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lol.. Well, news flash. Asari are females, says so in the codex, and are refereed to as "she" throughout the entire series. The only reason a couple BW people they keep saying otherwise is to avoid the whole lesbian discussion. In my mind, Asari are a race of space lesbians and it's nothing but hetero male fan service that males get to pseudo interbreed with them. From a realistic evolutionary and biological standpoint, Asari would never consider mating with a male from any mammalian species good idea or even feasible. It would stand to reason that a race of females would be more prone to mate with females from other species more so than males.


But a male human probably is closer to being a female like the asari than a female Krogan probably is.

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i may or may not have gone on the twitter rampage as a result of that ridiculous tweet from houston. insulting ****ing bull****.

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AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
 Asari would never consider mating with a male from any mammalian species good idea or even feasible. It


I don't agree with this at all, while, yes I believe they should be more prone to mate with females I see no reason why others would consider copulating with males.  

Did you mean to say "wouldn't"?

I've had many lengthy discussions about this and I believe that intercourse as humans know it would not be of any interest to an Asari, and in fact could be painful or even damaging to her internal organs. They have a birth canal, but since their main pleasure center is not located in the vagina (and there is not even implied evidence that they derive any pleasure at all from intercourse), due to not using it as a way to conceive offspring, there would be no desire or reasoning to even allow penetration by a mammalian male. There are plenty of ways a male could be pleased, but male instinctual programming would almost always push them towards intercourse as humans know it.

But that is off topic so I will leave it there.

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Sunnie22 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
 Asari would never consider mating with a male from any mammalian species good idea or even feasible. It


I don't agree with this at all, while, yes I believe they should be more prone to mate with females I see no reason why others would consider copulating with males.  

Did you mean to say "wouldn't"?

I've had many lengthy discussions about this and I believe that intercourse as humans know it would not be of any interest to an Asari, and in fact could be painful or even damaging to her internal organs. They have a birth canal, but since their main pleasure center is not located in the vagina (and there is not even implied evidence that they derive any pleasure at all from intercourse), due to not using it as a way to conceive offspring, there would be no desire or reasoning to even allow penetration by a mammalian male. There are plenty of ways a male could be pleased, but male instinctual programming would almost always push them towards intercourse as humans know it.

But that is off topic so I will leave it there.


Your basing your theories on idle speculation though,  and in a way I find it a tad laughable that someone who seems to be championing homosexuality would outright state that it doesn't make sense for an Asari to want to have sex with a male.  It just kind of boggles my mind.

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Some asari would still date males, but majority should prefer asari or female humans, that's not the case in ME. We see the opposite and that's the issue that many people including me have. The asari as they are now, are fan service for males, which is a shame because they have alot of potential.

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catabuca wrote...

i may or may not have gone on the twitter rampage as a result of that ridiculous tweet from houston. insulting ****ing bull****.

LOL. Codex is not his friend apparently.:whistle:

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Sunnie22 wrote...

lol.. Well, news flash. Asari are females, says so in the codex, and are refereed to as "she" throughout the entire series. The only reason a couple BW people they keep saying otherwise is to avoid the whole lesbian discussion. In my mind, Asari are a race of space lesbians and it's nothing but hetero male fan service that males get to pseudo interbreed with them. From a realistic evolutionary and biological standpoint, Asari would never consider mating with a male from any mammalian species good idea or even feasible. It would stand to reason that a race of females would be more prone to mate with females from other species more so than males.


You are equating reproductive sex with gender identity to some extent, I think. Asari are reproductively female sexed, but sexually and socially they can be either mothers or fathers, they can assume one of two parenting roles. Some asari might prefer only to father children, other asari might prefer only to carry them. Of course the asari stigma against purebloods makes an asari who prefers to father children at a distinct disadvantage, and would probably be the closest thing the asari have to a concept like "homophobia". In any case, the asari social dynamics would give them some idea of how two-sex species operate, and it would probably make them think of two-gendered species as asari-like, only limited in their reproductive roles. A two-sex species individual can't choose to father one baby, then carry the next, it's always the same individual who fathers the baby or carries it in a two-sex species. Again, because of the asari prejudice against pureblood children and asari-asari pairings in general, there is much more social pressure for the asari to assume a female role in reproduction, something which might make them have a preference for males or females of other species, depending on how the individual asari responds to that social pressure. An asari who would rather play the father role in reproduction might be drawn to females of other species, while one who embraces the mother role might be more drawn to males. Though of course from a reproductive standpoint both types of asari are limited to the mother role. Socially, though, I could see preferences like that.

