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[Insom]

The newest tweet gives me some hope. Now we know that not everyone is unrealistically bisexual like DA2. He mentioned the new love interests, so they'll probably be the love interests for the bi's and gays.

[DaeJi]

jlb524 wrote...


I don't see any denial here.

He's just being petty.

[Lenimph]

 Rob Nash said...
I get sick of listening to straight people complain about, "Well, hey, we don't have a heterosexual-pride day, why do you need a gay-pride day?" I remember when I was a kid I'd always ask my mom:  "Why don't we have a Kid's Day?  We have a Mother's Day and a Father's Day, but why don't we have a Kid's Day?"  My mom would always say, "Every day is Kid's Day." To all those heterosexuals that **** about gay pride, I say the same thing:  Every day is heterosexual-pride day!  Can't you people enjoy your banquet and not ****** on those of us enjoying our crumbs over here in the corner?  

In Japan there's a children's day...

Modifié par Lenimph, 16 mai 2011 - 04:13 .

[Ghost Warrior]

Siansonea II wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Shepard isn't gay.

Really? Prove it. Seems to me Shepard doesn't have to pursue romance at all. Nowhere in the game is Shepard forced to sleep with an opposite-sex person or express genuine interest in an opposite-sex person. And also nowhere in the game is Shepard forced to reject the advances of a same-sex person. Or did I miss something on my bazillion playthroughs?

I can prove my Shep is straight. Can you prove your Shep is gay?

True,Shepard isn't forced to sleep with anyone. But he is also not able to sleep with any man,or at least express such interest.

So,can show interest in women. Never shows interest in men. By definition,that makes him straight. And now they decided to change that in third game,because of the fans...

[MrDizazta]

My guess is James Vega is the bi option.

[RohanDaKitty]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

Maybe being gay was never frowned upon in certain alien cultures and because of that, certain alien romance options never bothered to mention they had been with in s/s relationships, because to them it was a non-issue.

I can't see it being an issue among Turians, mostly because of their gender equality - what we can make of it anyway - since every single Turian is required to enter the military for citizenship. This also gives them the view point that there is no such thing as a Turian civilian, and therefore no issue over killing women because they are teh weaker and more delicate of teh speciez.

They don't have that as they're all equal to each other in terms of gender. I could be wrong, but I doubt they have much issue on who you love so long as you're a good Turian who follows orders and doesn't step out of line.

I think that's been the case yes. Here, in our political climate, something like the first human Spectre not being heterosexual would be quite the controversy. It's quite possible that human society itself may have advanced to a point of, "So what?" in regards to such issues in the Mass Effect Universe.

I think the concept of interspecies romance would be tougher in some cultures, more so than same-sex romance. It's would actually be a fascinating subject to study, in a fictional universe.

I'm curious to how the Genophage would have impacted the views on sex and sexuality within Krogan culture.

The Asari obviously have zero concens, and not just some individuals, I tihnk it's a non-issue for their entire society.

Salarians don't often seem to engage in romance. But even if one did, as their lives are short, the pressure to procreate could be quite overbearing.

[Ashira Shepard]

Lenimph wrote...
In Japan there's a children's day...

And WoW has children's week.

You're kind of missing the point of the bolded part...

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 16 mai 2011 - 04:15 .

[Darth Death]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
I'm not talking about MY shep, I'm talking about the male shep in general. That's apparently what you( and many others) failed to comprehend. 

That doesn't make any sense though, you can't just assume "the" male shep is straight. That would assume that "the" male shep is question is a "canon" shep that everyone adhers to.

There is no "canon" Shepard. So there's no way you can just declare him straight and say that's the only path. That's not how others play him.

They're some people claiming the male shep could be ******; that the option was there from the start. But at the same time no one provided me with any evidence. No one. *sigh*

[TheMarshal]

Lenimph wrote...

In Japan there's a children's day...

In Japan there are vending machines where you can buy women's underwear.  We try not to use them as a barometer for the rest of the world.

[CroGamer002]

Mesina2 wrote...

Also I'd like to add that only time ManShep can say he is gay, kinda, is with Mordin.

[lovgreno]

Darth Death wrote...

I'm not talking about MY shep, I'm talking about the male shep in general. That's apparently what you( and many others) failed to comprehend. 

There is no general male Shepard. It's different for every player.

[Ghost Warrior]

jlb524 wrote...


I don't see any denial here.

Then you are blind,because this thread is full of it

[CubbieBlue66]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

CubbieBlue66 wrote...
Please don't tell me it's gonna be another "they're gay if you're a dude. they're straight if you're a chick" system like in DA2. I never could muster up any emotion about any of the potential LI in that game... in large part because having such a key characteristic as their sexuality so nebulously defined detracted from their character.

You can't form an emotional attachment to someone unless you know exactly who they want to sleep with and are sure that they will never stray from that?

Perhaps "nebulously" was a poor word choice. I should have gone with "conflicting." I'll try to illustrate what I'm saying with the aid of some Dragon Age spoilers



*** Spoilers for Dragon Age series ***

If you look at Dragon Age: Origins, the characters all have persistent sexual identities. Alistair and Morrigan are both heterosexual. Leliana and Zevran are both bisexual. Looking back at the game, it is easy to form a consistent picture of who these characters are.

The character of Anders in Dragon Age 2 changes considerably based on one decision you make before you even start the game proper, your gender choice. If you choose to play as a male, Anders is a homosexual who has slept with men in the past. If you choose to play as a female, Anders has never slept with a man and is only attracted to women. There is no persistence there. Ultimately, the character suffers from the fact that much of your interaction with him conflicts with itself depending on which playthrough you are currently thinking of. 

