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[thatguy212]

If they do add a new people to be a bisexual female, i hope they are voiced by grey delisle, love her voice

[jeweledleah]

@ Eromenos - having played through romance with Kaidan several times and encountering quitea few slipups "then there's no reason why they wouldn't like you..I mean humans.. commander", the "she was was beautiful, but not stuck up about it... like you", "I prefer adventurous women" just to name a few - while getting no such reactions from maleshep/femshep that stopped the romance after first conversation - I guess we'll agree to disagree.

after all, Kaidan and Ash mistake friendly interest for flirting as well, so who am I to judge.

edited to add - I had to reread your post again, and what I realized is that you haven't played through the romance in ME1.  I highly suggest that you do that if you have a chance, there's a distinct difference between a friend vs romantic relationship for both of them  the quotes I mentioned are from ME1.

I have a great deal of beef with Horizon.  for oh so many reasons.  Kaidan and Ashley having virtualy identical dialog.  like you mention, them having virtualy identical dialog whether you romanced them or not.  identical animations.  identical reactions even though they are very distinctly different characters in ME1.  Horison is a bad benchmark to judge their personalities by, there's a reason why so many of us hate it - it was borderline OOC for both of them, more so for Kaidan then Ash.  and lets not even talk about the horrible dialog otpions shepard gets there.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 21 mai 2011 - 11:43 .

[Abispa]

One thing that bothers me about some ME players is how they think a character "sucks" because s/he isn't "cool" or because s/he isn't someone they'd sleep with. Jacob is a particular victim of this. Just because he isn't a bad ass or because he isn't a guy they want to sleep with, the players admit that they actually metagame so that he doesn't survive the the suicide mission. Aside for the ****** poor handling of female Shepard's first Normandy conversation with him, I've had no problem with the character's role in ME2.

I am NOT a Samara fan. In other words, I don't think I'd like her if she was a real life individual, but I DO like her being a ME2 character. Her back-story and insights into Asari (and Specter) history was fascinating. Having a character that confounds or annoys my Shepard is a GOOD thing as far as I'm concern.

Jack is another character that I can't stand, but, again, I think she adds a lot to the ME2 story. And she gave me a new reason to despise Cerberus.

Two characters I don't like from a game point are Miranda and Thane. It's not that their personalities grated on me as much as I think they were badly written.

I had high hopes for Miranda, but immediately became disappointed. She quickly goes from a tough Alpha Female to rival my Shepard to the widdle girl with self-esteem problems who spends most of her conversations pouting instead of giving Shepard a hard time. Save her sister in a loyalty mission that stretches credulity (though the action was good and Enyala's line was priceless) and she tumbles on the engineering deck and reveals her wondrous no-lines bra. And once inseminated, the former top Cerberus operative turns on her father figure.

Thane is a mystery to me. In my games, he's easily replaceable and his story never moved me in the slightest. I'm happy he has his fan base, including a lot of gay males it seems, but I wonder how he gained the ability to absorb so many fans' projections of how cool he is in all the adventures we've never seen.

[Ashira Shepard]

Abispa wrote...
I had high hopes for Miranda, but immediately became disappointed. She quickly goes from a tough Alpha Female to rival my Shepard to the widdle girl with self-esteem problems who spends most of her conversations pouting instead of giving Shepard a hard time. Save her sister in a loyalty mission that stretches credulity (though the action was good and Enyala's line was priceless) and she tumbles on the engineering deck and reveals her wondrous no-lines bra. And once inseminated, the former top Cerberus operative turns on her father figure.

She does that anyway if she's loyal to you. Happened on my FemShep, and was rather cool to see her turn away from the bastard.

Abispa wrote...
Thane is a mystery to me. In my games, he's easily replaceable and his story never moved me in the slightest. I'm happy he has his fan base, including a lot of gay males it seems, but I wonder how he gained the ability to absorb so many fans' projections of how cool he is in all the adventures we've never seen.

I actually found his background heartbreaking and really wanted to make sure his son didn't follow the same path.

[Abispa]

@ AshiraShepard -- I know that Thane's story had all the elements of a good tragic drama, but playing through it didn't move me at all, except for the compassion shown by the police chief. Maybe it was the acting more than the writing, but nothing about Thane's VA registered as "bad" for me. Just my opinion.

[jeweledleah]

the issue with Miranda is that as far as I know she had no dedicated writer. so she goes from suspicious operative to easily impressed sycophant in one mission, then she goes back to cool and collected and very sure of herself, then suddenly switches to insecure and tortured, then softens, then chills again... she's very inconsistent.