And that dynamic would be especially true regarding humans, I think, since humans are definitely the most asari-like aliens we've seen in the ME-universe. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn the humans were cultivated from asari base stock by whichever race left the Consort's trinket and the sphere on Eletania, both of which we presume to be the work of the Protheans currently, but may actually have been done by another species altogether. After all, somebody encased the Charon Relay in rock, that means somebody didn't want mass effect travel to the Sol system to be possible. And the asari were the first race to find the Citadel. The asari were first, and humans were last—and in fact they didn't arrive on the scene until AFTER the scheduled Reaper invasion was supposed to occur. If humanity hadn't found and used the Charon Relay at exactly that time in history, if they had waited a couple hundred years later, they would have emerged into the galaxy just after a Reaper cycle, and would have had 50,000 years to use the Citadel and build up galactic technology, rather than the relatively smaller amount of time that the asari had and that other species in previous Reaper Cycles had. Perhaps the Protheans felt that a two-sexed asari variant without natural biotic ability, walled into a backwater star system via an encased mass relay, would take much longer to reach the stars than the asari would. It could have been a brilliant plan on the Protheans' (or whoever's) part, perhaps a "Plan B" for the Ilos Contingency, if you will.

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Sunnie22 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
 Asari would never consider mating with a male from any mammalian species good idea or even feasible. It


I don't agree with this at all, while, yes I believe they should be more prone to mate with females I see no reason why others would consider copulating with males.  

Did you mean to say "wouldn't"?

I've had many lengthy discussions about this and I believe that intercourse as humans know it would not be of any interest to an Asari, and in fact could be painful or even damaging to her internal organs. They have a birth canal, but since their main pleasure center is not located in the vagina (and there is not even implied evidence that they derive any pleasure at all from intercourse), due to not using it as a way to conceive offspring, there would be no desire or reasoning to even allow penetration by a mammalian male. There are plenty of ways a male could be pleased, but male instinctual programming would almost always push them towards intercourse as humans know it.

But that is off topic so I will leave it there.


....Wait, are you arguing that Asari shouldn't want men because it is not part of their biology?
Because that argument could be used against homosexual relationships in general (mind you, I think it is a bad argument and if I misunderstood, then I apologize).

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catabuca wrote...

i may or may not have gone on the twitter rampage as a result of that ridiculous tweet from houston. insulting ****ing bull****.

I saw and I don't blame you.Image IPB

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Mr.House wrote...

Some asari would still date males, but majority should prefer asari or female humans, that's not the case in ME. We see the opposite and that's the issue that many people including me have. The asari as they are now, are fan service for males, which is a shame because they have alot of potential.

What potential do you mean exactly? To be a mostly gay race? Wouldn't THAT be fanservice for homosexuals then?
And can't everything be seen as fanservice for someone?

Mind you, I am one that never got the bad reputation of fanservice anyway.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

catabuca wrote...

i may or may not have gone on the twitter rampage as a result of that ridiculous tweet from houston. insulting ****ing bull****.

I saw and I don't blame you.Image IPB


i'm not sure whether to be annoyed by this "asari are not girls" or to be glad that it suggests another f/f LI

but since i'm pretty used to this asari mess by now i'll just be glad

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What twitter are you all talking about?

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jlb524 wrote...

What twitter are you all talking about?


Blacklash93 wrote...

A tweet from Sr. Producer Jesse Houston:

"it's not just gay man shep it's also fem shep too! Liara isn't a girl!"

I don't agree about Liara, but going by that logic I'd say it's safe to say that the new f/f romance option won't be an Asari.



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paptschik wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Some asari would still date males, but majority should prefer asari or female humans, that's not the case in ME. We see the opposite and that's the issue that many people including me have. The asari as they are now, are fan service for males, which is a shame because they have alot of potential.

What potential do you mean exactly? To be a mostly gay race? Wouldn't THAT be fanservice for homosexuals then?
And can't everything be seen as fanservice for someone?

Mind you, I am one that never got the bad reputation of fanservice anyway.

The asari for a long time only mated with there selfs, and unlike the other races they only have one gender which is similar to a human female. Now all of a sudden it's taboo to date other asari and we see very little asari/female parings. That's my issue, I have no problem with asari dating males but what we see in ME is they prefer it and asari/asari parings are taboo. What :blink:

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Context would be good for this Jesse Houston tweet, I kind of recommend against Twitter rampages in general due to the oversimplified nature of the communication.

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Mash Mashington wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What twitter are you all talking about?


Blacklash93 wrote...

A tweet from Sr. Producer Jesse Houston:

"it's not just gay man shep it's also fem shep too! Liara isn't a girl!"

I don't agree about Liara, but going by that logic I'd say it's safe to say that the new f/f romance option won't be an Asari.

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paptschik wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Some asari would still date males, but majority should prefer asari or female humans, that's not the case in ME. We see the opposite and that's the issue that many people including me have. The asari as they are now, are fan service for males, which is a shame because they have alot of potential.

What potential do you mean exactly? To be a mostly gay race? Wouldn't THAT be fanservice for homosexuals then?
And can't everything be seen as fanservice for someone?

Mind you, I am one that never got the bad reputation of fanservice anyway.


