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[Ashira Shepard]

@SilentNuke

I approve of these images...

[Ozzyfan223]

I do hope Samara turns out to be a romance option, although hoping for that isn't very logical seeing as it most likely won't happen.

but we can hope.

[SilentNukee]

AshiraShepard wrote...

@SilentNuke

I approve of these images...

This one's pretty good too if you haven't seen it: http://fc03.devianta...dle-d3ec3db.jpg
I'm not too big on Miranda s/s romance, though.

[Clonedzero]

this thread just got weird.....i mean weirder.

.........not that theres anything wrong with that.
*waits for more f/f fanart?*

[InvincibleHero]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

This is actually a good thing to discuss—what aspect of the straight romances would we change? This thread is about wider options, and not JUST about same-sex stuff.

I renew my call for MShep to get shot down. Dammit, every female should not be hot for this guy. I'd also like to see an LI that would only really be open to romance if you're the 'right' personality for them - LIs that are vocal about being compatible with Shep only if Shep's Paragon, Renegade, or even pragmatic/Neutral. Nothing annoyed me more than being able to romance Morrigan in DA:O with my goody-two-shoes mage. If people want to complain about bad character writing, that's bad character writing, IMO.

Without spoiling Morrigan has an ulterior motive to go after any male Warden. Fits her character/motivations. There are rightful pieces of BW games with poor writing but that isn't one of them.

[Ashira Shepard]

I liked that you could only express attraction towards Samara if you were Paragon :3

[Ryzaki]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

This is actually a good thing to discuss—what aspect of the straight romances would we change? This thread is about wider options, and not JUST about same-sex stuff.

I renew my call for MShep to get shot down. Dammit, every female should not be hot for this guy. I'd also like to see an LI that would only really be open to romance if you're the 'right' personality for them - LIs that are vocal about being compatible with Shep only if Shep's Paragon, Renegade, or even pragmatic/Neutral. Nothing annoyed me more than being able to romance Morrigan in DA:O with my goody-two-shoes mage. If people want to complain about bad character writing, that's bad character writing, IMO.

Without spoiling Morrigan has an ulterior motive to go after any male Warden. Fits her character/motivations. There are rightful pieces of BW games with poor writing but that isn't one of them.

Not really considering those same motvations should go for Alistair (when the Warden is female) yet she...instead does the exact opposite and utterly stupid thing to do. 

I really do shake my head when she claims to be manipulative. A true manipulator doesn't need to brag about it. 

[Abispa]

Ryzaki wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

This is actually a good thing to discuss—what aspect of the straight romances would we change? This thread is about wider options, and not JUST about same-sex stuff.

I renew my call for MShep to get shot down. Dammit, every female should not be hot for this guy. I'd also like to see an LI that would only really be open to romance if you're the 'right' personality for them - LIs that are vocal about being compatible with Shep only if Shep's Paragon, Renegade, or even pragmatic/Neutral. Nothing annoyed me more than being able to romance Morrigan in DA:O with my goody-two-shoes mage. If people want to complain about bad character writing, that's bad character writing, IMO.

Without spoiling Morrigan has an ulterior motive to go after any male Warden. Fits her character/motivations. There are rightful pieces of BW games with poor writing but that isn't one of them.

Not really considering those same motvations should go for Alistair (when the Warden is female) yet she...instead does the exact opposite and utterly stupid thing to do. 

I really do shake my head when she claims to be manipulative. A true manipulator doesn't need to brag about it. 

One of the things that must be really tough for game writers is to know just how subtle one can be and hope the gamer picks up on it. Sometimes I think that Bioware beats certain plot points into us just to make sure we get it.

[ExtremeOne]

Tommy6860 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

As I have said I have no issue with seeing 2 women have sex . But 2 men having sex is disgusting and it has always been something I do not like at all.  Oh I hear people on complianing about the rage over this . Did you really think Bioware could do this with 0ut having some backlash .  Th

What about thoee who would find it disgusting to find fs/s encounters? If going by your standards, that should works the same way (my wife sees this conversation annoyingly funny). Would seeing a m/f be half-disgusting? Seriously, just don't make the choices where you have that encounter, you make the choices anyway. It really isn't that hard and everyone gets the win/win.

EDIT: Bioware, please fix the formatting of these forums, I hate losing what I type and placing text in another format, then copying and pasting it back gorfs the reply.

   



male and male sex is something I find disgusting and sick. I have no problem in making a statment by not buying ME 3 as a way to show my dis like for the content EA added to the game.  EA made a choice and in my opinion it is the wrong choice . I am not asking for no one to follow my standard . But I will not just bow down and say sure Bioware what ever you do is fine with me .  It may be optional content but that content is in the game with no way to disable it.  I am not changing my moral standards because of a video game .  

