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[Raspberry_]

i'm all for same sex romance! especially for FemShep! in future everybody is bi and everybody is happy! lol

[Gterror]

It looks like Shepard..
*puts on sunglasses*
just got scale itched

Modifié par Gterror, 22 mai 2011 - 02:23 .

[J. Finley]

Aaaallllllrighty then.

[javierabegazo]

@ExtremeOne

You can expect to hear from Chris Priestly and Woo, this is quite a serious matter.


@GodWood and the rest of the thread

While this is a thread for the discussion of SS Romance in ME3, there is no need to post pictures of anyone kissing, far less of two men for the purpose of baiting trolls. Do not do this again, this is considered spam and the posters of such content will be dealt with harshly, as this thread has a long history of posters ignoring moderator warnings.

[Any_ILL]

JeffZero wrote...

Actually, that would partly depend on what country he's in. Not all posters on here are American, you know. And I'm not going on some big anti-American bend by saying that so don't take it as such. I'm just thinking you might have been subconsciously categorizing us all as Americans based on the old "it's a free country" statement. That seems to link itself to the States rather quickly.

Actually, I hesitate to point it out but I thought it wasn't necessary. I know that of course, I'm french myself ^^ But I suppose the country where you can play ME and the sexual or lesbian/gay content legally are mostly free country, am I wrong? (I may be though, I'm just speculating).

JeffZero wrote...It's the vile in that one particular post of his that sets me off. He said some things that I guess one could classify as no more edgy than anyone else's and when some posters answered him 'unfavorably' he suddenly threw a bunch of unnecessary vitriol into the mix. To me going on a multi-sentence escapade about how 'disgusting' same-sex romance is is the equivalent to going on a multi-sentence escapade about how 'disgusting' [insert ethnic minority here] is.

And? I know that, that was exactly my point... He has the right to think, and he has the right to talk however he has not the right to repress someone else freedom just because of his irrational beliefs. So he has the right to find the muslim/lesbian/black/athee/one-legged/french/gay/me or anything else disgusting and to say it (or he should have, but even in free country it's not always easy. But that's their mistakes). Like I said it's sad because they won't stop being who they are for him (and he's the one that close himself in his prejudice) but if you advocate tolerance, you have to accept it. If you don't, I don't understand in which way you are better than him...

[javierabegazo]

Cootie wrote...

klmg8 wrote...

If you want straight romance and at least a semi plausible sex scene check out The Witcher 2. It's nice to be able to play a game where you know the main character is a womanizing flirt who doesn't have to be changed into a homosexual to appease a crowd of panda bears. Meh bioware romance is second rate now anyway wish they would just get rid of it. Makes me cringe.

*looks at the Witcher*
"Yeah, you should have sex. With me. It's fun."

Dryad: "Yeah, but no. You are not strong manly strong man."

*hands bear pelts*

"Where was I? Oh, right. Sex. With me. It's awesome."

Dryad: "YEAH OKAY YOU CHARMER YOU"

Case in point:
Patience, grasshopper.

I played The Witcher for the first time yesterday, and for all everyone's been saying about how that game has great moral choices, I think they did a good job with moral choices but the dialog you posted above is pretty much right. The "romance" events in The Witcher seem tailored for a 14 year old boy, and no one else, and only makes me more proud to have played BioWare's games, and Mass Effect romances in general.

[Erani]

xNeurOx wrote...

i simply hope that sex scene in ME3 will be more mature rispect ME2.
It was simply a beautiful and mature scene in ME1 with Liara or Ashley. In ME2 it was a no sense scene for child with all the clothes on...,no mature at all.(Like Dragon Age 2)

This. I hope the love scenes in ME3 are similar to ME1, just because one invests a lot in these romances/characters and to have just a kiss and fade to black....

[ElitePinecone]

@Any_ILL:

You're absolutely correct. However, this isn't a theoretical or hypothetical utopia where free speech reigns and everybody debates as irrationally or rationally as they so choose. Bioware's forums are clear on their rules - offensive speech of any nature is not acceptable. This extends to both sides of this debate, if you want to confine it to just a bipolar view. I've seen plenty of warnings about overzealous attacks on the part of pro-s/s forum users.

That being said, I'm well aware that 99% of participants in this debate and others like it are being reasonable, civil and generally nice to each other. We can have a rational debate about where the middle ground or compromises lie without resorting to name-calling or trolling (and that goes for provocatively posting pictures).

