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[Aurellia]

Subject Alpha wrote...

 Wow. you're really trying to push your gift mechanic system, aren't you Bioware-sucks? 
for the record, I think it's quite a neat idea. I liked them in DA2.

I am not alone in being passionate about this subject and I think this is the best solution I've seen.  If you have a better idea I'll join you in itB)

PS: I wish I could fix this damn user name...  There's a story behind it but that's off topic.

[Abispa]

bioware-sucks wrote...

PS: I wish I could fix this damn user name...  There's a story behind it but that's off topic.

You're just being sneaky. Some Bioware hating troll jumps into a thread 'cause he sees YOU there and assumes he's going to have back-up...

[wilhelm Screamer]

As long as the matter is handled in a tasteful way, I have little reason to worry. I have full confidence in the excellent writers at Bioware to ensure that these new options fit into the game and would in no way harm the game's overall feel and flow.

[Abispa]

wilhelm Screamer wrote...

As long as the matter is handled in a tasteful way, I have little reason to worry. I have full confidence in the excellent writers at Bioware to ensure that these new options fit into the game and would in no way harm the game's overall feel and flow.

I'm not so much fully confident as I am hopeful. Much as I love'em, Bioware's writing isn't always excellent.

[paptschik]

Porter98 wrote...

BioWare ajusting the game so that male Shepard can persue a same sex romance is an incredibly brave move. I believe this needs to be done for one simple reason, to get it over with. We need a very succesfull game, something better than DA2, with an Iconic male character that can be played as either gay or bi depending the individual player's interpertation. If this can done well, then other games will be able to do it with less fear and maybe just maybe, we can push foward the idea of acceptance just a tiny bit foward.

I don't think many other games would do it, mostly because most games like to come up with their own characters and not leave such choices to the player.
And making a game where you can ONLY play as a male gay hero...let me put it this way, there are already few games with straight female characters because male heroes are easier to sell because...well, there are more male gamers and I guess it's easier for them to see themselves in the game if they play a dude? I don't know, could be, I never had a problem with playing ladies.
The point is...imagine a game where you could only play a gay character...it would no longer be about acceptance, but about people not being able to connect because of such a thing as sexuality....so outside of RPGs and other games where you can really make your character what you want him/her to be, I doubt we'll see much of this.

[paptschik]

Abispa wrote...

Has it ever been established that Tali and Shepard did go all the way? Yes, I know you could imply that they did from the conversation after, but since physical contact is such a huge deal for Quarians, I could see her being just as excited that if she just kissed him and let him grope her through her suit. I always found it a bit of a (I hate this word) "recon" that a woman from a race that was so paranoid about the smallest exposure to foreign biology would have gone "all the way" and just got the flu.

Honestly, it's often pretty weird how much Quarians really can take. They're tougher than they act. Quarians get shot, stuff themselves with antibiotic and bam "yeah, I'll be sick for a while, but it'll be okay eventually"...Tali actually was prepared in advance, so I wouldn't be surprised if she could go all the way and have barely any consequences...though I can agree that ANYTHING happening to Quarians should have a bit more consequences. I mean, at the very least they could have like...prepared Shep in some way too, have Shepard jump through some hoops if he wants to be with a Quarian. Have him earn this, don't let her do all the prep work.

[wilhelm Screamer]

On a related note, I will pre-order what ever version of ME:3 is most expensive if joker becomes a LI (for both genders).

[Abispa]

What would be your opinion of the LI dying, either by forced game construction or as the consequence of a choice you made? If it was forced, would you say the game sucked even if Bioware gave you all the appropriate drama? And if it was because of a choice you made, would you ditch role-playing and just metagame to keep him or her alive?

And what if it's the other way around? What do you want Bioware to do for a LI if Shepard is either forced to be a martyr or is a martyr because of a choice you made? Again, would you metagame just to get a "happily every after"?

Also, should there be a "it's been fun, but there's no long term future for us" situation? I could see one arise from any number of LI, particularly Tali, Miranda, Jack, Thane, and Wrex?

[paptschik]

Abispa wrote...

What would be your opinion of the LI dying, either by forced game construction or as the consequence of a choice you made? If it was forced, would you say the game sucked even if Bioware gave you all the appropriate drama? And if it was because of a choice you made, would you ditch role-playing and just metagame to keep him or her alive?