She just needs a dedicated writer who will keep watch on all her reactions - that should do wonders for her characterization.

As for Thane... I think she might be suffering a syndrome of "drell encyclopedia" coupled with "we tried to make a character that would be an attractive romantic interest" It took me a long long time to warm up to him and he's still not one of my favorites, by far

[Destroy Raiden_]

I wish they didn't make Fshep all hot for Jacob all I wanted to do was be nice to him and the up right response to me most times fit best with our conversation in sum up but in reality she was all, " Come to my place Mr. Taylor," and I'm like, " Wow hold your horses shep! I'm not even interested in him!" He's a nice guy but due to her sexual harassment of the man I can't talk to him I only made it to convo 2 and stopped I'm disappointed Jacob won't be in ME3 because he had potential and he was the only one who was working with Cerberus but had principles that didn't jive with theirs I wanted to know more about him but due to the heavy language I can't.

Jack was the opposite you try and try to be nice to her then she pulls out the **** me card and I'm like wow Jack no thanks for both M and Fsheps. I get why she takes it all wrong so it's not cringe worthy like talking to Jacob is.

I think to do anything romance wise they should institute the left top bracket for romance options for those romanceable or already being romanced by the player. The bracket would work similarly to the investigate option that sometimes pops up on the left middle side of the bracket. Once clicked a submenu would open up with simple phrases like we got in SB so you'll see flirt, entice, relationship, plans, romance clicking each option will give a different dialogue the romance part would get you a physical touch, the relationship one would allow you two to talk about your relationship your plans both with one another and alone, ect. entice asks so and so to come up to deck 1 withyou.

[Eromenos]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Actually, quite the opposite. Saying that Asari(females) should not be interested in males and should be in other females IS supporting homosexuality, in that they should be with other females. I believe my speculations are somewhat educated, from the lore and the information about the species, and  dialog along the way through the series.
I am not the only one that has this viewpoint either.

It  supports homosexuality yes,  that's not what's getting to me.  What you are suggesting though,  is essentially that Asari should only prefer to company of woman...  which sounds rather similiar to humans should only prefer to opposite sex.  Or does alternate sexuality bother you if it is outside what you consider normal?    You just sound a bit hypocritical.

I have a problem with the "pureblood" stigma being used as an excuse to exploit/push asari into the arms of gamers, or at least on our senses thanks so much to the strip joints in both games so far. That might be what Sunnie is saying too, I dunno.

We know the asari began and existed for a long time as women who lived, loved, built, fought, and reminisced together. They happen to be a significant power in the known galaxy amidst other races, and I say they'd be powerful/influential even without playing up to male human-centric titillation. And yet they are made to play up to that titillation. That's got little to do with "evolving cultural horizons." It is a cop-out that assumes an hourglass-species must assume a path of least resistance to do well in a galaxy oh-so-coincidentally fixated on binary gender norms that mainstream humans accept today.

Modifié par Eromenos, 22 mai 2011 - 12:10 .

[paptschik]

Eromenos wrote...

We know the asari began and existed for a long time as women who lived, loved, built, fought, and reminisced together. They happen to be a significant power in the known galaxy amidst other races, and I say they'd be powerful/influential even without playing up to male human-centric titillation. And yet they are made to play up to that titillation. That's got little to do with "evolving cultural horizons." It is a cop-out that assumes an hourglass-species must assume a path of least resistance to do well in a galaxy oh-so-coincidentally fixated on binary gender norms that mainstream humans accept today.

So...what, more male human strippers and we're good?

[Eromenos]

AshiraShepard wrote...

@SilentNuke

I approve of these images...

As do I! *thumbs up*

[InvincibleHero]

Ryzaki wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

This is actually a good thing to discuss—what aspect of the straight romances would we change? This thread is about wider options, and not JUST about same-sex stuff.

I renew my call for MShep to get shot down. Dammit, every female should not be hot for this guy. I'd also like to see an LI that would only really be open to romance if you're the 'right' personality for them - LIs that are vocal about being compatible with Shep only if Shep's Paragon, Renegade, or even pragmatic/Neutral. Nothing annoyed me more than being able to romance Morrigan in DA:O with my goody-two-shoes mage. If people want to complain about bad character writing, that's bad character writing, IMO.

Without spoiling Morrigan has an ulterior motive to go after any male Warden. Fits her character/motivations. There are rightful pieces of BW games with poor writing but that isn't one of them.

Not really considering those same motvations should go for Alistair (when the Warden is female) yet she...instead does the exact opposite and utterly stupid thing to do. 

I really do shake my head when she claims to be manipulative. A true manipulator doesn't need to brag about it. 