If people are discomforted by depictions of homosexuality, that's fine. But if they make grandiose claims about boycotting a 40+-hour video game based on a few minutes of optional content in a format we don't even know about yet, they'd better have a damn good reason to back it up. Resorting to swearing and throwing insults when challenged isn't a reasonable response.

In any other public forum those sorts of comments would be an unfortunate reality - but in a gaming forum with clearly defined rules of conduct, they're justifiably unreasonable. There are other places to discuss that, just as there are other places to post pictures of people kissing.

[Cootie]

javierabegazo wrote...

I played The Witcher for the first time yesterday, and for all everyone's been saying about how that game has great moral choices, I think they did a good job with moral choices but the dialog you posted above is pretty much right. The "romance" events in The Witcher seem tailored for a 14 year old boy, and no one else, and only makes me more proud to have played BioWare's games, and Mass Effect romances in general.

I am a bit of an artsy fartsy gamer and, well, one could say that Bioware's ruined my gaming career, as I'm no longer intrigued by other games anymore. At least not in the same way.
I do love how they are so very innovative in terms of combining story and gameplay, where other games often keep them on separate sides of a bridge. Bioware has proven themselves able to put engaging storylines INTO the game, with plot events that challenge you mentally and emotionally, and they make you ask questions.
That is the best moment you can take away from an experience, in my opinion. The part that makes you go "...huh." and question a part of yourself, or think about a subject you had not really formed a proper opinion of yet. 

And if homosexuality can be woven into that big, sticky mush that's the Mass Effect franchise, I vote YES.
If Bioware continues to push the envelope in this manner, to challenge the player on an emotional level, I will back them up with my wallet, for sure.

EDIT:
Oh, wow, I just realised I got carried away into a rant when I was supposed to compare Bioware's storytelling and relationships to that of The Witcher.
Hm.
So, well, yes, the point I'm trying to make is that a game with a Mature rating is not necessarily mature. I personally find The Witcher to be a juvenile experience written for the juvenile public and it would make me cringe SO badly.
(I have not actually played the game, but hey, first impressions)
And with that mini-review, I would like to point out that Bioware has a recent history of being very, very mature in my eyes.
(except for certain individuals making certain comments in certain threads but that is all in the past, hopefully)

And no amount of manly bear pelts would make me change my mind.

Modifié par Cootie, 22 mai 2011 - 03:17 .

[Chromie]

javierabegazo wrote...
I played The Witcher for the first time yesterday, and for all everyone's been saying about how that game has great moral choices, I think they did a good job with moral choices but the dialog you posted above is pretty much right. The "romance" events in The Witcher seem tailored for a 14 year old boy, and no one else, and only makes me more proud to have played BioWare's games, and Mass Effect romances in general.

Witcher 2's are much better. Mass Effect 1 had good romances but ME2 were a joke.

Triss and Geralt in the bath scene comes right after a romantic conversation between the two and if they should stay together and such. They find a elven bath in a elven garden with flowers around and decide to have some fun.

I haven't explored the other romances since the save import feature unlike ME2's gave me a different Act II so I am getting different quests and npcs to meet. Haven't finished so don't know who else I can romance.

If this isn't a lovely place for a romance scene then I don't know what is.

http://cloud.steampo...981082208191AE/

Modifié par Ringo12, 22 mai 2011 - 03:26 .

[jeweledleah]

personally I don't care about sex scenes. kiss, or even just smile and then fade to black makes me perfectly happy. not because I'm a prude or don't want to see 2 man or 2 women kissing - I skip heterosexual scenes as well, because to me is just a waste of animation. unless sex scene is somehow progressing character development and/or a story (yes, its possible), or I'm reading an erotic novel, I always skip those because there's just no point to them.

what I loved about ME2 scenes was that they mostly focused on character emotions, interactions, what brought them to that point, how they felt. I actually liked DA2 love scenes a great deal because they focused on individual characters and how they would act - shy, or brazen, angry or desperate - it was great because instead of a recycled identical animation, for all its higher sensuality - you get personalized stories. you had the same thing with everyone in ME2 but Miranda - I didn't care for Miranda's scene because it was completely and utterly unnecessary - it didn't progress her character and their relationship in any way, it was just there to awkwardly titillate, nothing more.

