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[paptschik]

Abispa wrote...

The wide hips on a Quarian MAY be the result of Quarian children be born more "mature" than human infants. Perhaps a newborn may even be able to walk after a day or two.

I'd personally expect them to just lie on their backs for a while...mostly because the tought of a baby in a bubble, a hyperactive little toddler isn't what comes to mind, but that may just be me.
Quarians age similar to humans, right?

[jeweledleah]

lolwut666 wrote...

Kaidan is obviously a metrosexual, so being gay comes naturally to him.

As for Jack, she would be the perfect butch lesbian to complement Liara's lipstick lesbian.

pardon me while I fly into incoherent rage at the above statements

whom you fall in love with, whom you feel atracted to has NOTHING, absofreakinglutely NOTHING to do with how you look, what you wear, what sort of books you read or music you listen to, how much time you spend in front of the mirror, whether you can tell one brand of shoe from another, etc, etc.

Kaidan could work well as a same sex romance IF written well, because he never mentions not being interested in men and because going from friendship to love is plausible, especialy when written well.

you know what I want?  I want LI's to be people first and romantic interests later, I want them to have the same friendship paths regardless of whether theylike boys, girls or all of the above, I want their appearance, manerisms, interests and combat abilities be independant from their bedroom preferences. 

and I want people to stop freaking stereotyping and explain why they think the subplots may work based on the story so far, rather then any superficial characteristics.

edited to add - homosexual men are perfectly capable of disliking penetration and streight men are perfectly capable of loving the hellout of it.  its not what they do, its whom they do it with.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 21 mai 2011 - 03:27 .

[Maugrim]

lolwut666 wrote...

Personally, I think it's more plausible for a woman to be bi than a man.

That's because a homosexual man has to actually enjoy getting penetrated.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 21 mai 2011 - 03:26 .

[Siansonea]

Abispa wrote...

The wide hips on a Quarian MAY be the result of Quarian children be born more "mature" than human infants. Perhaps a newborn may even be able to walk after a day or two.

This makes sense. If they were oviparous, they wouldn't need a particularly roomy pelvis, and would be much less dimorphic in that area between males and females.

[Abispa]

I've always thought that Tali was open to a romance with woman Shepard even though she's obviously more adventurous with the male. And I've always found Jack's "not a girl's club" comment to be strangely out of place, as was Samara's refusal to romance either Shepard.

Michael Caine said in an Larry King interview once that Hollywood executives are VERY supportive of depicting gay romances... with women. Young, attractive women. And while they say they're not against male homosexuality, the decision is to maybe show two guys holding hands until one of them tragically dies of AIDS or a skinhead assault.

Even though Bioware has denied this, I've always been suspicious that they've allowed straight and Liara and sorta Kelly, but never found the time to include gay male romances they thought about including. I've always suspected that the awkward restrictions on Jack, Samara and Tali as lesbian options was to try to minimize criticism on their hypocrisy (and just to be safe, Samara wasn't even allowed to romance male Shepard).

[ExtremeOne]

lolwut666 wrote...

Personally, I think it's great news that ExtremeOne won't be buying the game.

Next step, maybe he'll stop posting here altogether.

Hooray for same sex romance.

    




If you think that is going to stop me from posting here It will not . 

[paptschik]

lolwut666 wrote...

Personally, I think it's more plausible for a woman to be bi than a man.

That's because a homosexual man has to actually enjoy getting penetrated.

I was never penetrated myself, but I assume it is not pleasant unless you're into that.

Girl on girl sex is mostly caressing and stuff, which is not potentially painful and something that everbody can enjoy.

Which is why I think that making one of the male LI from the past games become bi is far-fetched, since they never demonstrated any homosexual tendencies in the past, and homosexuality is not something that you simply develop out of nowhere, as science has proven.

Most characters are close to or past 30; if they're not gay by then, they won't be gay ever.

A gay male has to be an original character, IMO.

But..why can't gay sex be just caressing and oralsex?
I mean...there are plenty hetero couples that go mostly for that.

And I'm sure by now at least five people have asked the same thing and my post is redundant.
Stupid fast moving thread.

