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[ElitePinecone]

Darth Death wrote...

Yes, I know and that's what makes the ME series great. But it seems people are arguing facts with fantasy or what they like to believe.

No longer fantasy, at least for ME3. 

If you don't like it, don't choose it. Your Shepard is still as straight as ever. Mine is still as gay as ever, except that he can express it in the confines of the gameplay choices. 

If you really have a problem with fictional representations of homosexuality in someone else's playthrough of a video game, then.. I don't know. Rethink things. 

[Russalka]

Darth Death, you never see Shepard eat food either, or go to the lavatory.

[Ryzaki]

Well I'm amused.

The new Lis will take resources away from the older ones. Much more than if the LI had been made bi.

But ah well. I'm getting my pie.

[Vertigo_1]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

CubbieBlue66 wrote...
Unacceptable: Directly conflicting versions of the same character (see again: Anders).

I've never done Anders' romance, so where exactly does he say that he's only slept with the gender you choose for Hawke?

Because from what I know oyu just entirely made that up through the power of assumptions.

As far as I know he says his previous lover was the (now)tranquil guy you met when you recruit him...
Only if you play male Hawke otherwise I don't think he says anything like that if you pick LadyHawke

So no he never mentions if its the only gender he has slept with...( I knew I forgot to answer that part )

Could be wrong though only romanced him once on male and one by female

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 16 mai 2011 - 04:24 .

[Cartims]

Darth Death wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
I'm not talking about MY shep, I'm talking about the male shep in general. That's apparently what you( and many others) failed to comprehend. 

That doesn't make any sense though, you can't just assume "the" male shep is straight. That would assume that "the" male shep is question is a "canon" shep that everyone adhers to.

There is no "canon" Shepard. So there's no way you can just declare him straight and say that's the only path. That's not how others play him.

They're some people claiming the male shep could be ******; that the option was there from the start. But at the same time no one provided me with any evidence. No one. *sigh*

Darth, homosexuality is contagious, didn't you hear...you must get vacinated at biirth or you all can become one......lol!

[Ghost Warrior]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...
Then you are blind,because this thread is full of it

I know. 

Between you and Darth Death I can't see the nose on my face through all the denial.

We are at least trying to provide evidence that it's not in their character to turn bi in the last game. You are just saying "well it's possible,they never denied it". It is possible,but you refuse to see how it does not fit them and how it's nothing more than pity fan service,and that is why you are the ones in the denial.

[SennenScale]

CubbieBlue66 wrote...
The character of Anders in Dragon Age 2 changes considerably based on one decision you make before you even start the game proper, your gender choice. If you choose to play as a male, Anders is a homosexual who has slept with men in the past. If you choose to play as a female, Anders has never slept with a man and is only attracted to women. There is no persistence there. Ultimately, the character suffers from the fact that much of your interaction with him conflicts with itself depending on which playthrough you are currently thinking of. 

I don't know about you, but my femHawke noticed quite the longing long on Ander's face when he had to kill the tranquil mage.

I never began a romance with him myself, so IDK if he states "I have never been into dudes ever" at some point, but I don't think it is impossible from what I saw.

It would probably kill the mood anyhow, to talk about dudes if you are trying to drop a hint on a femHawke, though.

[cachx]

Lenimph wrote...
In Japan there's a children's day...

My country also has Kid's day .

I haven't really said my opinion about this issue. And while I have no problem with the whole concept (I think DA2 did ok for the most part), what I don't like is that Bioware backpeddaled on their stance mid-series. 

The real concern for me is not the whole gay/bi thing, but a rather old concern that I think most here will agree with me: "Can I be nice/friends with someone without inebitably be forced to enter romance?"

[MisterJB]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

CubbieBlue66 wrote...
Unacceptable: Directly conflicting versions of the same character (see again: Anders).

I've never done Anders' romance, so where exactly does he say that he's only slept with the gender you choose for Hawke?

Because from what I know oyu just entirely made that up through the power of assumptions.

As far as I know he says his previous lover was the (now)tranquil guy you met when you recruit him...
Only if you play male Hawke otherwise I don't think he says anything like that if you pick LadyHawke

Could be wrong though only romanced him once on male and one by female

He will always mention that thing with Isabela in the Pearl, even if you are Male Hawke.

[The Elder King]

Ryzaki wrote...

Well I'm amused.

The new Lis will take resources away from the older ones. Much more than if the LI had been made bi.

But ah well. I'm getting my pie.

