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[Phaelducan]

Bah, stupid thing to add in the third game.

It's also a stupid thing to argue about, it's done, so no use wasting energy on it.

[Wereparrot]

Siansonea II wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

My opinions may already have been expressed, but they weren't on the first page and I'm not reading all these pages, so here goes.

Regardless of any rubbish you may give me about Liara, who is neither male nor female but something entirely different according to the nature of the asari existence, Shepherd was established in ME1 as straight. Bioware had an opportunity to make Shepherd bi with ME2 and they missed it, and an opportunity of this kind will not present itself again. Bioware have brought their flagship franchise into disrepute, and compromised the integrity of the main character. All I will say is: political correctness is a poor substitute for character integrity. The same thing happened with Anders in DAII: by what he said in Awakening he is clearly straight, but Bioware raped his character in DAII for whatever reason.

"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up."

Explain please? Are you trying to deny that ME1 ever happened?

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
Let's see: h
- he sleeps with Miranda and lightly flirts with every female on the ship
- he never shows even the slightest interest in any male
- when Mordin for some unknown reason assumes Shepard is attracted to him,Shepard literally laughs to his face

There is no need for words,actions speak for themselves.

And that's not proof.  He could be overcompensating and in denial of his attractions to men.  Or he could be bisexual with a preference to women and is simply not into salarians.

[Darth Death]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
They're some people claiming the male shep could be ******; that the option was there from the start. But at the same time no one provided me with any evidence. No one. *sigh*

No. They're saying their male shepard can be gay. They're not talking about the Shepard you play.

For the third time Darth, why does it bother you so much that someone else, in some other part of the world, in a totally different playthrough with a completely different looking male Shepard might be romancing a dude?

What - are you going to go look up the dude scenes on youtube? Are you going to pursue the male romance?

I don't pursue straight romances in DA2. It's really easy. 

I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I mean give me an example that your male shep is gay. What are the things you had done to achieve this? How did you make your male shep gay?

[Siansonea]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Shepard isn't gay.

Really? Prove it. Seems to me Shepard doesn't have to pursue romance at all. Nowhere in the game is Shepard forced to sleep with an opposite-sex person or express genuine interest in an opposite-sex person. And also nowhere in the game is Shepard forced to reject the advances of a same-sex person. Or did I miss something on my bazillion playthroughs?

I can prove my Shep is straight. Can you prove your Shep is gay?

True,Shepard isn't forced to sleep with anyone. But he is also not able to sleep with any man,or at least express such interest.

So,can show interest in women. Never shows interest in men. By definition,that makes him straight. And now they decided to change that in third game,because of the fans...

I can prove my FemShep is gay. She's sleeping with a female alien.

I can prove my MaleShep is gay. In spite of Ashley, Liara, Miranda, Jack, Tali, Morinth, Kelly and every other biped with boobies throwing there wares in his face, not once did he take the bait. Dude, how could you pass up ALL those hot chicks and NOT be gay?

[CroGamer002]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
- when Mordin for some unknown reason assumes Shepard is attracted to him,Shepard literally laughs to his face

If you select upper right option Shepard will pretty much say he is gay, kinda.

[Insom]

I'm going out on a limb and saying Garrus will probably be straight in ME3. It's kind of ridiculous with a human and a Turian man. Garrus is metallic. I'm not gonna get into it but... put 2 and 2 together.

[Ozzyfan223]

with female Shepard it makes sense, with Male Shepard it doesn't.

He
hasn't been gay for the first 2 games, and now all of a sudden he can
be? I know its a matter of choice and all, but still, it doesn't make
sense. Am I all for equal treatment for all? Yea, and if this were the
first Mass Effect then it would be fine, but not the 3rd....

[SennenScale]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Let's see: h
- he sleeps with Miranda and lightly flirts with every female on the ship
- he never shows even the slightest interest in any male
- when Mordin for some unknown reason assumes Shepard is attracted to him,Shepard literally laughs to his face

There is no need for words,actions speak for themselves.

Sleeping with Miranda or any female, for that matter, isn't part of the plot. It's optional, therefore, Shepard is not forced to be straight at all.

[ElitePinecone]

Phaelducan wrote...
It's also a stupid thing to argue about, it's done, so no use wasting energy on it.

Pretty much this. Have a nice day, everyone. 

[Siansonea]

Wereparrot wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

My opinions may already have been expressed, but they weren't on the first page and I'm not reading all these pages, so here goes.