[paptschik]

Nyoka wrote...

Jack is not a butch lesbian. She's just not "girly", meaning she doesn't follow the traditional female gender stereotypical role. There's a difference.

I don't particularly enjoy these kinds of generalizations, but if I *had* to put that label on someone, it would be Ash. ME1&2 Ash, mind you, not the new GI pic. It's not a perfect match, not even a good match, but it's certainly better than Jack's.

I don't know what a 'lipstick lesbian' is. What I see in Liara is, simply, a woman.

A woman that would try anything.
...
So, wait, is Kelly an asari in disguise?

[Lenimph]

makenzieshepard wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Personally, I think it's more plausible for a woman to be bi than a man.

That's because a homosexual man has to actually enjoy getting penetrated.

[lolwut666]

@makenzieshepard

Yes, but the other LI won't know if Shepard is passive or active, and the same goes for Shepard.

It could be like:

ManShep: OK, let's have sex. Turn around.

Garrus: Hey, hey, hey! Wait a minute, buddy! I'm strictly on the giving end!

ManShep: What? But I want to give, too.

Garrus: No way.

ManShep: **** you, then.

Garrus: Fine. See you later.

[paptschik]

Siansonea II wrote...

For the same reason, I think Miranda makes mores sense as a bisexual than Jack. Jack seems to have been there, done that, and while she may not be 100% straight, she seems to have less of a tendency toward women. Jack has ISSUES with women, as evidenced by her epic clash with Miranda. Jacob, another Cerberus lapdog, doesn't even show up on her radar. To me, that says that Miranda's gender is a factor in Jack's animosity toward her.

While I DO think that Jack has tried women and just prefers men, I think the Miranda and Jacob thing has another reason, namely...Jacob being a guy that's fairly nice to like, at worst he's a bit uninteresting. Miranda on the other hand....I'm against violence towards women, but at least let my femsheps punch her!

[Siansonea]

lolwut666 wrote...

Personally, I think it's more plausible for a woman to be bi than a man.

That's because a homosexual man has to actually enjoy getting penetrated.

I was never penetrated myself, but I assume it is not pleasant unless you're into that.

Girl on girl sex is mostly caressing and stuff, which is not potentially painful and something that everbody can enjoy.

Which is why I think that making one of the male LI from the past games become bi is far-fetched, since they never demonstrated any homosexual tendencies in the past, and homosexuality is not something that you simply develop out of nowhere, as science has proven.

Most characters are close to or past 30; if they're not gay by then, they won't be gay ever.

A gay male has to be an original character, IMO.

The More You Know:wizard:

I hope you're joking. As to your remarks about being penetrated and whatnot—don't knock it 'til you've tried it, I would say. It's sad when you boys don't know where your own G-spot is...

And please don't say things like "science has proven" without citing anything. I can say that science has proven that the sun revolves around the Earth—conveniently omitting the fact that it was later disproven.

[ExtremeOne]

DJSurface wrote...

Madi wrote...
Whether or not they considered it for ME1 and ME2 is moot because ultimately they did not include it so it couldn't have been their policy at that time.

EDIT: that was mean of me, sorry.

Anyway, I'll try to lay it out one more time then I'm off to the gym.

Bioware desides at some point to include s/s options to the romance subplots of the games.
As each game comes along, they dicede to include it or not.
KOTOR, no.
Jade Empire, yes.
Mass Effect, no.
DA:O, yes.
ME2, no.
DA2, yes.
ME3, yes.
SWOR, can you even romance NPCs in that ?

Obviously I know no more than you do as we are not Bioware staff, but from my point of view, and working in software development being exposed to cut features all the time, I can easily seeing this as a case by case call.

   



Oh you forget in the Star Wars games they have to get things cleared by Lucas Arts . 

[Mr.House]

lolwut666 wrote...

@makenzieshepard

Yes, but the other LI won't know if Shepard is passive or active, and the same goes for Shepard.

It could be like:

ManShep: OK, let's have sex. Turn around.

Garrus: Hey, hey, hey! Wait a minute, buddy! I'm strictly on the giving end!

