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[lovgreno]

I wonder who the new people playing both teams will be? Or something like that. My gaydar always scored high for Kaidan and Ashley.

[Lenimph]

 "not necessarily true"

 Sounds pretty true to me.

[jlb524]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Hm. Points to maybe new characters for s/s, and not old ones? Interesting. 

I personally prefer that (not liking any of the previous romances besides Liara).  However, I also think they could realistically make an older LI available if they go that route.

[Darth Death]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
Again, if it were so then the male shep would've had options to romance other male characters. There would be love scene, romance dialogue, etc, but there isn't any in the cases of both ME and ME2. 

Ah, there is cut dialogue from both games for male romance. It just got cut out at the last moment. So they were certainly thinking about it but all I can think is executive meddling jumped in.

What I'm trying to understand is why this is such an issue for you. I don't make a issue out of other people having their FemShep's romance Kaiden/Thane/Garrus/Jacob etc, I even think FemShep/Garrus is quite sweet - specifically because my Shepard is only interested in women.

Like your Shepard is only interested in the opposite gender.

As I said, you're not specifically going to follow a male romance with your Shepard, so why are you so worried? Because someone elses Shepard will romance a dude? Why does that bother you? It's their game with their Shepard. They aren't hijacking your game and your Shepard and forcing him to romance a guy.

I'm so confused by these people

I'm not talking about MY shep, I'm talking about the male shep in general. That's apparently what you( and many others) failed to comprehend. 

[ElitePinecone]

Wereparrot wrote...

My opinions may already have been expressed, but they weren't on the first page and I'm not ready all these pages, so here goes.

Regardless of any rubbish you may give me about Liara, who is neither male nor female but something entirely different according to the nature of the asari existence, Shepherd was established in ME1 as straight. Bioware had an opportunity to make Shepherd bi with ME2 and they missed it, and an opportunity of this kind will not present itself again. Bioware have brought their flagship franchise into disrepute, and compromised the integrity of the main character. All I will say is: political correctness is a poor substitute for character integrity. The same thing happened with Anders in DAII: by what he said in Awakening he is clearly straight, but Bioware raped his character in DAII for whatever reason.

Noted - though your overreaction is a little extreme. Calm down a little and be happy that people are getting options. More options for other people doesn't mean less options for you. 

[DaeJi]

MrDizaztar wrote...

Look at Casey's newest tweet

There you go, new bi (probably) love interests.

[Clonedzero]

i think a big issue here is the fact that alot of you are looking at this from a sexual studys point of view while im looking at it from a purely writing and story telling point of view.

im not denying that people can secretly be bi or gay without giving off any vibes, im not saying people cant come to the conclusion that they are bi or gay later in life than usual. ive actually personally known people that cover both of those.

my point is PURELY from a writing perspective. its really bad to just add in new facts late in a story that changes things in a significant manner.yes its possible jacob was bi all along, but if he just suddenly revealed it then it would be lazy writing. thats what im concerned about.

if they were to add in previously unknown backstory to show that they are bi then it'd really have to be connected to existing backstory in a significant way for it to be believable. adding in "oh he had a male lover for awhile a couple years ago" is stupid.

its not so much about taking a character and making them bi, its about taking a character making them bi and having people actually believe it. sure they could just say garrus has always been bi, but that would just create alot of "huh? wtf? that makes no sense" reactions. you have to somehow make it believable. thats why garrus is such a bad choice for a s/s relationship, it'd be SUPER hard to "sell" him being bi.

like i said, this is like a writing puzzle, we're adding in a new piece. their "bi-ness". with alot of characters that piece would click into place FAR easier than others. when creating new stories for characters it should be easy to set them into it. if you have to force the change then its probably a really bad idea.

from a writing perspective i think kaidan and joker are the two best candidates for a male s/s relationship. and i think ashley and liara would be alright choices for f/f though i dont know if liara counts in that category, and ashley would take a bit more work than any of the others.

[Fault Girl]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Nothing is contradicted.  Bisexuals have relationships with the opposite gender.  Garrus recounted the tale of one of his relationships with the opposite gender.
Therefore he fits half the requirements of being bisexual, and omission of his relationships with men is not evidence.