I agree. I'd prefer that they'll make some previous LI bi. Oh well, I can hope that they don't screw with Jack, Miranda, Jacob and Thane and give them space in ME3.

Modifié par hhh89, 16 mai 2011 - 04:29 .

[RohanDaKitty]

Darth Death wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I'm not talking about MY shep, I'm talking about the male shep in general. That's apparently what you( and many others) failed to comprehend. 

There is no general male Shepard. It's different for every player.

Yes, I know and that's what makes the ME series great. But it seems people are arguing facts with fantasy or what they like to believe.

There are no real facts. Shepard is a pliable character. An avatar os the player in the Mass Effect universe. Perception is reality.

[Russalka]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

We are at least trying to provide evidence that it's not in their character to turn bi in the last game. You are just saying "well it's possible,they never denied it". It is possible,but you refuse to see how it does not fit them and how it's nothing more than pity fan service,and that is why you are the ones in the denial.

We think it can fit them. You don't. We can't find consensus. Why not end it at that? 

[CubbieBlue66]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

CubbieBlue66 wrote...
Unacceptable: Directly conflicting versions of the same character (see again: Anders).

I've never done Anders' romance, so where exactly does he say that he's only slept with the gender you choose for Hawke?

Because from what I know oyu just entirely made that up through the power of assumptions.

There is a notable omission of some dialog where Anders describes Karl when choosing to play as a female character.

[Ryzaki]

Wow.

People would rather have a small slice than share a pie. 

You lot do realize more LIs = less resources for older LIs right?

Just sayin so you don't act surprised when your romance isn't acknowledged as much as you want in ME3 (unless all you want is a few lines and a few convos involving your LI).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 04:26 .

[Vertigo_1]

MisterJB wrote...
He will always mention that thing with Isabela in the Pearl, even if you are Male Hawke.

Oh ok I must have missed that part. Thanks.

[Siansonea]

Wereparrot wrote...

My opinions may already have been expressed, but they weren't on the first page and I'm not reading all these pages, so here goes.

Regardless of any rubbish you may give me about Liara, who is neither male nor female but something entirely different according to the nature of the asari existence, Shepherd was established in ME1 as straight. Bioware had an opportunity to make Shepherd bi with ME2 and they missed it, and an opportunity of this kind will not present itself again. Bioware have brought their flagship franchise into disrepute, and compromised the integrity of the main character. All I will say is: political correctness is a poor substitute for character integrity. The same thing happened with Anders in DAII: by what he said in Awakening he is clearly straight, but Bioware raped his character in DAII for whatever reason.

"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up."

[erilben]

lazuli wrote...

erilben wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

I wonder who the new people playing both teams will be? Or something like that. My gaydar always scored high for Kaidan and Ashley.

Kaidan and Ashley are the least likely. One of them always must be dead, and the same sex VS is dead on default.

Good point, but this may be changed for ME3.  Aren't new players getting the ability to choose some of the event outcomes from previous games?

There's still going to be people importing including people that didn't play ME1. Assuming Biowre doesn't have resources to do everything, Kaidan/Ashley are the worst options to make for s/s romances.

[Razorsedge820]

TheMarshal wrote...

Razorsedge820 wrote...

I have have no problem with NEW same sex romances in ME3 but I sincerely hope characters we already come to love and know don't turn out to be heterosexual all of a sudden. If Garrus does a 180 and starts hitting on manshep his character will be ruined for me, same goes if Tali did the same to Femshep.

We already come to know these characters through two games, for them to just suddenly change there sexuality would just ruin the game for me. As long as the heterosexual LI's in ME3 are only new characters I have no problem with it whatsoever.

Were you okay with Tali and Garrus suddenly showing interesting Shepard in ME2 after showing no such interest in ME1?

Yes in fact I loved it because it made sense, but for them to suddenly show their affection towards the same sex Shep in the third game would make no sense storywise, they had their chance. If Garrus and Tali were heterosexual in ME2 to begin with I would have no problem with it but since this is not the case I am not a fan of it in the third game from a character development stand point.

Modifié par Razorsedge820, 16 mai 2011 - 04:28 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Russalka wrote...

Darth Death, you never see Shepard eat food either, or go to the lavatory.

You just made me lol. Thank you

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
We are at least trying to provide evidence that it's not in their character to turn bi in the last game. You are just saying "well it's possible,they never denied it". It is possible,but you refuse to see how it does not fit them and how it's nothing more than pity fan service,and that is why you are the ones in the denial.

Typically the one in denial is the one claiming that X condition is definitely not true.  In this case that's you and Death denying that a male Shepard might be gay.