ManShep: What? But I want to give, too.

Garrus: No way.

ManShep: **** you, then.

Garrus: Fine. See you later.

*headdesk*

Shows what you know <_<

[MACharlie1]

lolwut666 wrote...

@makenzieshepard

Yes, but the other LI won't know if Shepard is passive or active, and the same goes for Shepard.

It could be like:

ManShep: OK, let's have sex. Turn around.

Garrus: Hey, hey, hey! Wait a minute, buddy! I'm strictly on the giving end!

ManShep: What? But I want to give, too.

Garrus: No way.

ManShep: **** you, then.

Garrus: Fine. See you later.

...you really have no idea how homosexuals work do you? Just a guess. 

[paptschik]

rynluna wrote...

paptschik wrote...

You didn't. But mocking an opinion and acting like it is a definitie wrong one (and that is how it seemed, I apologize if that wasn't the intended effect), it does seem that one that thinks of certain characters as straight needs to justify themselves and/or apologize for not sharing your point of view.

I mean, nobody would enjoy people mocking same sex relationships in a "these idiots actually think character xyz could be bi!"-manner, right? (and I know some people in this thread already did just that, but for the sake of argument, lets say that these aren't the standards we all would like to compare ourselves to, kay?  )

Well, there seems to be a lot of nerd rage lately over fan's favorite characters being open to s/s romance.  Fans don't own these characters and yes, I'm going to debate with someone who says that a character is undeniably straight.  Show me the facts. 

If Tali were to dump MaleShep in ME3 and find herself a woman, that would effect that dude's game.  She's not going to, so I can't help but point out how selfish it is for someone to want to deny others an extra option to play.

I'm sticking by my opinion and you can stick with yours, I have a right to challenge it if I so want to, though.

I never said they're undeniably straight anyway. That's not even my issue. It's that after Bioware not making a clear statement, I just formed my own views over time and you know, wouldn't want to be told now, that my canon over all this time has been wrong, if only in regards to characters.
It is a selfish thing, yes, but..eh, it's a personal preference.

[lolwut666]

@Siansonea II

Actually, Miranda and Jacob were intimate in the past, but it didn't work out.

Plus the Shadow Broker dossier seems to indicate that she is trying really hard to get pregnant, and a woman can't impregnate another.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Erani wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

I'm one of the "may not buy ME3 (and haven't bothered with DA2 in part...) because of the gay" members, and I have no idea how he concluded that "women are beautiful; men are not".  I think we look pretty awesome when we're all trained up.  No desire to rub up against other guys, though.  I can only assume he can't abstract aesthetics away from sexual attraction.

Well, hopefully you'll wait to finalize your purchasing decision until after there is more information, at least. We've got two members petulantly boycotting the game on the basis of a tweet from Casey Hudson, and I'm sorry, that's just silly to me.

So this brings the boycotting tally to 2 or 3? Pretty significant difference there...BioWare is probably keeping track....

Well, it is a 150% increase, just like that.  Really, though, if the game keeps it out of my face, I'm fine.  I'm one of those who likes the idea of setting the PC's sexuality at the beginning.  I know, I know--this pretty much makes me a war criminal, but I'm not going to spend my time and money on something that I don't find entertaining.

I wasn't really thinking of a boycott so much as not buying a game if it doesn't appeal to me.  I suppose I could get a letter-writing campaign fired up, though, if you think it's important enough.  I'd go after EA instead of Bioware, though.  They seem to be sort of detached from the actual work of their subsidiaries, and an overall EA boycott would be much more damaging than a campaign against the Bioware games.

But, really, I'm just hoping for a sequel with well-firewalled gayness (if gayness is an inevitability).

[Erani]

lolwut666 wrote...

@makenzieshepard

Yes, but the other LI won't know if Shepard is passive or active, and the same goes for Shepard.

It could be like:

ManShep: OK, let's have sex. Turn around.

Garrus: Hey, hey, hey! Wait a minute, buddy! I'm strictly on the giving end!

ManShep: What? But I want to give, too.

Garrus: No way.

