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[Ryzaki]

naledgeborn wrote...

Truthfully I wouldn't mind. What you eat don't make me sh*t is my motto. If they want to introduce an exclusive gay or lesbian character have at it. Just leave the existing characters the way they are.

Oh maybe you won't. But I know there'll be a sizable amount who will,  a sizable amount that tends to go "well some people are just straight they don't want your Shepard." 

I can't wait to finally say " well some people are just gay and your Shepard won't magically make them hop borders." 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 05:23 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Siansonea II wrote...

My strongest hope is for good writing, and good non-romance paths for ALL the characters. Believe it or not, it's not all about romance for me.

Amen, amen, amen.

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...
I feel so sorry for you. Two bi LI's? Oh, the agony.

Compromise murdered my father, I like it no more than those who want everybody bisexual do.

I'm sure those wishing for open romances are just grateful to have this included by any extent.

[TheMarshal]

Eradyn wrote...

leonia42 wrote:

For what it's worth, I feel like the following characters could safely be written as bisexual (since most of them were originally):

Miranda
Kaidan
Jack
Garrus
Tali

I'll be honest, only one I was aware of was Kaidan.  Are there recorded dialogue lines for the others?

I know that Ash has the s/s dialogue as well somewhere in there.  Jack strongly indicates that she's been involved with a woman in the past.  Tali's SB dossier indicates an attraction to Shepard regardless of M/F.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Ryzaki wrote...
I can't wait to finally say " well some people are just gay and your Shepard won't magically make them hop borders." 

And you people complain that I'm bitter and spiteful.

[javierabegazo]

Siansonea II wrote...

For what it's worth, and for all that I've been championing s/s inclusion in the game, I value character consistency as much as anyone else, and I also think an "all bisexual" squad would be a bit odd. I have ideas about which characters I think make the most sense as bisexual options, but I'm not going to insist that BioWare implement any certain characters that way. It's enough for me that they acknowledge that this is an option that many people would like to see in the game. If it's James Vega, Kaidan, Joker, or whatever, as long as it's a human male for MaleShepard, my Sentinel will be happy. My female Adept already has Liara, but I would also like to see a female human other than Kelly added to the mix for female Shepard. Heck, if they developed a really strong Kelly storyline, I'd even be happy with that, but right now Kelly is kind of one-note.

My strongest hope is for good writing, and good non-romance paths for ALL the characters. Believe it or not, it's not all about romance for me.

I share this hope as well. I find that often the best written characters aren't always the ones you can romance. Shale, from DAO, or Samara, in ME2 are examples of this for me. I do however want more "bromance" stuff, just more dialog in general.

Typically with romance characters, LI's get double the dialog than other characters, and I simply wish for equal amounts of dialog, and for it to be colored differently if they so happen to be an LI

[KawaiiKatie]

SilentNukee wrote...

We can't have a completely new person as the only "bi" choice...We didn't have the past events/connections with them at all, unlike the others.

Well, just because we've already built relationships with the ME1 and ME2 characters doesn't mean we can't build deep, meaningful relationships with new people!

I mean, yes, it would be really fun to romance Kaidan/Ashley because there's already a lot of history there between them and Shepard. But to be fair, even though we already had personal connections to the ME1 characters, many of us were still able to build meaningful relationships with the new ME2 characters, and enjoy them quite a bit.

But that said, I definitely see where you're coming from. Though Shepard was able to pursue someone "new" in ME2, like Jack or Thane, he or she also had to option to pursue someone familiar: Garrus or Tali. This balance of "new" romances versus familiar ones (even though they both provided new content) worked pretty well in my opinion, and I can see why you would want that for same-sex options in ME3.

Personally, I think that if same-sex options were limited to new squadmates only, it would work out just fine. Even though Shepard wouldn't have past history with the new character, the relationship would still become meaningful over the course of ME3, just as Jack and Thane did over the course of ME2. I, for one, wouldn't mind that at all.

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...

Best option - James Vega and Liara bi. Everybody else stays the same

I agree

[Leonia]

TheMarshal wrote...

I know that Ash has the s/s dialogue as well somewhere in there.  Jack strongly indicates that she's been involved with a woman in the past.  Tali's SB dossier indicates an attraction to Shepard regardless of M/F.

Yeah, couldn't remember if Ash had the lines or not. I editted my original reponse to Eradyn on the previous page.

[Ryzaki]

javierabegazo wrote...
I share this hope as well. I find that often the best written characters aren't always the ones you can romance. Shale, from DAO, or Samara, in ME2 are examples of this for me. I do however want more "bromance" stuff, just more dialog in general.