DAO scenes made me giggle in their awkwardness.

In short - I'd rather they add more to before the scene, make what there is - personalized , tailored to each character, rather then add in nudity that is completely pointless to the story.

[MassEffect762]

I'll be happy with Femshep/Tali romance.

[Tommy6860]

jeweledleah wrote...

personally I don't care about sex scenes. kiss, or even just smile and then fade to black makes me perfectly happy. not because I'm a prude or don't want to see 2 man or 2 women kissing - I skip heterosexual scenes as well, because to me is just a waste of animation. unless sex scene is somehow progressing character development and/or a story (yes, its possible), or I'm reading an erotic novel, I always skip those because there's just no point to them.

what I loved about ME2 scenes was that they mostly focused on character emotions, interactions, what brought them to that point, how they felt. I actually liked DA2 love scenes a great deal because they focused on individual characters and how they would act - shy, or brazen, angry or desperate - it was great because instead of a recycled identical animation, for all its higher sensuality - you get personalized stories. you had the same thing with everyone in ME2 but Miranda - I didn't care for Miranda's scene because it was completely and utterly unnecessary - it didn't progress her character and their relationship in any way, it was just there to awkwardly titillate, nothing more.

DAO scenes made me giggle in their awkwardness.

In short - I'd rather they add more to before the scene, make what there is - personalized , tailored to each character, rather then add in nudity that is completely pointless to the story.

I can agree with this. If the scenes are tastefully created, I have no problem with them and orientation doesn't bother me, love is love when that is the theme of a romantic encounter anyway. But, if the scenes cannot be made tastefullly and with tenderness, then I rather leave the rest to my imagination after a kissing scene fading away. I really loved Origins kissing scenes a great deal, though I wish they could have made the eye close during them.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

javierabegazo wrote...

 The "romance" events in The Witcher seem tailored for a 14 year old boy, and no one else, and only makes me more proud to have played BioWare's games, and Mass Effect romances in general.

This is pretty much what I thought about the hot, blue, bisexual, girl-only species in Mass Effect.  In fact, I first heard about Mass Effect before its release from a friend at work.  He had sketchy details about the game.  I said, "Well, it's a Bioware game, so I know it'll have some hot girl-on-girl action stuffed into it."  A week later, he returned to tell me about the Asari.

Somewhat older player base notwithstanding (I just don't have it in me to call it "more mature"), I think Bioware is still pretty close to those juvenile, prurient roots.

[Siansonea]

My take-away from the recent kerfuffle in this thread is this: 14-year-olds and crazy people have Internet connections too. My advice? Let them dig their own graves, they don't need our help to make themselves look bad.

[Siansonea]

Tommy6860 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

personally I don't care about sex scenes. kiss, or even just smile and then fade to black makes me perfectly happy. not because I'm a prude or don't want to see 2 man or 2 women kissing - I skip heterosexual scenes as well, because to me is just a waste of animation. unless sex scene is somehow progressing character development and/or a story (yes, its possible), or I'm reading an erotic novel, I always skip those because there's just no point to them.

what I loved about ME2 scenes was that they mostly focused on character emotions, interactions, what brought them to that point, how they felt. I actually liked DA2 love scenes a great deal because they focused on individual characters and how they would act - shy, or brazen, angry or desperate - it was great because instead of a recycled identical animation, for all its higher sensuality - you get personalized stories. you had the same thing with everyone in ME2 but Miranda - I didn't care for Miranda's scene because it was completely and utterly unnecessary - it didn't progress her character and their relationship in any way, it was just there to awkwardly titillate, nothing more.

DAO scenes made me giggle in their awkwardness.

In short - I'd rather they add more to before the scene, make what there is - personalized , tailored to each character, rather then add in nudity that is completely pointless to the story.

I can agree with this. If the scenes are tastefully created, I have no problem with them and orientation doesn't bother me, love is love when that is the theme of a romantic encounter anyway. But, if the scenes cannot be made tastefullly and with tenderness, then I rather leave the rest to my imagination after a kissing scene fading away. I really loved Origins kissing scenes a great deal, though I wish they could have made the eye close during them.

My problem with digital nudity is that it is often distractingly hilarious. I mean, does anybody really find it titillating? I remember the nudity in Heavy Rain being particularly funneh.