And what if it's the other way around? What do you want Bioware to do for a LI if Shepard is either forced to be a martyr or is a martyr because of a choice you made? Again, would you metagame just to get a "happily every after"?

Also, should there be a "it's been fun, but there's no long term future for us" situation? I could see one arise from any number of LI, particularly Tali, Miranda, Jack, Thane, and Wrex?

I'd hate any death that is not in some form up to the player...at least in terms of major characters. I know some people hate them and thing they're silly and not smart or edgy enough, but I happen to love happy ends and that is what I want here. Drama is great for a second playthrough, but don't force it on me, please.

[Porter98]

@papschik

If your talking about games like God of War, Tomb Raider, Castlevania and many others then no BioWare's move is not going to do anything for those kinds of games with fix'd character's. I'm talking about games that allow its players to pick their gender, look and class, and have romantic content. Many action adventure type games with fix'd characters have romantic elements and to the best of my knowledge it has always been heatero. I will admit that if a game were made with a homosexual star of either gender I wouldn't buy it but that doesn't mean I believe it shouldn't be made nor that it wouldn't be succefull. But truthfully we are years away from something like that happening if ever. However I think it will happen someday.

[Golden Owl]

anyawow2 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
Agreed, I also think they should add a new female companion other than Liara who is bi.

I would like a new female companion to be bi also.  My femshep romanced Liara in ME1.  I do not like at all the person Liara changed into in ME2.  My Femshep has zero interest in any male romances and will be very lonely during ME3 without a new female LI.

New female bi LI please for ME3.<3

Oh...how much I so want Kasumi to be an LI option in ME3...and hoping she is bi, my manShep has been crazy in love since he met her and I know there are a few femShep's out there also REALLY hoping for Kasumi....and personally I think given her personality most people would accept her in a bi role quite well, it wouldn't seem contrived or retconned.

[SilentNukee]

Golden Owl wrote...

anyawow2 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
Agreed, I also think they should add a new female companion other than Liara who is bi.

I would like a new female companion to be bi also.  My femshep romanced Liara in ME1.  I do not like at all the person Liara changed into in ME2.  My Femshep has zero interest in any male romances and will be very lonely during ME3 without a new female LI.

New female bi LI please for ME3.<3

Oh...how much I so want Kasumi to be an LI option in ME3...and hoping she is bi, my manShep has been crazy in love since he met her and I know there are a few femShep's out there also REALLY hoping for Kasumi....and personally I think given her personality most people would accept her in a bi role quite well, it wouldn't seem contrived or retconned.

 I always had the impression Kasumi was like a best friend to FemShep. "Come by again later, I'm sure we'll have more to talk about!" She talks to Shep about everything, like friends should. Hey loyalty quest really made me feel like they're close friends, too. I would like for her to be a LI option, for s/s too, but I won't be dissapointed if it doesn't happen. I hope she's there for a big part of ME3, regardless. Tali on the other hand...MAKE IT HAPPEN BIOWARE.

[paptschik]

Golden Owl wrote...

anyawow2 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
Agreed, I also think they should add a new female companion other than Liara who is bi.

I would like a new female companion to be bi also.  My femshep romanced Liara in ME1.  I do not like at all the person Liara changed into in ME2.  My Femshep has zero interest in any male romances and will be very lonely during ME3 without a new female LI.

New female bi LI please for ME3.<3

Oh...how much I so want Kasumi to be an LI option in ME3...and hoping she is bi, my manShep has been crazy in love since he met her and I know there are a few femShep's out there also REALLY hoping for Kasumi....and personally I think given her personality most people would accept her in a bi role quite well, it wouldn't seem contrived or retconned.

The real question is, would she be able to take her eyes off the price?

[paptschik]

lightsnow13 wrote...

OOOH! An idea! the person who you cheated on ends up dying because he or she gets killed in a fight against the reapers. Kind of like a Virmire survivor thing -- however, if you decide to get back w/ your original LI then the scorned lover should end up dying instead. Of course this should only happen if you cheated on your romance.