ManShep: **** you, then.

Garrus: Fine. See you later.

As long as they have that KY supplier contact in Omega, no need to freak. 

Edit: sarcasm, in case of not obvious.

Modifié par Erani, 21 mai 2011 - 03:38 .

[Abispa]

lolwut666 wrote...

Personally, I think it's more plausible for a woman to be bi than a man.

That's because a homosexual man has to actually enjoy getting penetrated.

I was never penetrated myself, but I assume it is not pleasant unless you're into that.

Girl on girl sex is mostly caressing and stuff, which is not potentially painful and something that everbody can enjoy.

Which is why I think that making one of the male LI from the past games become bi is far-fetched, since they never demonstrated any homosexual tendencies in the past, and homosexuality is not something that you simply develop out of nowhere, as science has proven.

Most characters are close to or past 30; if they're not gay by then, they won't be gay ever.

A gay male has to be an original character, IMO.

At the risk of give out TMI, I am NOT gay, but my girlfriend has "penetrated" me with several of her favorite devices as a means to give a little extra "oomph" the the festivities, and I LOVED EVERY DAMN MINUTE OF IT, BABY! Wooooooooo!

[jeweledleah]

MACharlie1 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

@makenzieshepard

Yes, but the other LI won't know if Shepard is passive or active, and the same goes for Shepard.
It could be like:
ManShep: OK, let's have sex. Turn around.
Garrus: Hey, hey, hey! Wait a minute, buddy! I'm strictly on the giving end!
ManShep: What? But I want to give, too.
Garrus: No way.
ManShep: **** you, then.

Garrus: Fine. See you later.

...you really have no idea how homosexuals work do you? Just a guess. 

I'm not sure he knows much about sex, period.  I'm sorry for getting personal here, but the degree of ignorance about sexual acts in general this... poster has is just... staggering.

[Siansonea]

lolwut666 wrote...

@Siansonea II

Actually, Miranda and Jacob were intimate in the past, but it didn't work out.

Plus the Shadow Broker dossier seems to indicate that she is trying really hard to get pregnant, and a woman can't impregnate another.

Lucky for you men, we might just off the lot of you once we figure that out.


And I don't understand what your point about Miranda and Jacob is referring to. No clear antecedent is given.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 21 mai 2011 - 03:39 .

[Tommy6860]

ExtremeOne wrote...

DJSurface wrote...

Madi wrote...
Whether or not they considered it for ME1 and ME2 is moot because ultimately they did not include it so it couldn't have been their policy at that time.

EDIT: that was mean of me, sorry.

Anyway, I'll try to lay it out one more time then I'm off to the gym.

Bioware desides at some point to include s/s options to the romance subplots of the games.
As each game comes along, they dicede to include it or not.
KOTOR, no.
Jade Empire, yes.
Mass Effect, no.
DA:O, yes.
ME2, no.
DA2, yes.
ME3, yes.
SWOR, can you even romance NPCs in that ?

Obviously I know no more than you do as we are not Bioware staff, but from my point of view, and working in software development being exposed to cut features all the time, I can easily seeing this as a case by case call.

   



Oh you forget in the Star Wars games they have to get things cleared by Lucas Arts . 

The person got KotOR wrong.

Juhani was a lesbian in KotOR. I guess that got cleared at LA.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 21 mai 2011 - 03:39 .

[Siansonea]

jeweledleah wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

@makenzieshepard

Yes, but the other LI won't know if Shepard is passive or active, and the same goes for Shepard.
It could be like:
ManShep: OK, let's have sex. Turn around.
Garrus: Hey, hey, hey! Wait a minute, buddy! I'm strictly on the giving end!
ManShep: What? But I want to give, too.
Garrus: No way.
ManShep: **** you, then.

Garrus: Fine. See you later.

...you really have no idea how homosexuals work do you? Just a guess. 

I'm not sure he knows much about sex, period.  I'm sorry for getting personal here, but the degree of ignorance about sexual acts in general this... poster has is just... staggering.

Yeah, every now and then I just reeeeeeally want to know how old a person posting here is...