[Pups_of_war_76]

Ringo12 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...
I played The Witcher for the first time yesterday, and for all everyone's been saying about how that game has great moral choices, I think they did a good job with moral choices but the dialog you posted above is pretty much right. The "romance" events in The Witcher seem tailored for a 14 year old boy, and no one else, and only makes me more proud to have played BioWare's games, and Mass Effect romances in general.

Witcher 2's are much better. Mass Effect 1 had good romances but ME2 were a joke.

Triss and Geralt in the bath scene comes right after a romantic conversation between the two and if they should stay together and such. They find a elven bath in a elven garden with flowers around and decide to have some fun.

I haven't explored the other romances since the save import feature unlike ME2's gave me a different Act II so I am getting different quests and npcs to meet. Haven't finished so don't know who else I can romance.

If this isn't a lovely place for a romance scene then I don't know what is.

http://cloud.steampo...981082208191AE/

A love scene in a nice locale does not a good romance make.

From what I've seen, most of the romantic and sexual content in TW2 is as vapid and shallow as it was in TW1.

[Siansonea]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

 The "romance" events in The Witcher seem tailored for a 14 year old boy, and no one else, and only makes me more proud to have played BioWare's games, and Mass Effect romances in general.

This is pretty much what I thought about the hot, blue, bisexual, girl-only species in Mass Effect.  In fact, I first heard about Mass Effect before its release from a friend at work.  He had sketchy details about the game.  I said, "Well, it's a Bioware game, so I know it'll have some hot girl-on-girl action stuffed into it."  A week later, he returned to tell me about the Asari.

Somewhat older player base notwithstanding (I just don't have it in me to call it "more mature"), I think Bioware is still pretty close to those juvenile, prurient roots.

I can see that. But I've always liked the asari anyway, and I'm an old lady. As much as they're pure fantasy on the surface, they're also the most powerful species in the game, dominating the Citadel-controlled systems' commerce and politics. And asari are rather subversive too, they don't even HAVE males, which means they don't need males. That's kind of fantasy-squasher. They're the antithesis of the "Orion Slave Girl" of the original Star Trek and the Twi'Lek captives of Jabba the Hutt in Star Wars. Asari are hawt blue space babes, but they're hot blue space babes with lots of variety and considerable power. I love how much individuality the asari have, they're not all there to make Shepard feel like Space James/Jane Bond. 

[Siansonea]

 Just saw a "Witcher 2 sex scene" on YouTube and...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!:lol::lol::lol:


Wow, such depth, such character development, such...digital boobies. Please, BioWare, do NOT go this route with ME3 romances. This just panders to people who are too cheap to buy real porn. 

[BrandNewMan]

Siansonea II wrote...

My problem with digital nudity is that it is often distractingly hilarious. I mean, does anybody really find it titillating? I remember the nudity in Heavy Rain being particularly funneh.

I didn't have Madison strip fully during that one scene because it just felt wrong under the circumstances. And apparently I missed her showering, so all I got to see was Ethan "I don't flush" Mars.

[ElitePinecone]

Siansonea II wrote...

I can see that. But I've always liked the asari anyway, and I'm an old lady. As much as they're pure fantasy on the surface, they're also the most powerful species in the game, dominating the Citadel-controlled systems' commerce and politics. And asari are rather subversive too, they don't even HAVE males, which means they don't need males. That's kind of fantasy-squasher. They're the antithesis of the "Orion Slave Girl" of the original Star Trek and the Twi'Lek captives of Jabba the Hutt in Star Wars. Asari are hawt blue space babes, but they're hot blue space babes with lots of variety and considerable power. I love how much individuality the asari have, they're not all there to make Shepard feel like Space James/Jane Bond. 

Pretty much this, yeah.

We're never shown (as far as I can remember) an asari in a deliberately derogatoy or powerless light, even the "blue hawt space babe dancers" are explained as asari testing out all sorts of lifestyles and experiences before assuming more power and influence in other areas. The number of strong, influential, even 'badass' asari characters we've seen is significant. 

It's a deliberate subsersion of, as you say, the retro blue-skinned or alien space babe whose main function is titilation. Raising asari to the heights of galactic politics and influence was a really welcome move. That they have their own motivations (as individuals and as a species), and don't exist as a trope or archetype, is wonderful. 

[Siansonea]

 I had to watch the aforementioned "dryad scene" from the first Witcher game too. And...