Typically with romance characters, LI's get double the dialog than other characters, and I simply wish for equal amounts of dialog, and for it to be colored differently if they so happen to be an LI

Me as well. I like that in DA2 if you're friends /rivals with someone you get nearly the same amount of interaction (and heck in some cases if your friends/rivals instead of lovers you get more interaction!)

And I agree with the latter as well. Character development should not be so heavily tied in with the romances. That's offputting.

ReconTeam wrote...
And you people complain that I'm bitter and spiteful. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I never claimed that I wasn't vindicitve. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 05:27 .

[Paraxial]

ReconTeam wrote...
And you people complain that I'm bitter and spiteful.

Oh good we're back to this again, I was worried things might be civilized.

[jlb524]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Which is GREAT, by the way, but honestly? ENTIRE TEAM IS JACOB SHEPARDSEXUAL is a bit much.

I'm still not sure why this is such a big deal to people...considering we're talking about video game characters and I think it would be nicer if people had the choice to romance whoever they wanted amongst the LIs with whichever Shepard they wanted, instead of having to romance 'that one bisexual' with their gay/bi Shepard.

Now, expecting everyone in real life to bend to your animal magnetism and want to jump in bed with you regardless is absurd, of course.

[corporal doody]

Bible Doctor wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
And you people complain that I'm bitter and spiteful.

Oh good we're back to this again, I was worried things might be civilized.

I lol'd hardcore at this!! especially with doctor turk as your pic

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Bible Doctor wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
And you people complain that I'm bitter and spiteful.

Oh good we're back to this again, I was worried things might be civilized.

Finished that chocolate milk already?

[Siansonea]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

It's called social cues. You know someone likes someone based off of their voice pitch, how close or not they stand to someone, and how they generally react to you do they give you their full attention or try to run away. This gives amazing insight into how people are orientation wise. People don't need to ask are you into them they can see it by your unconscious reactions and moves.

It's the same for how you know someone is angry for instance Ash on Horizon has a neutral tone, she either hugs or gives you a handshake, all this does nothing to indicate she is mad yet she blows up at you her social cues are all wrong.



EDIT: And I suppose for the thread I'm going to have to state yet again all prior LI form ME - ME2 should not join the gay/bi bandwagon and be left alone. BW however can s/s brand new 3 characters like Vegas be bi they're new, unknown, and aren't established.

Interesting that you say this, when the social cues given by Kaidan and Ashley in the first game are identical with a Shepard of either gender, it's just that SHEPARD doesn't have certain lines they can pursue with them. So the argument could be made that if anyone is to blame for not going down that road, it's Shepard, not Ashley and Kaidan. Though with Ash there is a little less ambiguity than with Kaidan, at least in my opinion. I always felt like a lot more of Kaidan's bisexual development was left in the game than with Ash, but that's just my personal observation.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Bible Doctor wrote...
Oh good we're back to this again, I was worried things might be civilized.

They've used plenty of "you peoples" too. Seriously is "you people" is some sort of criminal word in the court of political correctness?

[SilentNukee]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

We can't have a completely new person as the only "bi" choice...We didn't have the past events/connections with them at all, unlike the others.

Well, just because we've already built relationships with the ME1 and ME2 characters doesn't mean we can't build deep, meaningful relationships with new people!

I mean, yes, it would be really fun to romance Kaidan/Ashley because there's already a lot of history there between them and Shepard. But to be fair, even though we already had personal connections to the ME1 characters, many of us were still able to build meaningful relationships with the new ME2 characters, and enjoy them quite a bit.

But that said, I definitely see where you're coming from. Though Shepard was able to pursue someone "new" in ME2, like Jack or Thane, he or she also had to option to pursue someone familiar: Garrus or Tali. This balance of "new" romances versus familiar ones (even though they both provided new content) worked pretty well in my opinion, and I can see why you would want that for same-sex options in ME3.

Personally, I think that if same-sex options were limited to new squadmates only, it would work out just fine. Even though Shepard wouldn't have past history with the new character, the relationship would still become meaningful over the course of ME3, just as Jack and Thane did over the course of ME2. I, for one, wouldn't mind that at all.

I just want Tali in my second playthrough with my FemShep...Is it too hard to ask!? 
I always prefered the ME1 squad. In ME2, I chose Tali and Garrus as my squadmates almost all the time.
I don't know what it is...I just like "having history" with older squadmates.

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

TheMarshal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I'd be happy with James Vega and Joker.

If only one I'd take Joker.

