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[Eromenos]

lightsnow13 wrote...

Actually this helped your argument. For the first couple of comments I've seen you write I kept thinking "wtf is he saying? Does he not like gays or does he?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you want a character who can show both sides (gay and straight) respect. So..you wouldn't want Ash or Kaidan to be gay but would rather have a new character for a gay romance that is done in a respectable way. That's what I got from the post but maybe I'm totally off. But if what I said is true, then I have to agree with you. I would want new characters -- good characters.

btw, I don't know if you posted anything after this argument. So if you said otherwise sorry for wasting your time lol.

Hehe. Well...I want all the LIs to be available to us regardless of our sex. Including Kaidan and Ashley. More like, especially Kaidan and Ashley.

It would be ideal to have gay/straight/bi/trans options but such logistics are impossible. And in the past if there was a "mixture" of straight and bi LIs to supposedly include everyone, it ended up being 99% straight characters and 1% bisexuals. Usually that 1%(figuratively speaking) would be depicted by a male LI and a female LI. That's not good enough.

Given how the ME team lags far behind the DA team when it comes to sexuality, they'll probably play it safe and go with tokenization. i.e., "new characters." I'll be over the moon if they prove me wrong by actually going above and beyond in meeting/surpassing the minimum bar set by DA2...but what are the chances of that happening?

We may not fully agree. But when it comes to including more queerness, I'm sure we're both for it.

Modifié par Eromenos, 22 mai 2011 - 04:35 .

[Erani]

Celrath wrote...

Erani wrote...

 Just curious...Can Shepard watch movies/sports/the news in that big screen in the captain's room? The "glass" with the ship models, not sure what to call it. 
I'd be nice to chill in bed with LI, watch Titanic together or whatever.

*Writes down Movie Idea*

Titanic( in SPACE.. Space..space)

What Cel? My mom likes to watch Casablanca and that movie is like ancient...surely Shepard can get Titanic.
Kate Winslet's ginger beauty must be preserved.

[Blacklash93]

Did I start a twitter rampage by posting that Houston tweet? I was only pointing out that the new f/f LI will not be an Asari based on that logic, even if I (and the codex) don't agree with it. 

Modifié par Blacklash93, 22 mai 2011 - 05:56 .

[AngelicMachinery]

So, what do we want out of F/F then? Do you want to simply strip them of all sex appeal so those, naughty, naughty straight boys stop finding them titillating? Should we simply remove them because Lesbianism in and of itself does provide certain amounts of sexual pleasure to male players? It seems no matter what is done we’re going to find a reason to nitpick the hell out of it, unless of course it somehow serves to alienate a certain player base.

Hell, somehow I’ve damned women for enjoying the relationship between Liara and Femmeshep because males can use it as fetish fuel. Maybe I’ve been zombiefied by straight propaganda but, I’m not sure how any of this helps our cause in the end.

Admittedly, all I ever wanted out of the Fight for Love was for everyone to enjoy the various romances that Bioware has provided. I’m not really sure how to take any of this outside of scratching my head, and wondering if somehow I’ve been mistaken all along.

[Aurellia]

As I said before, I'd like new characters and be able to romance any of the existing characters, however I'd like to have flirt/relationship dialog for new lovers only enabled after you have given the character a romantic gift. For existing LI, gifts would unlock additional romantic scenes. To make it even better allow a second gift to do the same for new LIs.

I think this will give everyone what they want.  If you don't want Garrus to hit on you, tough guy, then don't give him flowers:)

Modifié par bioware-sucks, 22 mai 2011 - 06:00 .

[Zulmoka531]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

So, what do we want out of F/F
then? Do you want to simply strip them of all sex appeal so those,
naughty, naughty straight boys stop finding them titillating? Should we
simply remove them because Lesbianism in and of itself does provide
certain amounts of sexual pleasure to male players? It seems no matter
what is done we’re going to find a reason to nitpick the hell out of
it, unless of course it somehow serves to alienate a certain player
base.

Hell, somehow I’ve damned women for enjoying the
relationship between Liara and Femmeshep because males can use it as
fetish fuel. Maybe I’ve been zombiefied by straight propaganda but,
I’m not sure how any of this helps our cause in the end.

Admittedly,
all I ever wanted out of the Fight for Love was for everyone to enjoy
the various romances that Bioware has provided. I’m not really sure how
to take any of this outside of scratching my head, and wondering if
somehow I’ve been mistaken all along.

I don't think you're wrong in your intent. But so long as two people exist on this planet, someone is gonna do something to ****** someone off.
And everyone is guilty of taking things too seriously sometimes, insight is great, and respect and acceptance is something EVERYONE deserves.

I'm probably get labeled as something for this, but that's just the way it is. Changing the world is done one step at a time. For the most part everyone should be elated that Bioware is rectifying a mistake they made and doing what they can to keep all aspects of fans happy. I'd personally rather not be in their shoes...

Anyways, just to try and get back on topic again, I'd like to see the new romances done well, Ive very rarely disliked a Bioware character. While I am against adding the options to the established characters, it won't be the great dramatic end of days for me as some of the less hospitable folks are making it to be.

I'm of the personal opinion using a new character would be better narrative as they would have far more room to work in terms of establishing his (for M/M at least) personality. I'm putting my money on Vega and I'm anxious to see how he turns out.

Modifié par Zulmoka531, 22 mai 2011 - 06:01 .