This I'd have no problem with. There could be great drama in some playthroughs, while also getting a perfect happy end in another. I'd be in favor of this.

[paptschik]

SilentNukee wrote...

 I always had the impression Kasumi was like a best friend to FemShep. "Come by again later, I'm sure we'll have more to talk about!" She talks to Shep about everything, like friends should. Hey loyalty quest really made me feel like they're close friends, too. I would like for her to be a LI option, for s/s too, but I won't be dissapointed if it doesn't happen. I hope she's there for a big part of ME3, regardless. Tali on the other hand...MAKE IT HAPPEN BIOWARE.

Kasumi has such an outgoing  and likable personality, she's probably everyones best friend and definitely one of the more popular members of the crew AMONG the crew.

[SilentNukee]

lightsnow13 wrote...

paptschik wrote...

Abispa wrote...

What would be your opinion of the LI dying, either by forced game construction or as the consequence of a choice you made? If it was forced, would you say the game sucked even if Bioware gave you all the appropriate drama? And if it was because of a choice you made, would you ditch role-playing and just metagame to keep him or her alive?

And what if it's the other way around? What do you want Bioware to do for a LI if Shepard is either forced to be a martyr or is a martyr because of a choice you made? Again, would you metagame just to get a "happily every after"?

Also, should there be a "it's been fun, but there's no long term future for us" situation? I could see one arise from any number of LI, particularly Tali, Miranda, Jack, Thane, and Wrex?

I'd hate any death that is not in some form up to the player...at least in terms of major characters. I know some people hate them and thing they're silly and not smart or edgy enough, but I happen to love happy ends and that is what I want here. Drama is great for a second playthrough, but don't force it on me, please.

OOOH! An idea! the person who you cheated on ends up dying because he or she gets killed in a fight against the reapers. Kind of like a Virmire survivor thing -- however, if you decide to get back w/ your original LI then the scorned lover should end up dying instead. Of course this should only happen if you cheated on your romance.


sorry if this is a double post. my orignal post was there but after I edited something it was gone.

I'd be all for that if there was s/s romances starting from ME1. You can't expect everyone who are hopeful for s/s to go single for all of ME1/2...How lonely. But since the opportunity arises in ME3, I'm sure a lot of people will "cheat" to get with them. I made 2 playthroughs for that reason alone...One will stay faithful to Liara 100%, the other, if Tali becomes an option...I guess I'll "cheat" on Liara to get with her. ...It's going to pain me to do it...And omg, it's going to hurt even more if she's killed because of it. O_o

Modifié par SilentNukee, 23 mai 2011 - 12:21 .

[M8DMAN]

SilentNukee wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

anyawow2 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
Agreed, I also think they should add a new female companion other than Liara who is bi.

I would like a new female companion to be bi also.  My femshep romanced Liara in ME1.  I do not like at all the person Liara changed into in ME2.  My Femshep has zero interest in any male romances and will be very lonely during ME3 without a new female LI.

New female bi LI please for ME3.<3

Oh...how much I so want Kasumi to be an LI option in ME3...and hoping she is bi, my manShep has been crazy in love since he met her and I know there are a few femShep's out there also REALLY hoping for Kasumi....and personally I think given her personality most people would accept her in a bi role quite well, it wouldn't seem contrived or retconned.

 I always had the impression Kasumi was like a best friend to FemShep. "Come by again later, I'm sure we'll have more to talk about!" She talks to Shep about everything, like friends should. Hey loyalty quest really made me feel like they're close friends, too. I would like for her to be a LI option, for s/s too, but I won't be dissapointed if it doesn't happen. I hope she's there for a big part of ME3, regardless. Tali on the other hand...MAKE IT HAPPEN BIOWARE.

I'm pretty sure Tali is straight. She kinda gets weirded out when Fem Shep hits on her in ME2.  I don't think Bioware would be doing justice to her character if they suddenly turned her bi.

Now Kasumi on the other hand could be bi because we don't know that much about her.  I think Kaiden and Jack would make good s/s LI's.

I mean Kaiden would have had an s/s route in ME and Jack has hinted at it.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 23 mai 2011 - 12:38 .

[SilentNukee]

I'm pretty sure Tali is straight. She kinda gets weirded out when Fem Shep hits on her in ME2. I don't think bioware would be doing justice to her character if they suddenly turned her bi.