The same Alistair that loathes Morrigan and is ingrained in his character.  She would see zero chance to get what she wants from Alistair. Given the lack of male viable wardens that is so. (Not giving away spoilers too much I hope.)

[Ryoko]

Hm, I hope ALL the characters aren't going bi.......

[Ryzaki]

InvincibleHero wrote...
The same Alistair that loathes Morrigan and is ingrained in his character.  She would see zero chance to get what she wants from Alistair. Given the lack of male viable wardens that is so. (Not giving away spoilers too much I hope.)

He only loathes her because she stupidly goads him and makes hersef out to be the same kind of person he hates. 

Any manipulator knows how to completely hide his/her true personality and intentions. (Hello Flemeth). 

Morrigan somewhat fails at that. 

[Eromenos]

jeweledleah wrote...

@ Eromenos - having played through romance with Kaidan several times and encountering quitea few slipups "then there's no reason why they wouldn't like you..I mean humans.. commander", the "she was was beautiful, but not stuck up about it... like you", "I prefer adventurous women" just to name a few - while getting no such reactions from maleshep/femshep that stopped the romance after first conversation - I guess we'll agree to disagree.

after all, Kaidan and Ash mistake friendly interest for flirting as well, so who am I to judge.

edited to add - I had to reread your post again, and what I realized is that you haven't played through the romance in ME1.  I highly suggest that you do that if you have a chance, there's a distinct difference between a friend vs romantic relationship for both of them  the quotes I mentioned are from ME1.

Hmm...I think Ashley and Kaidan were both able to ninjamance me one time each. Not sure if I was allowed to break it off via the limited heterosexist dialogue choices, but my subsequent command-decision on Virmire settled any doubts. Gods know, after that happened twice I began to save game before talking to people. The most telling aspect I remember is the way they addressed me at the end of conversations, similar to the way Jacob does when he tried to ninjamance my FShepard. I think with Kaidan and Ashley, even our renegade choices were akin to the cop-out with Sha'ira, once we're trapped in a relationship with them. I believe you about the relationships feeling different during a romance as opposed to a friendship(or rivalry, so to speak). But I don't see how even that would get in the way of what I was proposing.

Perhaps a hetero Kaidan and Ashley can recall unrequited interest towards Shepard, assuming Shepard got caught in one of their ninjamances that he/she miraculously ended. (With or without ME2's "help?") If a platonic hetero Shepard managed to sidestep every landmine with those two during ME1 yet struck up a relationship with one of them during ME3, well then. This Shepard would have the exact same situation that a gay Shepard in ME3 would be in. Possibility of establishing past latent mutual attraction!

I have a great deal of beef with Horizon.  for oh so many reasons.  Kaidan and Ashley having virtualy identical dialog.  like you mention, them having virtualy identical dialog whether you romanced them or not.  identical animations.  identical reactions even though they are very distinctly different characters in ME1.  Horison is a bad benchmark to judge their personalities by, there's a reason why so many of us hate it - it was borderline OOC for both of them, more so for Kaidan then Ash.  and lets not even talk about the horrible dialog otpions shepard gets there.

Ugh. 'tis pathetic how we're only able to express emotion about the VS to...Joker and/or Kelly the Human Screen Saver.

Modifié par Eromenos, 22 mai 2011 - 12:46 .

[paptschik]

Ryzaki wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...
The same Alistair that loathes Morrigan and is ingrained in his character.  She would see zero chance to get what she wants from Alistair. Given the lack of male viable wardens that is so. (Not giving away spoilers too much I hope.)

He only loathes her because she stupidly goads him and makes hersef out to be the same kind of person he hates. 

Any manipulator knows how to completely hide his/her true personality and intentions. (Hello Flemeth). 

Morrigan somewhat fails at that. 

I always thought that was part of Morrigan's character and one I liked at that. She wasn't anywhere close to being what she herself wanted to be or thought of herself as. She barely has any experience in REALLY dealing with people, how could she possibly be a manipulator?
Leliana is a much better manipulator and despite her the "cuteness" of her romance, she also seems much more....well, experienced isn't the only thing I'm referring to here...I can see Leliana much more as someone using sex as a means to an end than I can see Morrigan. Which makes the bit near the end a tad weird of course, but I guess it was a special situation for her as well.

[Eromenos]

paptschik wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

We know the asari began and existed for a long time as women who lived, loved, built, fought, and reminisced together. They happen to be a significant power in the known galaxy amidst other races, and I say they'd be powerful/influential even without playing up to male human-centric titillation. And yet they are made to play up to that titillation. That's got little to do with "evolving cultural horizons." It is a cop-out that assumes an hourglass-species must assume a path of least resistance to do well in a galaxy oh-so-coincidentally fixated on binary gender norms that mainstream humans accept today.