Really, these are the games people can't stop talking about? Maybe if I was a 14-year-old boy I'd think this was Shakespeare, but I'm not. Definitely ups my respect for BioWare though. I'll take "the priiiize" and Miranda's romp in the engine room over drivel like this any day.

[Tommy6860]

Siansonea II wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

personally I don't care about sex scenes. kiss, or even just smile and then fade to black makes me perfectly happy. not because I'm a prude or don't want to see 2 man or 2 women kissing - I skip heterosexual scenes as well, because to me is just a waste of animation. unless sex scene is somehow progressing character development and/or a story (yes, its possible), or I'm reading an erotic novel, I always skip those because there's just no point to them.

what I loved about ME2 scenes was that they mostly focused on character emotions, interactions, what brought them to that point, how they felt. I actually liked DA2 love scenes a great deal because they focused on individual characters and how they would act - shy, or brazen, angry or desperate - it was great because instead of a recycled identical animation, for all its higher sensuality - you get personalized stories. you had the same thing with everyone in ME2 but Miranda - I didn't care for Miranda's scene because it was completely and utterly unnecessary - it didn't progress her character and their relationship in any way, it was just there to awkwardly titillate, nothing more.

DAO scenes made me giggle in their awkwardness.

In short - I'd rather they add more to before the scene, make what there is - personalized , tailored to each character, rather then add in nudity that is completely pointless to the story.

I can agree with this. If the scenes are tastefully created, I have no problem with them and orientation doesn't bother me, love is love when that is the theme of a romantic encounter anyway. But, if the scenes cannot be made tastefullly and with tenderness, then I rather leave the rest to my imagination after a kissing scene fading away. I really loved Origins kissing scenes a great deal, though I wish they could have made the eye close during them.

My problem with digital nudity is that it is often distractingly hilarious. I mean, does anybody really find it titillating? I remember the nudity in Heavy Rain being particularly funneh.

I agree and it wasn't titillating at all, in fact, especially in Origins, it looked awfully awkward as if puppeteered mannequins were forcing themselves upon each other. I have to say that the clothed love senes in DA2 were at least animated a bit better than most, but I didn't like any of those as well.

[Sunnie]

Seboist wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Seboist wrote...

One guy expresses his views and he's ganged up on. It's clear who's "hateful" and it isn't Extreme.

I think he is,but he has every right to be. At least he is not a hypocrite like most of the people here. A lot of hateful people are here,they just don't realize it.

That most certainly is true and they know who they are.

You two are precious! You obviosely arent here to have any real discussion about the thread subject, you are just trolling in defense of ExtremeOne getting his panties in a wad over people asking him why he hates m/m content.

Eveyone is entitled to an opinion, but exrpessing that opinion should be done in a respectful manner. And when you clearly state that you hate something and are black listing said product, developer, and publisher, you probably should just go ahead and LEAVE the site and delete your account. Continuing to post your negative views in said thread after the black listing statement would only infer that the poster is just trying to cause a negative reaction from the others in the thread, AKA; Trolling.

So why don't you haters move along, nothing to see here.

[Siansonea]

Ringo12 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...
I played The Witcher for the first time yesterday, and for all everyone's been saying about how that game has great moral choices, I think they did a good job with moral choices but the dialog you posted above is pretty much right. The "romance" events in The Witcher seem tailored for a 14 year old boy, and no one else, and only makes me more proud to have played BioWare's games, and Mass Effect romances in general.

Witcher 2's are much better. Mass Effect 1 had good romances but ME2 were a joke.

Triss and Geralt in the bath scene comes right after a romantic conversation between the two and if they should stay together and such. They find a elven bath in a elven garden with flowers around and decide to have some fun.

I haven't explored the other romances since the save import feature unlike ME2's gave me a different Act II so I am getting different quests and npcs to meet. Haven't finished so don't know who else I can romance.

If this isn't a lovely place for a romance scene then I don't know what is.

http://cloud.steampo...981082208191AE/

Just watched this on YouTube too and...this is beyond pandering. Seriously, the next time somebody complains about the objectification of women in BioWare games, I'm going to point them to this scene. It's digital soft-core porn, the only dialogue is "Triss" moaning, and the other people in the cutaway scene. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen, actually, and if THIS is an indicator of what this game is all about, I'm just that much more glad that I don't own a PC.