[SilentNukee]

Aw yeah, the f/f loving. Hmm..

Modifié par SilentNukee, 21 mai 2011 - 11:15 .

[LiquidGrape]

Ignore the troll above me, people. We've had a good thing going here.

Never mind, SilentNukee provided an excellent distraction.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 21 mai 2011 - 11:15 .

[G1MEE50K]

I feel that it may be nice to have all characters as a possibility for a same sex relationship, it would be something i would like to mess around with and experience.

[G1MEE50K]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

As I have said I have no issue with seeing 2 women have sex . But 2 men having sex is disgusting and it has always been something I do not like at all.  Oh I hear people on complianing about the rage over this . Did you really think Bioware could do this with 0ut having some backlash .  Th

What about thoee who would find it disgusting to find fs/s encounters? If going by your standards, that should works the same way (my wife sees this conversation annoyingly funny). Would seeing a m/f be half-disgusting? Seriously, just don't make the choices where you have that encounter, you make the choices anyway. It really isn't that hard and everyone gets the win/win.

EDIT: Bioware, please fix the formatting of these forums, I hate losing what I type and placing text in another format, then copying and pasting it back gorfs the reply.

   



male and male sex is something I find disgusting and sick. I have no problem in making a statment by not buying ME 3 as a way to show my dis like for the content EA added to the game.  EA made a choice and in my opinion it is the wrong choice . I am not asking for no one to follow my standard . But I will not just bow down and say sure Bioware what ever you do is fine with me .  It may be optional content but that content is in the game with no way to disable it.  I am not changing my moral standards because of a video game .  

Romance is always just an option, it's not like their forcing you to have a same sex relationship, it's merely going to be an option, thus you should have nothing to worry about 

[Siansonea]

We pretty much always ignore ExtremeOne LG.

[SilentNukee]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Ignore the troll above me, people. We've had a good thing going here.

Never mind, SilentNukee provided an excellent distraction.

LOL.

[Ryzaki]

Loving the pic where Shepard is running from Miranda's rage. XD

[Zulmoka531]

I wonder how people would react to Kael'reeger (SP?) if he was introduced as a s/s romance, being a quarian and all...

[G1MEE50K]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

I wonder how people would react to Kael'reeger (SP?) if he was introduced as a s/s romance, being a quarian and all...

I think that would be quite interesting 

[paptschik]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

As I have said I have no issue with seeing 2 women have sex . But 2 men having sex is disgusting and it has always been something I do not like at all.  Oh I hear people on complianing about the rage over this . Did you really think Bioware could do this with 0ut having some backlash .  Th

What about thoee who would find it disgusting to find fs/s encounters? If going by your standards, that should works the same way (my wife sees this conversation annoyingly funny). Would seeing a m/f be half-disgusting? Seriously, just don't make the choices where you have that encounter, you make the choices anyway. It really isn't that hard and everyone gets the win/win.

EDIT: Bioware, please fix the formatting of these forums, I hate losing what I type and placing text in another format, then copying and pasting it back gorfs the reply.

   



male and male sex is something I find disgusting and sick. I have no problem in making a statment by not buying ME 3 as a way to show my dis like for the content EA added to the game.  EA made a choice and in my opinion it is the wrong choice . I am not asking for no one to follow my standard . But I will not just bow down and say sure Bioware what ever you do is fine with me .  It may be optional content but that content is in the game with no way to disable it.  I am not changing my moral standards because of a video game .  

EA? What? Bioware has done this a lot. This, right now, is nothing new for Bioware...I doubt EA had anything to do with this.

[paptschik]

SilentNukee wrote...



Aw yeah, the f/f loving. Hmm..

Am I the only one that never liked the dress? I love more outfits for my Shepard, but the dress...it didn't suit any FemShep I have seen so far.

[paptschik]

Siansonea II wrote...

We pretty much always ignore ExtremeOne LG.

Sheesh, why didn't I get the memo?

[paptschik]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

I wonder how people would react to Kael'reeger (SP?) if he was introduced as a s/s romance, being a quarian and all...

Nothing would stop me from shipping Kal'Reegar and Tali. NOTHING!

[Erani]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

I wonder how people would react to Kael'reeger (SP?) if he was introduced as a s/s romance, being a quarian and all...

I approve. 