So...what, more male human strippers and we're good?

Yep.

I only have a problem when particular groups get singled out for purposes that put them at a marked disadvantage in some BS hierarchies. In the case I was talking about, misogyny and homophobia. Though if it's equal-opportunity exploitation, I'm all for it.

Modifié par Eromenos, 22 mai 2011 - 12:50 .

[paptschik]

Eromenos wrote...
Kelly the Human Screen Saver.

Wut?

[paptschik]

Eromenos wrote...

paptschik wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

We know the asari began and existed for a long time as women who lived, loved, built, fought, and reminisced together. They happen to be a significant power in the known galaxy amidst other races, and I say they'd be powerful/influential even without playing up to male human-centric titillation. And yet they are made to play up to that titillation. That's got little to do with "evolving cultural horizons." It is a cop-out that assumes an hourglass-species must assume a path of least resistance to do well in a galaxy oh-so-coincidentally fixated on binary gender norms that mainstream humans accept today.

So...what, more male human strippers and we're good?

Yep.

I only have a problem when particular groups get singled out for purposes that put them at a marked disadvantage. In the case I was talking about, misogyny and homophobia. Though if it's equal-opportunity exploitation, I'm all for it.

It's weird that it's ONLY asari too. I can see it in some places, certainly Asari are the more popular choice, but SOME places should have a diverse number of strippers.
More exploitation for everyone!
Quarian lapdances and male strippers for ME3!

[paptschik]

lightsnow13 wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

If they do add a new people to be a bisexual female, i hope they are voiced by grey delisle, love her voice

Speaking of actors voicing characters -- I would love Mary Elizabeth McGlynn for a female character. Beautiful voice. For a male I hope they choose the guy in the trailer. I liked his voice! lol he will be british! sweet.

Someone should get Ron Perlman in there somewhere.

Also Nika Futterman, because her voice makes me feel good in all the right places. Oh how I love a hot female voice.

[Zulmoka531]

paptschik wrote...
Someone should get Ron Perlman in there somewhere.

Fallout style intro to ME3 with the Reapers and Ron Perlman? I'd...my head would explode from the awesomeness.

[jeweledleah]

Eromenos wrote...

Hmm...I think Ashley and Kaidan were both able to ninjamance me one time each. Not sure if I was allowed to break it off via the limited heterosexist dialogue choices, but my subsequent command-decision on Virmire settled any doubts. Gods know, after that happened twice I began to save game before talking to people. The most telling aspect I remember is the way they addressed me at the end of conversations, similar to the way Jacob does when he tried to ninjamance my FShepard. I think with Kaidan and Ashley, even our renegade choices were akin to the cop-out with Sha'ira, once we're trapped in a relationship with them. I believe you about the relationships feeling different during a romance as opposed to a friendship(or rivalry, so to speak). But I don't see how even that would get in the way of what I was proposing.

lets just put it this way - they never once tried to ninjamance same sex Shepard and never once mistook friendship for atraction with them.  Even blaming them for Eden Prime doesn't stop the attraction when they do feel it though.  to me, that's pretty telling, concidering I've been in situations where I thought someone was a friend, treated them as a friend and then found out that they were atracted (as well as being on the oposite side of that - let me tell you, its pretty heartbreaking when you are pining for them and they end up spilling their guts to you about someone else they are atracted to.)  you can even joke with them about other romantic interests and the conversation changes depending on your relationship status/gender. I guess "agree to disagree" will have to stand. 

btw - Jacob doesn't ninja mance anyone, it only sounds like femshep wants him - voice direction fail.  he's pretty difficult to romance unless you use come-ons so blatant, they might as well be sledge hammers. Miss one, and you are firmly in a friendzone (found that out after having to reload couple of time on a femshep that was actualy trying to romance him).  in fact you know that you manged to start a romance if he tells you that he hasn't though of you that way  (and even then, he can still break up with you, if you push him too hard about his father)

Modifié par jeweledleah, 22 mai 2011 - 01:01 .

[Eromenos]

paptschik wrote...

Eromenos wrote...
Kelly the Human Screen Saver.

Wut?

I never pass up a chance to deride that NPC. It's my way of saying she does nothing that EDI can't do better, and faster.

What is Kelly's reason for being there? "Cute (female, Katy Perry fake-lesbian)secretary."

I'm not coming down on people who actually get something out of her...quirks. My problem is that BioWare singles her out for exploitation in much the same way they do with the asari, as we were just talking about.