So if people don't clarify that they are straight from the get go then they can be assumed to be bisexual until told?

You can assume anything about anyone until you learn otherwise, yes.

But it's not about assuming that Garrus (or anyone else) is bisexual so much as it is accepting that you don't know for sure.

I agree, as we never know everything unless people tells us but the way my head works I wouldn't think someone was bi unless they told me so that's my misgivings. I think people kinda have the PC's in their head as straight for the majority.

[ElitePinecone]

Lenimph wrote...

 "not necessarily true"

 Sounds pretty true to me.

I was thinking that, though he did go to some lengths to emphasize the 'new characters' bit. Makes me think it will be only new characters, in the end. Not a bad outcome by any means. 

I could be bark raving mad, though. Certainly wouldn't turn down an old character romance if it was written well. 

[Ryzaki]

DaeJi wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

Look at Casey's newest tweet

There you go, new bi (probably) love interests.

I want it to be Joker for the connection throughout the series. 

At least the the m/m option would've been in the game if nothing else. 

[SennenScale]

Black Raptor wrote...

Maybe being gay was never frowned upon in certain alien cultures and because of that, certain alien romance options never bothered to mention they had been with in s/s relationships, because to them it was a non-issue.

I will send Bioware a love letter if this is the case. Would be quite the statement!

[Ashira Shepard]

Black Raptor wrote...

Maybe being gay was never frowned upon in certain alien cultures and because of that, certain alien romance options never bothered to mention they had been with in s/s relationships, because to them it was a non-issue.

I can't see it being an issue among Turians, mostly because of their gender equality - what we can make of it anyway - since every single Turian is required to enter the military for citizenship. This also gives them the view point that there is no such thing as a Turian civilian, and therefore no issue over killing women because they are teh weaker and more delicate of teh speciez.

They don't have that as they're all equal to each other in terms of gender. I could be wrong, but I doubt they have much issue on who you love so long as you're a good Turian who follows orders and doesn't step out of line.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Clonedzero wrote...
yes its possible jacob was bi all along, but if he just suddenly revealed it then it would be lazy writing. thats what im concerned about.

Oh, please.  He has to reveal it sometime, and in order for it to be "good writing" he doesn't need to drop a lot of hints behorehand.

That's just lazy thinking.

[DaeJi]

Clonedzero wrote...

i think a big issue here is the fact that alot of you are looking at this from a sexual studys point of view while im looking at it from a purely writing and story telling point of view.

You need to look at it from a gameplay point of view though. You have points, ones that I personally think are weak but still points, but the Mass Effect series is first and foremost a game. Not only that, it is a BioWare game. And despite the praise they get for their stories, the main selling point of a BioWare game is the player choice in determining how a story will play out. More options mean a better game.

[Ashira Shepard]

Darth Death wrote...
I'm not talking about MY shep, I'm talking about the male shep in general. That's apparently what you( and many others) failed to comprehend. 

That doesn't make any sense though, you can't just assume "the" male shep is straight. That would assume that "the" male shep is question is a "canon" shep that everyone adhers to.

There is no "canon" Shepard. So there's no way you can just declare him straight and say that's the only path. That's not how others play him.

[The Halfman]

cachx wrote...

Some game sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both m&f chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in #ME3

I thought it was confirmed there were no new Lis...

There seems to be three possibilities
1) straight chars now bi is true : not flat out denied
2) New char romance (only Vega has been confirmed new + most old crew) means maybe 1-2 bi romance
3) Romances are no longer squad only.

I will be disappointed if they re-wright the companions depending on Shepard's gender, thats IMO the sin of writing. Bioware was saying they had a smaller squad now so they cant add many new chars and it was stated there were no additional romances.

Therefore surely either they have re-wrote companions or the romances are coming from outside the squad.

[Lenimph]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

 "not necessarily true"

 Sounds pretty true to me.

I was thinking that, though he did go to some lengths to emphasize the 'new characters' bit. Makes me think it will be only new characters, in the end. Not a bad outcome by any means. 

I could be bark raving mad, though. Certainly wouldn't turn down an old character romance if it was written well. 