Regardless of any rubbish you may give me about Liara, who is neither male nor female but something entirely different according to the nature of the asari existence, Shepherd was established in ME1 as straight. Bioware had an opportunity to make Shepherd bi with ME2 and they missed it, and an opportunity of this kind will not present itself again. Bioware have brought their flagship franchise into disrepute, and compromised the integrity of the main character. All I will say is: political correctness is a poor substitute for character integrity. The same thing happened with Anders in DAII: by what he said in Awakening he is clearly straight, but Bioware raped his character in DAII for whatever reason.

"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up."

Explain please? Are you trying to deny that ME1 ever happened?

You're trying to deny that asari are female, when they clearly, you know, give birth to baby asari. And Shepard wasn't "established" as anything in ME1, because Shepard didn't HAVE to pursue romance AT ALL. Shepard can tell Liara AND Ashley "how about no", then in ME2 tell Miranda, Jack, and Tali "how about no". So what exactly has been "established" for ALL MALE SHEPARDS, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[Russalka]

Darth Death wrote...


I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I mean give me an example that your male shep is gay. What are the things you had done to achieve this? How did you make your male shep gay?

Give me an example of your Shepard actually needing food or taking care of other physical needs. How did you make your Shepard eat?

[RohanDaKitty]

Ryzaki wrote...

Wow.

People would rather have a small slice than share a pie. 

You lot do realize more LIs = less resources for older LIs right?

Just sayin so you don't act surprised when your romance isn't acknowledged as much as you want in ME3 (unless all you want is a few lines and a few convos involving your LI).

I think the fact this is annouced after the pushed back release date could be an indicator that this was not going to be sometihng in ME3.

This does depend on what it is that caused the game to be delayed in the first place. But I'd put a good bet on Multiplayer and whilst you have staff working on that component of the game, there may be staff with nothing or less to do. So they utilise that time by including other content that may have perviously been cut due to time constraints.

Just as when a game releases and there's already DLC avaliable for it, on day one. It's because the core game has been sent to a different department, testing the game and fixing bugs, etc, and you have some staff who were previously busy making the game who're twiddling their thumbs. So they get put to work on DLC as the core game goes through quality control.

[Thompson family]

The lack of a m/m romance option in a roleplaying game was a glaring omission, especially for a game of such dramatic range that prided itself so much on options. I don't think I've ever played a game in which something was made so conspicuous by its absence.

Even though I'll probably never use that option, the lack of any character of that sexual orientation who would even approach Shep (with the exception of Mordin, and that was played for laughs) made ME "read" like a censored book. You knew something was missing.

[Siansonea]

Darth Death wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
They're some people claiming the male shep could be ******; that the option was there from the start. But at the same time no one provided me with any evidence. No one. *sigh*

No. They're saying their male shepard can be gay. They're not talking about the Shepard you play.

For the third time Darth, why does it bother you so much that someone else, in some other part of the world, in a totally different playthrough with a completely different looking male Shepard might be romancing a dude?

What - are you going to go look up the dude scenes on youtube? Are you going to pursue the male romance?

I don't pursue straight romances in DA2. It's really easy. 

I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I mean give me an example that your male shep is gay. What are the things you had done to achieve this? How did you make your male shep gay?

How about not sleeping with any of the curvaceous babes that make eyes at him? And who says there's an onus upon anyone to "prove" their Shepard is gay? If people want to roleplay a gay Shepard, there's nothing in the game preventing them from doing that, even if the first two games don't offer any opportunities to state it explicitly.

[Ghost Warrior]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...



Typically the one in denial is the one claiming that X condition is definitely not true.  In this case that's you and Death denying that a male Shepard might be gay.

Your opposition is saying that they are open to the possibility that Shepard can be whatever orientation you want, which is backed up by ME3.

So, who's in denial again?  The people blatantly denying something that's directly supported (you) or the people who are open to the multitude of possibilities?

But the thing is that up until recently,Shepard wasn't able to be whatever orientation you wanted,and now he suddenly is. That is the problem,don't you see unconsistancy?

[Clonedzero]

Ryzaki wrote...

Wow.

People would rather have a small slice than share a pie. 

You lot do realize more LIs = less resources for older LIs right?

Just sayin so you don't act surprised when your romance isn't acknowledged as much as you want in ME3 (unless all you want is a few lines and a few convos involving your LI).

well the thing is i'd expect the s/s romances and the m/f romances of the same characters to be completely different. so not relaly much of a resource difference.

if they were going to be pretty much the same romance, well then that probably woulda been dumb.

while i agree, the game is a bit flooded with characters at this point, introducing new characters for s/s or using existing ones that were underused is better than changing established ones.