[ExtremeOne]

paptschik wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

As I have said I have no issue with seeing 2 women have sex . But 2 men having sex is disgusting and it has always been something I do not like at all.  Oh I hear people on complianing about the rage over this . Did you really think Bioware could do this with 0ut having some backlash .  Th

What about thoee who would find it disgusting to find fs/s encounters? If going by your standards, that should works the same way (my wife sees this conversation annoyingly funny). Would seeing a m/f be half-disgusting? Seriously, just don't make the choices where you have that encounter, you make the choices anyway. It really isn't that hard and everyone gets the win/win.

EDIT: Bioware, please fix the formatting of these forums, I hate losing what I type and placing text in another format, then copying and pasting it back gorfs the reply.

   



male and male sex is something I find disgusting and sick. I have no problem in making a statment by not buying ME 3 as a way to show my dis like for the content EA added to the game.  EA made a choice and in my opinion it is the wrong choice . I am not asking for no one to follow my standard . But I will not just bow down and say sure Bioware what ever you do is fine with me .  It may be optional content but that content is in the game with no way to disable it.  I am not changing my moral standards because of a video game .  

EA? What? Bioware has done this a lot. This, right now, is nothing new for Bioware...I doubt EA had anything to do with this.

    


Bioware is a owned company with in EA so EA made the choice and I as a gamer have made my choice rather it is optional or not . By not buying ME 3 . But I am really starting to get a little pissed off with the notion that if you do not support this being part of the game you are wrong .  You know there comes a time when standing up for what one believes in means more than giving a crap about some stupid game .  You can say the content is optional all you want but that does not matter one bit. The content in Mass Effect 3 the male and male romance option is something I find out right offensive .  

[Blacklash93]

It sounds like you need to change rather than Bioware.

[GodWood]

ExtremeOne wrote...
The content in Mass Effect 3 the male and male romance option is something I find out right offensive .  

You find having the option to have some pixels in the shape of a male dry hump some pixels also in the shape of a male offensive?

Why is this?

[ExtremeOne]

Blacklash93 wrote...

It sounds like you need to change rather than Bioware.

    


No I am not going to change at all .  

[ExtremeOne]

GodWood wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
The content in Mass Effect 3 the male and male romance option is something I find out right offensive .  

You find having the option to have some pixels in the shape of a male dry hump some pixels also in the shape of a male offensive?

Why is this?

    




Because I have always been one that finds male and male romance offensive no matte if it is in a game or in movies or tv shows .  

[GodWood]

ExtremeOne wrote...
Because I have always been one that finds male and male romance offensive no matte if it is in a game or in movies or tv shows .  

But why do you find it offensive?

[SilentNukee]

Don't pay attention to ExtremeOne, he's just a hateful person that most people in this thread just completely ignores.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 22 mai 2011 - 07:22 .

[HolyMoogle]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

It sounds like you need to change rather than Bioware.

    


No I am not going to change at all .  

For somebody with no intent to ever play Mass Effect 3, you sure are hanging around talking about it a lot. Perhaps you'd have a better time if you just forgot about it.

[Ryzaki]

ExtremeOne: You really can't ignore 10 seconds of dialogue and get on with the 40+ hour game?

[ElitePinecone]

Might generally not be a good idea to ask people to make statements that can get out of hand...

Edit: Just read the tweets a few pages back, never mind. 

Like I said earlier, antagonising Bioware devs probably isn't all that wise. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 22 mai 2011 - 08:57 .

[Ryzaki]

ElitePinecone wrote...

What were the tweets to Jesse Houston, out of interest?

Might generally not be a good idea to ask people to make statements that can get out of hand...

Agreed. 

Let sleeping dogs lie. 

[Xewaka]

I still have to figure out how same-sex is, from Fem!shep's perspective, a novelty in ME 3.

[lovgreno]

Abispa wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...
*Another piece of art from that skilled artist Metal Dragon*
Adorable pic I posted earlier in the Liara thread. I love Liara's facepalm...And Wrex is being so cute.
(Still sorta related to s/s...Being FemShep and Liara. )

Hmm, I'm afraid that my Shepards would use the opportunity to teach his/her daughter how to shoot the little buggers. But then, knowing Wrex, I'm sure he will, too.

Wrex as the godfather to Shepards kid? Hell yes! If you let Wrex be killed it sucks to be you.

Anyway, on topic:
This is what I think will happen if there is m/m and f/f loving in ME3:

Many potential costumers: Awesome! Just what I have been waiting for! This makes me much more motivated to buy the game.
Many potential costumers: Well, that is not my thing so I will just not choose those options. But as I think diversity in a game is a very good thing I know that everything won't be what I like play so I am totaly cool with this.
Small minority of potential costumers: This will RUIN the whole game! I wont buy it! (But then most will probably do so anyway)
BioWare: Profit!

So yeah, I think s/s could be a win/win situation for almost all of us.

[ElitePinecone]

I doubt even that small minority would pass up on ME3.

I mean, it has random explosions! And shooty things! And bewbies!

All the things they adore!

If ME3 is half as epic as it's shaping up to be, S/S will be buried under forty hours of awesomeness. Those who want it can play it, those who don't want to won't have to.

[M-Sinistrari]

Ryzaki wrote...

ExtremeOne: You really can't ignore 10 seconds of dialogue and get on with the 40+ hour game?

Well, since he ignored my question from earlier, I guess this 10 seconds or so of dialog is apparently more gamebreaking than all the things said in his pro-Cerberus posts about motive flaws in ME3.

[lovgreno]

@Elitepinecone: Nothing wrong with random explosions, shooty things and bewbies of course. I like those things too but a wide variation of other things would be nice too.

Modifié par lovgreno, 22 mai 2011 - 09:12 .

[BrandNewMan]

To everyone who's offended by it, man up or go home. You're worried about your own masculinity, but it's your fear of it that makes you weak.