction.

Well, hopefully you'll wait to finalize your purchasing decision until after there is more information, at least. We've got two members petulantly boycotting the game on the basis of a tweet from Casey Hudson, and I'm sorry, that's just silly to me.

[Tommy6860]

Siansonea II wrote...

Celrath wrote...

Thinking out loud here.

Has it ever been Established weather the male or female quarians carry the child? My be quarians just lay big eggs. Come to think of it would't it make sense for quarians and turians to be egg layers. It could explain the width of Tali's hips.

I believe Shala'Raan talks about being present when Tali was born, and it sounds like standard mammalian live birth, I don't think quarians are oviparous.

Well, feamle Quarians are decpicted as having breasts, so that is a mammalian trait.

[AngelicMachinery]

paptschik wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

I think the characters that would work best as same sex LIs would be Kaidan and Jack.

Kaidan is obviously a metrosexual, so being gay comes naturally to him.

As for Jack, she would be the perfect butch lesbian to complement Liara's lipstick lesbian.

It would be nice to have an actual hard assed lesbian love interest,  I will admit that...  particularly after the none romancable Aveline.  Truthfullly though,  one of Jack's last lines to Femmeshep seems to state she doesn't enjoy the company of women. 


I don't quite get Metrosexual Kaidan at all...

Where does hard assed begin? I mean...Isabela seemed pretty damn tough, especially compared to Merrill and Leliana. She just was...more open, outgoing, funloving, Zevran-with-boobs.

Merrill was far too sweet for my tastes,  and while Isabella was a bit of a toughy and she was a strong woman she just didn't scream bad ass to me. 

I also do appologize about my comment about the reluctance for a bisexual Tali it was much ruder than it should have been.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 21 mai 2011 - 03:18 .

[PlumPaul93]

makenzieshepard wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

It could work I guess. If they made characters that were actually believably bi it would make since. But if they just slap the bi label on them just to say you can romance them I and people who support bi/gay romances should be mad. Also as much as I disliked the romances in DA2 it at least made since that the LI's were bi. Also please people don't start another argument saying "characters sexuality hasn't been confirmed for sure". I really don't care and I really don't want to fight.

Now, how is someone 'believably bi' then?

IDK the ins and outs of being bi, but I'd assume it would be making sure the character doesn't say things that assume he prefers one gender over another, shows interest in the PC I guess? It could work very well on a new character but a returning one like thane who we know had a wife and kid, not so much.

Let me give you a crash course on being believably bisexual

1.) Be open to the possibility of having a romantic relationship with a person of either gender.

THAT'S ALL FOLKS!

No seriously that's all.  Many bisexuals do have a preferred gender and I'd say about half of the ones I currently know are married or have been married to someone of the opposite sex.  So when you get two basic things so very wrong can you see why we don't exactly give you any benefit of the doubt about being the arbiter of believably bi?  Hell I wouldn't lecture a maths student on anything more complicated than pre-algebra because I'd be talking out of my posterior.

Like I said it could work on a new character and they could establish what they want him to be. But characters who were in the crew in ME2 it wouldn't make much since. VS I could see work because of the fact shepard hasn't been around them for years.

[Abispa]

The wide hips on a Quarian MAY be the result of Quarian children be born more "mature" than human infants. Perhaps a newborn may even be able to walk after a day or two.

[Erani]

rynluna wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
It could work very well on a new character but a returning one like thane who we know had a wife and kid, not so much.

Eh, it could still work.  Think of all the formally married people who end up being in gay relationships.  Thane could just end up going gay for Shepard.

The main problem with Thane is that he's sadly about 60% dead. Apart from that, sure he could go gay-for-Shepard.
Personally, I think the "but he had a wife and kids!" argument should never be used. Ever....to try and prove someone's straightness....even if the dude is indeed straight...just use something else. That phrase just burns the image of a titanium alloy closet into my mind.

[paptschik]

rynluna wrote...

paptschik wrote...

I'm getting worked up over the fact that people get mocked if they dare to thik that Tali is straight.
My point is..the opinion that Tali is straight is as good and okay to have as wanting her bi or already viewing her as bi and I don't like feeling like I have to apologize for seeing her as straight.

Good for you.  You have an opinion just like me.  Also, where did I ask for an apology?

You didn't. But mocking an opinion and acting like it is a definitie wrong one (and that is how it seemed, I apologize if that wasn't the intended effect), it does seem that one that thinks of certain characters as straight needs to justify themselves and/or apologize for not sharing your point of view.

I mean, nobody would enjoy people mocking same sex relationships in a "these idiots actually think character xyz could be bi!"-manner, right? (and I know some people in this thread already did just that, but for the sake of argument, lets say that these aren't the standards we all would like to compare ourselves to, kay?  )

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

IDK the ins and outs of being bi, but I'd assume it would be making sure the character doesn't say things that assume he prefers one gender over another, shows interest in the PC I guess? It could work very well on a new character but a returning one like thane who we know had a wife and kid, not so much.

I really don't know the ins and outs of being bi either (I'm not bi myself) but from what I gather most bisexuals do have preferences for one gender more than another, or they express their desire for one gender differently than the other.  Keeping in mind that open homosexual behavior can be seen negatively my some people in our society, it would make sense that a bisexual person would be more likely to express their attraction to the opposite gender amongst others than to do so with the same gender.