Well, one would think an all-female race that originally reproduced with other members of that same all female race would develop standards of attractiveness based on a feminine body. One would think being into girls would be more common than not. Though I suppose that the asari have had a while to adjust to the existence of males.

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SennenScale wrote...

paptschik wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Some asari would still date males, but majority should prefer asari or female humans, that's not the case in ME. We see the opposite and that's the issue that many people including me have. The asari as they are now, are fan service for males, which is a shame because they have alot of potential.

What potential do you mean exactly? To be a mostly gay race? Wouldn't THAT be fanservice for homosexuals then?
And can't everything be seen as fanservice for someone?

Mind you, I am one that never got the bad reputation of fanservice anyway.


Well, one would think an all-female race that originally reproduced with other members of that same all female race would develop standards of attractiveness based on a feminine body. One would think being into girls would be more common than not. Though I suppose that the asari have had a while to adjust to the existence of males.


they don't have concept of gender.  and concidering that they mate and bond with species that don't even look humanoid - I tend to beleive the assertion that asari DO in fact judge atractiveness by mental compatibility, rather then visual one.

or to reiterate some of the arguments made her earlier defending s/s relationship with Garrus or Thane.  they are already alien.  how is gender more important then the fact that they are not even the same species (or in case of Garrus - DNA chirrality)

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You're a wise man.

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Mash Mashington wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What twitter are you all talking about?


Blacklash93 wrote...

A tweet from Sr. Producer Jesse Houston:

"it's not just gay man shep it's also fem shep too! Liara isn't a girl!"

I don't agree about Liara, but going by that logic I'd say it's safe to say that the new f/f romance option won't be an Asari.


Well,

Liara is a woman.

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Mr.House wrote...

paptschik wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Some asari would still date males, but majority should prefer asari or female humans, that's not the case in ME. We see the opposite and that's the issue that many people including me have. The asari as they are now, are fan service for males, which is a shame because they have alot of potential.

What potential do you mean exactly? To be a mostly gay race? Wouldn't THAT be fanservice for homosexuals then?
And can't everything be seen as fanservice for someone?

Mind you, I am one that never got the bad reputation of fanservice anyway.

The asari for a long time only mated with there selfs, and unlike the other races they only have one gender which is similar to a human female. Now all of a sudden it's taboo to date other asari and we see very little asari/female parings. That's my issue, I have no problem with asari dating males but what we see in ME is they prefer it and asari/asari parings are taboo. What :blink:


Well, how long has it been since Asari have been in contact with other races? I mean...that should be quite a while, should it not? I may be wrong.

Humans are the new ones and they seem to be very open to go for all kinds of alien species. Asari loving males isn't any weirder to me. (which is barely weird to begin with, but again, I'm a supporter of interspecies romance)

Maybe Asari see males as something "new and interesting"?

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jlb524 wrote...

Well,

Liara is a woman.


And here I thought no spoilers were allowed in this forum.

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SennenScale wrote...

paptschik wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Some asari would still date males, but majority should prefer asari or female humans, that's not the case in ME. We see the opposite and that's the issue that many people including me have. The asari as they are now, are fan service for males, which is a shame because they have alot of potential.

What potential do you mean exactly? To be a mostly gay race? Wouldn't THAT be fanservice for homosexuals then?
And can't everything be seen as fanservice for someone?

Mind you, I am one that never got the bad reputation of fanservice anyway.


Well, one would think an all-female race that originally reproduced with other members of that same all female race would develop standards of attractiveness based on a feminine body. One would think being into girls would be more common than not. Though I suppose that the asari have had a while to adjust to the existence of males.


Or giant killer lizards that don't want to insult people by not killing them. :lol:

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AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
 Asari would never consider mating with a male from any mammalian species good idea or even feasible. It


I don't agree with this at all, while, yes I believe they should be more prone to mate with females I see no reason why others would consider copulating with males.  

Did you mean to say "wouldn't"?

I've had many lengthy discussions about this and I believe that intercourse as humans know it would not be of any interest to an Asari, and in fact could be painful or even damaging to her internal organs. They have a birth canal, but since their main pleasure center is not located in the vagina (and there is not even implied evidence that they derive any pleasure at all from intercourse), due to not using it as a way to conceive offspring, there would be no desire or reasoning to even allow penetration by a mammalian male. There are plenty of ways a male could be pleased, but male instinctual programming would almost always push them towards intercourse as humans know it.

But that is off topic so I will leave it there.


Your basing your theories on idle speculation though,  and in a way I find it a tad laughable that someone who seems to be championing homosexuality would outright state that it doesn't make sense for an Asari to want to have sex with a male.  It just kind of boggles my mind.

Actually, quite the opposite. Saying that Asari(females) should not be interested in males and should be in other females IS supporting homosexuality, in that they should be with other females. I believe my speculations are somewhat educated, from the lore and the information about the species, and  dialog along the way through the series.
I am not the only one that has this viewpoint either.