*** End spoilers ***

Basically, what I'm saying is this.

Acceptable: Straight character develops strange and new same-sex attraction to your Shep throughout the narrative, culminating in a relationship. Introducing new bisexual or homosexual characters as love interests is also (obviously) fine.

Unacceptable: Directly conflicting versions of the same character (see again: Anders).

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
Then you are blind,because this thread is full of it

I know. 

Between you and Darth Death I can't see the nose on my face through all the denial.

[SennenScale]

Clonedzero wrote...
yes its possible jacob was bi all along, but if he just suddenly revealed it then it would be lazy writing. thats what im concerned about.

Have you considered that bisexual people really are no different from straight or gay people in mannerisms? You really cannot know until that person lets it be known in no uncertain terms, by telling you "I am straight/gay/bi/whatever".

You can make an assumption, but there's never any guarantee that an assumption is valid.

[Razorsedge820]

I have have no problem with NEW same sex romances in ME3 but I sincerely hope characters we already come to love and know don't turn out to be heterosexual all of a sudden. If Garrus does a 180 and starts hitting on manshep his character will be ruined for me, same goes if Tali did the same to Femshep.  Previous LIs already had their chance to hit on Shep, why start now?

We already come to know these characters through two games, for them to just suddenly change there sexuality would just ruin the game for me. As long as the heterosexual LI's in ME3 are only new characters I have no problem with it whatsoever.

Modifié par Razorsedge820, 16 mai 2011 - 04:19 .

[CroGamer002]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

jlb524 wrote...


I don't see any denial here.

Then you are blind,because this thread is full of it

There is 1 line where Shepard says he's gay, kinda.

It's when you talk with Mordin about sexuality and you're not romancing anyone, Shepard says he takes Mordin's rejections pretty good.

[bleetman]

It's good to know that grotesque mandible alien sex, or 'one of us will likely die in the process' sex is acceptable, but man-on-man apparently isn't.

Give me a break.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

CubbieBlue66 wrote...
Unacceptable: Directly conflicting versions of the same character (see again: Anders).

I've never done Anders' romance, so where exactly does he say that he's only slept with the gender you choose for Hawke?

Because from what I know oyu just entirely made that up through the power of assumptions.

[Ashira Shepard]

Darth Death wrote...
They're some people claiming the male shep could be ******; that the option was there from the start. But at the same time no one provided me with any evidence. No one. *sigh*

No. They're saying their male shepard can be gay. They're not talking about the Shepard you play.

For the third time Darth, why does it bother you so much that someone else, in some other part of the world, in a totally different playthrough with a completely different looking male Shepard might be romancing a dude?

What - are you going to go look up the dude scenes on youtube? Are you going to pursue the male romance?

I don't pursue straight romances in DA2. It's really easy. 

[Darth Death]

lovgreno wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I'm not talking about MY shep, I'm talking about the male shep in general. That's apparently what you( and many others) failed to comprehend. 

There is no general male Shepard. It's different for every player.

Yes, I know and that's what makes the ME series great. But it seems people are arguing facts with fantasy or what they like to believe.

[TheMarshal]

Razorsedge820 wrote...

I have have no problem with NEW same sex romances in ME3 but I sincerely hope characters we already come to love and know don't turn out to be heterosexual all of a sudden. If Garrus does a 180 and starts hitting on manshep his character will be ruined for me, same goes if Tali did the same to Femshep.

We already come to know these characters through two games, for them to just suddenly change there sexuality would just ruin the game for me. As long as the heterosexual LI's in ME3 are only new characters I have no problem with it whatsoever.

Were you okay with Tali and Garrus suddenly showing interesting Shepard in ME2 after showing no such interest in ME1?

[ElitePinecone]

CubbieBlue66 wrote...

Basically, what I'm saying is this.

Acceptable: Straight character develops strange and new same-sex attraction to your Shep throughout the narrative, culminating in a relationship. Introducing new bisexual or homosexual characters as love interests is also (obviously) fine.

Unacceptable: Directly conflicting versions of the same character (see again: Anders).

This is a very reasonable request, story-wise. 

Given the level of detail and care promised for ME3 I'm fairly confident it'll be handled well.

BW have the feedback from DA2, and they know how some fans felt about the way romances were done. 

[Olwydd]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Shepard isn't gay.

Really? Prove it. Seems to me Shepard doesn't have to pursue romance at all. Nowhere in the game is Shepard forced to sleep with an opposite-sex person or express genuine interest in an opposite-sex person. And also nowhere in the game is Shepard forced to reject the advances of a same-sex person. Or did I miss something on my bazillion playthroughs?

I can prove my Shep is straight. Can you prove your Shep is gay?

True,Shepard isn't forced to sleep with anyone. But he is also not able to sleep with any man,or at least express such interest.

So,can show interest in women. Never shows interest in men. By definition,that makes him straight. And now they decided to change that in third game,because of the fans...

Nope. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. You simply demonstrate that your Shep is attracted to women. He could very well be bisexual, since there is never a single moment where your Shep explicitly states that he has no interest in men or rejects a male's advances. Therefore there is no way to prove your Shepard is straight.

[RohanDaKitty]

bleetman wrote...

It's good to know that grotesque mandible alien sex, or 'one of us will likely die in the process' sex is acceptable, but man-on-man apparently isn't.

Give me a break.

This made me laugh. Well said.

But, at least now we can have man-on-man grotesque mandible alien sex that is likely to kill either of them.

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