Therefore, bisexuality doesn't mean equally liking men and women in the same way or to the same extent.  That's why I think it's tough to make judgements on some of these older characters.  Yes, Thane had a wife and a kid, but that just means the person he fell in love with was a woman.  He could still possibly be capable of loving a man as well.

This! 100% this!

[Aumata]

As long as they don't pull a Anders on me, don't care. That for me is one of the biggest reasons, besides the potentially for everyone to be bi, and feel forced vibe that I been having every time I think about the subject. Also, I was at another forum and someone said that their is gonna be a romance story arc, is that true? Be kind of cool, seeing how that isn't something I find in other games besides erotic visual novels, or a srpg game that has a really cool opening song, also from what I heard the Persona series does that also. Bioware needs some romance besides the we are gonna die so I might as well confess that I want sex you up. Well as far as I have known seeing how I started on KOTOR.

[lolwut666]

Personally, I think it's more plausible for a woman to be bi than a man.

That's because a homosexual man has to actually enjoy getting penetrated.

I was never penetrated myself, but I assume it is not pleasant unless you're into that.

Girl on girl sex is mostly caressing and stuff, which is not potentially painful and something that everbody can enjoy.

Which is why I think that making one of the male LI from the past games become bi is far-fetched, since they never demonstrated any homosexual tendencies in the past, and homosexuality is not something that you simply develop out of nowhere, as science has proven.

Most characters are close to or past 30; if they're not gay by then, they won't be gay ever.

A gay male has to be an original character, IMO.

[Mr.House]

Not all bisexuals tell there partners they are bi. Only people that know I'm bi are friends and some family. I don't date a girl and tell her "prefer peen, let's have sex!"

[Erani]

Siansonea II wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

I'm one of the "may not buy ME3 (and haven't bothered with DA2 in part...) because of the gay" members, and I have no idea how he concluded that "women are beautiful; men are not".  I think we look pretty awesome when we're all trained up.  No desire to rub up against other guys, though.  I can only assume he can't abstract aesthetics away from sexual attraction.

Well, hopefully you'll wait to finalize your purchasing decision until after there is more information, at least. We've got two members petulantly boycotting the game on the basis of a tweet from Casey Hudson, and I'm sorry, that's just silly to me.

So this brings the boycotting tally to 2 or 3? Pretty significant difference there...BioWare is probably keeping track....

[Mr.House]

lolwut666 wrote...

Personally, I think it's more plausible for a woman to be bi than a man.

That's because a homosexual man has to actually enjoy getting penetrated.

Not all bi or gay men do that

[Tommy6860]

lolwut666 wrote...


A gay male has to be an original character, IMO.

And if they step out from being a portrayed straight character?

Modifié par Tommy6860, 21 mai 2011 - 03:25 .

[paptschik]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

paptschik wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

I think the characters that would work best as same sex LIs would be Kaidan and Jack.

Kaidan is obviously a metrosexual, so being gay comes naturally to him.

As for Jack, she would be the perfect butch lesbian to complement Liara's lipstick lesbian.

It would be nice to have an actual hard assed lesbian love interest,  I will admit that...  particularly after the none romancable Aveline.  Truthfullly though,  one of Jack's last lines to Femmeshep seems to state she doesn't enjoy the company of women. 


I don't quite get Metrosexual Kaidan at all...

Where does hard assed begin? I mean...Isabela seemed pretty damn tough, especially compared to Merrill and Leliana. She just was...more open, outgoing, funloving, Zevran-with-boobs.

Merrill was far too sweet for my tastes,  and while Isabella was a bit of a toughy and she was a strong woman she just didn't scream bad ass to me. 

I also do appologize about my comment about the reluctance for a bisexual Tali it was much ruder than it should have been.

In that case I can see wanting Aveline..though I was happy she got together with Donnic, mostly because the quest was great and I like companions having a life beyond just Hawke...though I can see being disappointed if what you would want is not among the given romances.
What I'd still do for my dwarven romances....one day, Varric and Sigrun. One day my Hawkes or Wardens will get you!

It's okay. I just get worked up when I feel like I'm being equaled to people that say they'll burn the game in a fire because it has icky gay stuff...cause that's SO not me.

[Siansonea]

lolwut666 wrote...

@AngelicMachinery

You don't? What about that hair and tan?

I bet he spends hours in front of the mirror just to get his sideburns to look right.

And I think Kaidan's voice makes him sound a bit effeminate.

These are unreliable indicators of sexual preference, and are also very subjective interpretations. I think Kaidan is believable as a "newly revealed" bisexual LI option for other reasons. He's not very forthcoming with Shepard, who has to draw him out, the "you've got a little black raincloud over your head" comment comes to mind. I never got the impression talking to Kaidan that I was learning everything to know about him. With Ashley, I felt like she was pretty much putting everything out there, I learned about her sisters (I'd love to meet the other Williams girls in ME3, BTW), her views on aliens, her family's troublesome legacy, and she never seemed to need much coaxing. We know next to nothing about Kaidan's family, compared to Ash. Heck, we know more about Liara's family than Kaidan's (it helps that Shepard has met both her parents).

For the same reason, I think Miranda makes mores sense as a bisexual than Jack. Jack seems to have been there, done that, and while she may not be 100% straight, she seems to have less of a tendency toward women. Jack has ISSUES with women, as evidenced by her epic clash with Miranda. Jacob, another Cerberus lapdog, doesn't even show up on her radar. To me, that says that Miranda's gender is a factor in Jack's animosity toward her.