Now Kasumi on the other hand could be bi because we don't know that much about her backstory. Same thing with Kaiden and Jack.

She doesn't get weirded out, she just gets very nervous and it's absolutely adorable. There's far more signs of her hinting towards going s/s than there is with Kasumi. Kasumi is just an all around loving character. Jack is the one that pushes FemShep away if she tries to hit on her. Have you played a FemShep before???

Also, pre-loyalty mission, she still says "Is it getting hot in here all of a sudden?" all nervously and stuff.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 23 mai 2011 - 12:36 .

[Abispa]

I could see Ashley, Kaidan, Jacob, Garrus, and Tali being willing to take a bullet for Shepard, LI or not. Shepard decides that s/he will sacrifice her/his life to hit the magic doo-hickey that'll turn the fleet of Reapers into used lawn equipment, but then one of the five knocks out or even shoots Shepard (wounding him/her) so they could take his/her place.

EDIT: For gender neutrality.

Modifié par Abispa, 23 mai 2011 - 12:33 .

[Abispa]

paptschik wrote...

lightsnow13 wrote...

OOOH! An idea! the person who you cheated on ends up dying because he or she gets killed in a fight against the reapers. Kind of like a Virmire survivor thing -- however, if you decide to get back w/ your original LI then the scorned lover should end up dying instead. Of course this should only happen if you cheated on your romance.

This I'd have no problem with. There could be great drama in some playthroughs, while also getting a perfect happy end in another. I'd be in favor of this.

So, Shepard's lover should die for his/her infidelity? Wow. Like, wow. Hopefully Swartzenager [spelling?] doesn't go this route.

[Golden Owl]

SilentNukee wrote...

I'm pretty sure Tali is straight. She kinda gets weirded out when Fem Shep hits on her in ME2. I don't think bioware would be doing justice to her character if they suddenly turned her bi.

Now Kasumi on the other hand could be bi because we don't know that much about her backstory. Same thing with Kaiden and Jack.

She doesn't get weirded out, she just gets very nervous and it's absolutely adorable. There's far more signs of her hinting towards going s/s than there is with Kasumi. Kasumi is just an all around loving character.

I could actually see Tali as bi also...just going by the feel of the character here, how they come across, I can see Tali, Kasumi and Jack as bi (though Jack states she isn't, doesn't she?)...though not Miranda or Ash, I just don't feel it with those two. As for the males, I don't feel Kaiden or Thane would feel contrived.

Am playing through a femShep for my hubby at the moment (Vanguard in ME2 caught hubbies interest, he's not an ME fan otherwise)...I'm a manShep girl and am missing him terribly right now ...Just noting though, Kaiden's a real sweetheart with femShep, kinda glad I got to experience that....has given me a new take on Kaiden....never disliked him, just never really thought about him.

[Abispa]

My girlfriend wants me to chime in that she wants female Shepard's and Liara's baby to look exactly like a female Shepard done Asari style in an ending scene that take place a hundred years after ME3 as she takes her Specter oath. Please agree with me that you don't think this will happen and it's a silly idea. Really. I'm on thin ice over here.

EDIT: Too late, she already hit me. Thanks, guys.

Modifié par Abispa, 23 mai 2011 - 12:42 .

[Golden Owl]

paptschik wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

 I always had the impression Kasumi was like a best friend to FemShep. "Come by again later, I'm sure we'll have more to talk about!" She talks to Shep about everything, like friends should. Hey loyalty quest really made me feel like they're close friends, too. I would like for her to be a LI option, for s/s too, but I won't be dissapointed if it doesn't happen. I hope she's there for a big part of ME3, regardless. Tali on the other hand...MAKE IT HAPPEN BIOWARE.

Kasumi has such an outgoing  and likable personality, she's probably everyones best friend and definitely one of the more popular members of the crew AMONG the crew.

Yep...Kasumi is a best friend type with manShep too....thats one of the things that appeals to me about her...but then again I'm getting set to wed my best friend in life, I could think of a better person to be with, so best friend evolving into a relationship, I don't see a big stretch there, fact is, who do you trust and get along best with the most.