Your opposition is saying that they are open to the possibility that Shepard can be whatever orientation you want, which is backed up by ME3.

So, who's in denial again?  The people blatantly denying something that's directly supported (you) or the people who are open to the multitude of possibilities?

Vertigo_1 wrote...
As far as I know he says his previous lover was the (now)tranquil guy you met when you recruit him...
Only if you play male Hawke otherwise I don't think he says anything like that if you pick LadyHawke

So no he never mentions if its the only gender he has slept with...( I knew I forgot to answer that part [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie])

Could be wrong though only romanced him once on male and one by female

That sounds like a statement thrown in to clarify that Anders can like men.  I see no real reason for Anders to mention that his last lover was a man, whereas with a dudeHawke he might be trying to ease into the topic.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 16 mai 2011 - 04:28 .

[Lenimph]

TheMarshal wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

In Japan there's a children's day...

In Japan there are vending machines where you can buy women's underwear.  We try not to use them as a barometer for the rest of the world.

There's something wrong with everyplace in the world.  Just because it there doesn't mean you can't respect everything else.   See Florida... looks like people won't be getting married at Disney World any time soon.

Besides they also have vending machines where one can buy frozen meat, hard liquor, even live lobsters from vending machines. I don't see a difference between buying panties from Walmart and a vending machine.  (the used panties are an urban legend and illegal) 

This is off topic I know but... I had to say...

[SennenScale]

CubbieBlue66 wrote...

There is a notable omission of some dialog where Anders describes Karl when choosing to play as a female character.

In fairness, though I'm not a bisexual myself, I probably wouldn't bring up my past boyfriends if I was into some girl.

[Wereparrot]

RohanDaKitty wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I'm not talking about MY shep, I'm talking about the male shep in general. That's apparently what you( and many others) failed to comprehend. 

There is no general male Shepard. It's different for every player.

Yes, I know and that's what makes the ME series great. But it seems people are arguing facts with fantasy or what they like to believe.

There are no real facts. Shepard is a pliable character. An avatar os the player in the Mass Effect universe. Perception is reality.

This is a real fact: that a sudden switch in orientation is more than a bit ambitious on the part of the writers.

[Ghost Warrior]

Olwydd wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Shepard isn't gay.

Really? Prove it. Seems to me Shepard doesn't have to pursue romance at all. Nowhere in the game is Shepard forced to sleep with an opposite-sex person or express genuine interest in an opposite-sex person. And also nowhere in the game is Shepard forced to reject the advances of a same-sex person. Or did I miss something on my bazillion playthroughs?

I can prove my Shep is straight. Can you prove your Shep is gay?

True,Shepard isn't forced to sleep with anyone. But he is also not able to sleep with any man,or at least express such interest.

So,can show interest in women. Never shows interest in men. By definition,that makes him straight. And now they decided to change that in third game,because of the fans...

Nope. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. You simply demonstrate that your Shep is attracted to women. He could very well be bisexual, since there is never a single moment where your Shep explicitly states that he has no interest in men or rejects a male's advances. Therefore there is no way to prove your Shepard is straight.

Let's see: h
- he sleeps with Miranda and lightly flirts with every female on the ship
- he never shows even the slightest interest in any male
- when Mordin for some unknown reason assumes Shepard is attracted to him,Shepard literally laughs to his face

There is no need for words,actions speak for themselves.

[InvaderErl]

My larger concern and it has nothing to do with some kind of a fear of being hit on by a dude (which is childish), or my Shepard somehow turning gay (which is ridiculous) but rather what kind of impact is this going to have IF characters already engaged in a romance turn out to be Shep-sexual (a term and concept which is ****ing stupid).

Because nobody seems to have addressed how this can possibly work out because as it stands any person romancing let's say Jack or Tali or Garrus is going to have to play catchup to the Shepards that already romanced them in ME2. The thing is does that mean Bioware is going to have to record voice work for a character that now needs a non-romantic path/ a romantic path and now a s/s path for players essentially showing up late? None of those paths are going to suffer or becoming generic and vague like we saw in DA2, especially when you consider that they are optional characters that might not even be present?

My concern is losing the specificity of things like Garrus complimenting a FemShep according to Turian standards of femininity or basic crap like Tali actually using male pronouns or gender specific body language in cutscenes in exchange for DA2's nonsense. Especially when we could potentially use either characters like Samara who are already set up for s/s or use newcomers like James Vega to fill those roles without compromising what we already have in place.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 16 mai 2011 - 04:31 .