[Ghost Warrior]

Russalka wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

We are at least trying to provide evidence that it's not in their character to turn bi in the last game. You are just saying "well it's possible,they never denied it". It is possible,but you refuse to see how it does not fit them and how it's nothing more than pity fan service,and that is why you are the ones in the denial.

We think it can fit them. You don't. We can't find consensus. Why not end it at that? 

But we give valid reasons for why we don't think it fits. You don't give any reasons,you just insult us and call us closed-minded. That's the difference.

[CubbieBlue66]

SennenScale wrote...

CubbieBlue66 wrote...

There is a notable omission of some dialog where Anders describes Karl when choosing to play as a female character.

In fairness, though I'm not a bisexual myself, I probably wouldn't bring up my past boyfriends if I was into some girl.

Yeah, I can't speak with authority as to that one either... but you make a valid point.

That said, we're still left in a position where Bioware removed all traces of his homosexuality from one playthrough. In that case, it's either lazy writing to not put in any subtle hints anywhere, or somebody made a conscious decision to "un-gay" him.

I guess I just hope we get better than that in ME3.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
But the thing is that up until recently,Shepard wasn't able to be whatever orientation you wanted,and now he suddenly is. That is the problem,don't you see unconsistancy?

That's not an inconsistency.  Shepard was never forced into being straight.  You assumed that dudeSheps had to be straight because he couldn't initiate a romance at the time.  That's an assumption, IE not a fact.  And apparently said assumption was wrong and now you're in denial and desperately pointing to all the "manly straight things" your Shepard has done to prove how straight he is.

[SilentK]

Hmm.. new twitter from ME3news.

"New LIs, presumably some of them bi or gay in #masseffect3 Straight returning chars will probably stay straight"

Guess we will just have to see how it turns out.

[Ryzaki]

RohanDaKitty wrote...

I think the fact this is annouced after the pushed back release date could be an indicator that this was not going to be sometihng in ME3.

This does depend on what it is that caused the game to be delayed in the first place. But I'd put a good bet on Multiplayer and whilst you have staff working on that component of the game, there may be staff with nothing or less to do. So they utilise that time by including other content that may have perviously been cut due to time constraints.

Just as when a game releases and there's already DLC avaliable for it, on day one. It's because the core game has been sent to a different department, testing the game and fixing bugs, etc, and you have some staff who were previously busy making the game who're twiddling their thumbs. So they get put to work on DLC as the core game goes through quality control.

 

I'm notsure on that. They've revealed that there's going to be friendships as well. Would that have not been in ME3 if the date hadn't been pushed back? I doubt it. 

There's no multiplayer. That's been debunked thank the heavesn. 

There's already DLC because they have a DLC crew. The gay romances and squad friendships would need to flow seamlessly. You can't just hack that into the game. Seb for instance while a romance is chaste and no one else reacts to his romance. You also (supposedly) can't flirt with anyone else and do hsi romance (it bugs though and you can). No one reacts to it though. You're never given a confrontaion. It exists in its own little bubble. 

You can't do that with s/s romances. I'm pretty sure it would need to be art of the core game because characters will end up reacting to that (if you cheat on them or leave them for the s/s LI). 

[SennenScale]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
But the thing is that up until recently,Shepard wasn't able to be whatever orientation you wanted,and now he suddenly is. That is the problem,don't you see unconsistancy?

Shepard was never a set orientation in the first place. In fact, didn't "default" (what a silly concept in an RPG with a save import feature...) Shepard dodge Ash and Liara?

[RohanDaKitty]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...



Typically the one in denial is the one claiming that X condition is definitely not true.  In this case that's you and Death denying that a male Shepard might be gay.

Your opposition is saying that they are open to the possibility that Shepard can be whatever orientation you want, which is backed up by ME3.

So, who's in denial again?  The people blatantly denying something that's directly supported (you) or the people who are open to the multitude of possibilities?

But the thing is that up until recently,Shepard wasn't able to be whatever orientation you wanted,and now he suddenly is. That is the problem,don't you see unconsistancy?

It's only unconsistant, to you. For you see I played Shepard gay. I simply had no way of expressing that, in the game. My shep has simply remained celibate thus far.

So Shepard has always had the ability to be whatever orientation you wanted. It's merely the ability to directly express that, which has been missing.

My gay Shepard now has that outlet. It doesn't break the continuity in my game at all. Nor does it yours. Merely continue to play ME3 as a heterosexual shepard.

Shepard is a pliable character. There is very little "canon"