If it was just the new characters why doesn't he just say so?  If he can confirm new characters that will be bi, why can't he confirm that old ones wont? 
Someone of the old crew will be getting bitten by the love bug.

Modifié par Lenimph, 16 mai 2011 - 04:06 .

[Darth Death]

DaeJi wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Let me ask you this: At anytime, where could you romance another male character in both ME & ME2 while playing as the male shep? Please provide some solid evidence. 

Don't need to, Mass Effect 3 gay Shepard! Mass Effect 3 gay Shepard! Mass Effect 3 gay Shepard! Mass Effect 3 gay Shepard! Mass Effect 3 gay Shepard!

Also, Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are not the complete story of Shepard and whatever romance anyone decided or decides to pursue will be completed in Mass Effect 3. And in case you do not know this, and you don't, most action stories that contain a romance subplot have it pay off in the third act.

I have just defeated you in an internet argument. Any post that does not admit defeat will be petty. 

I see, so what I expected is true. You & many others are in denial. Thanks for confirming that.

[klusps]

I kinda find it silly that male Shepard can all of a sudden pursue same-sex romance. If they're including it in ME3, I don't see why they couldn't have introduced it in the beginning of the trilogy. Now my male Shepard, who I wanted him to be gay in the first place, is actually bisexual just because I romanced Miranda because I would never have guessed Bioware would include same-sex romance in the third game. 

Oh well, I guess I shouldn't complain because they at least have the option now. Might think about playing the first two games again just so I can set up for a same-sex romance.

[erilben]

lovgreno wrote...

I wonder who the new people playing both teams will be? Or something like that. My gaydar always scored high for Kaidan and Ashley.

Kaidan and Ashley are the least likely. One of them always must be dead, and the same sex VS is dead on default.

[SilentK]

Ryzaki wrote...

CubbieBlue66 wrote...
Please don't tell me it's gonna be another "they're gay if you're a dude. they're straight if you're a chick" system like in DA2. I never could muster up any emotion about any of the potential LI in that game... in large part because having such a key characteristic as their sexuality so nebulously defined detracted from their character.

 

That's...an odd reason not to be able to care about someone.  Ah well your loss was my gain. I connected with al of them because of that. 

Worked wonders for me too, I loved the DA2 system. I guess that they might not make all the LI:s available in ME3. I'm hoping for Tali for F!Shep. Ash is a close second.    <3

[lazuli]

erilben wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

I wonder who the new people playing both teams will be? Or something like that. My gaydar always scored high for Kaidan and Ashley.

Kaidan and Ashley are the least likely. One of them always must be dead, and the same sex VS is dead on default.

Good point, but this may be changed for ME3.  Aren't new players getting the ability to choose some of the event outcomes from previous games?

[jlb524]

Darth Death wrote...

I see, so what I expected is true. You & many others are in denial. Thanks for confirming that.

I don't see any denial here.

[Cootie]

Ryzaki wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

cachx wrote...

Some game sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both m&f chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in #ME3

This is from Casey Hudson's Twitter.

More clarification is good. 

Hm. Points to maybe new characters for s/s, and not old ones? Interesting. 

That better mean Joker. 

Although I think what he means by that is that they won't take the DA2-route, so he's trying to calm the storm before it even starts.
I still think SOME old LI's will be Shepsexual, and others will be static, as well as some new Shepardsexual LI's. Possibly.

[Ashira Shepard]

Darth Death wrote...
I see, so what I expected is true. You & many others are in denial. Thanks for confirming that.

And to this...

Rob Nash said...
I get sick of listening to straight people complain about, "Well, hey, we don't have a heterosexual-pride day, why do you need a gay-pride day?" I remember when I was a kid I'd always ask my mom:  "Why don't we have a Kid's Day?  We have a Mother's Day and a Father's Day, but why don't we have a Kid's Day?"  My mom would always say, "Every day is Kid's Day." To all those heterosexuals that **** about gay pride, I say the same thing:  Every day is heterosexual-pride day!  Can't you people enjoy your banquet and not ****** on those of us enjoying our crumbs over here in the corner? 

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 16 mai 2011 - 04:10 .