[jeweledleah]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

I wonder how people would react to Kael'reeger (SP?) if he was introduced as a s/s romance, being a quarian and all...

oh..my god... now that you put that though into my head, I cannot stop thinking abou it... it would be awesome.. possibly more awesome then joker...  oh I want that... I'd create a whole new Shepard who would probably look like Nathan Fillion (or as close as I could manage)  just for that...  what?  :innocent:

[Eromenos]

jeweledleah wrote...

sigh.  again you are missing a point.  I'm not suggesting that they should come out in any way.  I'm assuming for the purposes of the story that they were already bi and to be honest, I would prefer it if they were shown as knowing they were bi, vs discovering through the magic of Shepard that they could be bi.  they simply didn't see same sex Shepard in a romantic light in ME1.  is this plausible, yes?  it fits within already existing story, yes? 

Yes, I agree in that they were already "fully bi." Let's hope BioWare agrees too.

However....

ability of Kaidan or Ashley or anyone else to fall in love with same sex Shepard is not in question here. but, what I personaly don't want to see is a scenario where they were in love with same sex Shepard starting with Eden prime, but instead of stumbling all over themselves and slipping up and showing it at every opportunity like they did with oposite sex Shepard, they instead hid it.  hid it so well that there's no indication of them ever hiding it.  revealing that they were hiding all these feelings?  changes their personality, as in ME1 they do not come across as capable of hiding their feelings or opinions, unless told to shut up - with either sex Shepard. even in ME2, on Horizon which I personaly concider to be iffy writing (becasue they act too similary to each other and have practicaly identical dialogue, not to mention animations) - they aren't exactly hiding how they feel.  do you see where i'm going with this, i hope? 

I'm speaking purely from the perspective of the story we know so far, all the possible variations of it.

I'm not so keen on this part. I did not pursue romances with them, so I don't know how far their candidness extends during such relationships. What I did get to have was Gibbed's Mass Effect 2 Save Editor, and from there I was able to toggle a "seamless" past romance on between Kaidan and ManShepard. As it turns out, the interactions with our past crewmate and/or LI are more even more egregious than you stated. Aside for a hug and a couple lines, everything that goes on feels skin-deep and rushed. I mean that is the entire sum of ME2, but as you said, for the purposes of fleshing out our various connections to Ashley or Kaidan, I don't put much stock in it.

I would rather that they did have romantic interest in our same-sex Shepards, albeit simply that they didn't feel strongly enough to act on them during ME1. Same-sex or opposite-sex, if Shepard begins a new relationship with a past friend named Kaidan or Ashley from ME1, it's not retconning if Shepard discovers he or she had a past attraction. In fact, we as Shepard may even choose to say that we held a torch for them at the time. Why not? It doesn't need to be a big thing. But labeling that possibility as blatant retcon is going too far. Why couldn't they have always felt something for Shepard? I'm not suggesting melodrama here; Kaidan and Ashley both seem pretty sure of themselves as sexual beings, and it could easily be an upbeat, flirtatious, intimate, easygoing "confirmation" of latent feelings for Shepard that had been there from the start. As for us it comes down to choice...those who would prefer to have things be fresh new territory can treat this as a new development, but those of us who want to "establish" deeper subtext and connection with Kaidan or Ashley reaching back to ME1 should at least be given the option.

I think there should be a slightly different start to a new romantic relationship between VS and Shepard.  before you get angry - start, intro, not the entire relationship, just a start of it.  why?  becasue dynamic is different.  one is friend  to lover, the other is old infatuation that they got over - being rekindled.  and I feel Iike I need to say this again - this has nothing to do with anyone's sexual orientation, only prior history.  I want that history to be aknowledged.  the same way I would like it if whether you renegaded/paragonned them was aknowledged.  same way  Garrus treats you slightly differently depending on whether you recruited him in ME1 or not.  same way as the conversation between a woman and her brother-in-law changes on the Wards, depending on whether you encouraged that they geneticaly modify her child, or tell him to respect her wishes about no genetic modifications.  the same way the news blurbs change depending on which choices you made in various missions during ME1.

its a minor thing, but it makes the world feel reacher, more immersive.

I think I understand where you're going. If same-sex or opposite-sex Shepard had a platonic relationship with Kaidan or Ashley, then yes that should be acknowledged. I use "if" in air-quotes regarding the same-sex Shepards who were given no choice, alas...while opposite-sex Shepards who pursued romances would be treated as an old flame, right? I've got no problem with that, it does make sense.

The only thing we disagree about is the potential for Kaidan and Ashley to have harbored latent feelings towards Shepard. I don't think it damages any continuity if they'd liked Shepard all along. Regardless of Shepard's sex, regardless of Shepard's reaction, and regardless of the invisible restraints that barred same-sex Shepard from expressing interest and vice-versa. It would be awesome if the LI's feelings had "always been there." But it would be bad if such same-sex romances become stuck with a heavier burden of "having" to explain their validity to people who refuse to accept the so-called "change" in behavior.

Modifié par Eromenos, 21 mai 2011 - 11:40 .