Frankly any human male other than Jacob will do.

No, you take Jacob and you LIKE IT!  : P

Why did I read that in the voice of an angry Japanese man?

[KawaiiKatie]

javierabegazo wrote...

I find that often the best written characters aren't always the ones you can romance. Shale, from DAO, or Samara, in ME2 are examples of this for me.

To be fair.... I want Samara. I waaaaant Samara. She was so fascinating in ME2, and so well written... I can't help but hope that she'll become a "full-fledged" romance in ME3. Would the galaxy end if she found a little happiness? *sigh*

Maybe it's because she rejected me in ME2. Maybe her rejection made me want her all the more--that's a totally fair assessment. My point is, if a character is well-written and responds to my advances, I'm going to want to romance! And Samara is a prime example of that.

[Fuzrum77]

naledgeborn wrote...

Truthfully I wouldn't mind. What you eat don't make me sh*t is my motto. If they want to introduce an exclusive gay or lesbian character have at it. Just leave the existing characters the way they are.

Lol. Great motto. And I completely agree. I'm not gay, and I pretty much never explore any m/m romance options (Hey sometimes there's an xbox achievement involved). But still the option certainly doesn't offend me, especially if it pleases others, which it obviously does. But please leave the old characters alone. You can make James Vega or Kai-Leng as gay as the day is long. Kaiden and I are best buds and that's -it-.

[Ryzaki]

Agreed SilentNukee

That's why I want Joker as the s/s LI. You get all of the history with none of the retconning.

[Paraxial]

jlb524 wrote...
I'm still not sure why this is such a big deal to people...considering we're talking about video game characters and I think it would be nicer if people had the choice to romance whoever they wanted amongst the LIs with whichever Shepard they wanted, instead of having to romance 'that one bisexual' with their gay/bi Shepard.

Because believe it or not, everyone does not share your opinion or views on immersion in relation to a deep and meaningful video game experience. For some this obviously causes a distraction which not only takes their minds off of the narrative, but alters their perceptions on the characters involved. Thus damaging or ruining the experience to varying degrees.

Whether or not that is 'right', I can't say.

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Finished that chocolate milk already?

I didn't stir it enough and there were chunks of powder, I was most displeased.

ReconTeam wrote...
They've used plenty of "you peoples" too. Seriously is "you people" is some sort of criminal word in the court of political correctness?

A lot of the points you make are quite valid for most heterosexual gamers who feel alienated or 'put-out' by this sort of thing. But the manner in which you do so, is crude at the worst of times. You face a lot of opposition and stick to your guns, it's refreshing. But you don't have to be provoked into acting like a douche, it degrades the discussion and your stance. Making it easier for those that support an 'all-bi' cast to toss aside your views as hate rhetoric and not intelligent observation.

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 16 mai 2011 - 05:36 .

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

Actually it would be nice to have a gay/lesbian exclusive character.

Just so I can see how quickly people start complaining about them only being available to same/sex Shepard.

The sheer hypocrisy will be glorious to watch.

This.

I actually don't champion gay/lesbian exclusive characters (I champion people getting to play whatever romance they want to regardless of gender b/c it's just a video game romance for crying out loud and it's all in good fun!) but the reaction to that would be hilarious.

[Lu the Prodigy]

This announcement has provoked a lot of fears in the bioware community, but I don't really see them as warranted. I'll address them those that I have seen repeated:

1. Some are afraid that now if they don't pursue a SS relationship with one of their fav characters, then dialogue options will shut down.

This was already addressed by Casey Hudson when he said that they are adding more content to non romance relationships. So the team recognized that the fans didn't like this from ME2 and are addressing it.

2. Many have said they are afraid that their favorite characters will all of a sudden act like Anders and be very pushy about thei sexuality.

To this I say that in the ME games so far, romance has been initiated by shepard, so its unlikely that a male shepard would all of a sudden get hit on by garrus or kaiden. Remember that Garrus wasn't even interested in femshep until she tells him she is... then she had to spell it out for him. If characters only react to the PC's flirtatiousness then you dont have to fear a change in their personality unless you instigate that change

3. Some are afraid that this changes the characterzation of the party members

To this I say that of all the party members, only Jack has explicitly stated she isnt interested in "the girls club" While no other has hit on shepard, that may just be because we werent presented with the option to hit on them first. And if you like the ME series already, than its probably because of the great writing and characterization of the first two games. HAVE FAITH in the team that made those games. It's not the team that did the DA series.

4. Some are afraid that if they have gay crewmates, they might get their gay all over.

To these people, I can only shake my head and pity you