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[Ryzaki]

InvaderErl wrote...

I'm sure you could, what I am saying though is gender played an intrinsic role in the Morrigan romance and would not have been possible with a female Warden whereas the Zevran and Leliana romances operate regardless.

Oh yes I agree with that. (The Zevran and Leliana romances operate regardless on two different fonts though. They treat the femwarden and male warden differently). 

I didn't, but I don't see it as inherently superior - its just a different type of romance. The Morrigan/Alistair romances do things the Leliana/Zevran one's can't and vice versa.

I disagree strongly on Alistair. Alistair's romance to me would'v workedwith a male PC. It would've lost some things (like the rose would've turned into another gift) but the importance of making him king ad the rejection all could've gone pretty similarily. I believe Gaider has said something of the effect (that Alistair could be written as bisexual without his story radically changing). I think people were arguing about it on some all bi thread. 

The funny thing is Gaider essentially said prior that he felt like the people asking for Morrigan resolution were asking for something like this and criticized them to which posters responded they didn't want that, that it would be disingenious to what had been set up before.


And then he goes and does exactly that.

*sigh*

 

XD 

If I remember correctly he says that when he first saw his wife he thought she was also the Goddess Areshu so I think Shepard being female is kind of important as far as that connection goes.

...That's...a complete and utter turnoff.  I think I would've preferred a m/m version in that case. By the truckload. Ugh. Thats...that's creepy. That's carth syndrome to the utterly max. *shudders* Ugh Ugh Ugh. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 07:03 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Phaelducan wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

First off, your beginning sentence contradicts itself & the rest you've said is the same excessive, exasperating, misinterpret argument that has been going on for a while now. Making the male shep gay is random & flat out stupid (for he wasn't gay in the past two games). If the male shep was gay in ME then I wouldn't care, but to abruptly turn him gay despite him never showing any gay affections is retarded. BioWare should have plan this from the get-go as far as consistency is concerned. 

My Shepard was always gay. Neither ME1 nor 2 force Shepard to show any interest in women at all, were he not so inclined.

That's ridiculous, no offense. Bioware wrote the game, you played the game. They wrote the game without gay options, thus he wasn't gay. Pointless discussion. Was Mario gay because he didn't show romantic interest in Peach? How about Link? Master Chief? 

Dude, if there is NO coded option for a character to be gay, yet multiple ones for them being straight, then the decision you make not to engage in a romance does not show evidence for their sexual preference. That's just ignorant.

So if I skip the cutscene in Assassin's Creed where Ezio has a tryst, I guess "my Ezio" was really homosexual?

Come on, be realistic.

Your logic is flawed,  Mario, Link,  and Ezio are defined characters.  The character of Shepherd is a blank slate free to be interpreted by the player.  Also,  Shepherd never HAS to be in a relationship as such,  there is no way to pin him down as a straight character.  

[Phaelducan]

TheMarshal wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

You are missing the point. Say I'm Irish (just for the sake of argument), and not just Irish descent, but actually Irish. Should I be offended that Shep can't also be Irish?

Appearances notwithstanding, what if I want Shep to speak Gaelic, or have my accent? Or in any other way look/sound/act like I do. 

If I can't get that, why does that mean I have to be offended? Aren't we mature enough to accept that not everyone should be represented by our own minority?

Bioware already does a pretty good job of allowing for lots of diversity, but it doesn't have to be everything, for all of their games. The last AAA title allowed for a gay protagonist, and now the next one will as well... even though it's the third in a trilogy in which the first two did NOT allow for that option.

Stop playing the "anyone who disagrees with me is committing a hate crime" card. It's simply that ME3 shouldn't have to change what is in 2 and 1 just to appease a vocal minority. He wasn't gay (quantifiably, or he would have had options to romance same-sex), and now he can be. That's a change, which is irritating.

Why can't Shepard be Irish?  Earthborn Shepards don't explicitly state what part of Earth they were from.  You're welcome to state that they're Irish and build up a backstory around it.  It just so happens that Shepard's locality doesn't play a major factor in any aspect of the game.  You could be disappointed that Shepard can't speak with an accent, or that Shepard is a righty and not a lefty, or that they can't have a mohawk, but "limitations of development time" blah blah blah...

Of course that's not the point of the previous statement.  The point was that you didn't see an issue with saying that a certain minority cannot define their made-up character to be like them.  And if you want to bring up the whole Irish thing again, you can, but outside of England and 1920's North America, the Irish aren't really a minority that has a lot of hate surrounding them.

And I'm not saying that you're committing a hate crime by throwing up weak arguments in an attempt to explain why you don't want to allow (other people's) Shepards to have s/s romances in ME3.

So using your same argument, why can't you say your shep is gay, and create a backstory around that, without specific game resource being devoted to it?

Nice touch minimizing someone else's minority struggles while you play up yours, btw. This always ends up being the same old tired argument, that somehow being one minority entitled you to better representation over other minorities.

Why no Native American L.I.? How about Basque, Asian, or maybe Albino or pygmy?

You aren't the only ones under-represented in video games, incidently.

[FKA_Servo]

Phaelducan wrote...


That's ridiculous, no offense. Bioware wrote the game, you played the game. They wrote the game without gay options, thus he wasn't gay. Pointless discussion. Was Mario gay because he didn't show romantic interest in Peach? How about Link? Master Chief? 

Dude, if there is NO coded option for a character to be gay, yet multiple ones for them being straight, then the decision you make not to engage in a romance does not show evidence for their sexual preference. That's just ignorant.

So if I skip the cutscene in Assassin's Creed where Ezio has a tryst, I guess "my Ezio" was really homosexual?

Come on, be realistic.

I'd like to note that there is a coded option in the final, released game for Shepard to identify as gay or bisexual - rolling a FShep.

If Male and Female Shep are two sides of the same coin - essentially, the same character, with all the same potential - why is it that this aspect of Shepard's character is only able to be explored by FemShep? If she can identify as gay or bi, then it follows logically that he would be able to as well. The fact that it was left out was puzzling, and their previous rationalizations for it's removal were hypocritical at best, insulting at worst. This is a great change, and one long overdue. As many people have noted, better late than never.

Edit: To note that there is plenty of code suggesting that these options existed in game - it was just unfinished. It's clear that the intent was there in the beginning at least, for both ME1 and ME2.

Modifié par TommyServo, 16 mai 2011 - 07:07 .

[PMC65]

First things first, every one of us is important to the ME world – we are, after all the investors. If I had the personal funds to bank roll this game, well I’d be at Bioware’s door and have them fit the game to my liking, instead of Special Edition it would be the PMC65 Edition … “No, cut that character, add more of this, give me more rain dang it!....” But nope, I need my fellow ME players to be there and help with the funding.
If a portion of the ME players walk away, we all lose. We should also hope that the game brings more players so that there are future ME games (with or without Shepard). You can’t do that if you only grab one crowd. That makes this a balancing act for Bioware and I really hope they know that their work is appreciated … I may not like all the things (planet scanning for one) but for the most part … I love my Shepard and the world he/she is in.
If I don’t want my Shep or anyone else to be gay then hopefully Bioware hears that concern and makes the option not as blatant … I understand that even seeing the “Hey Garrus, I’m pretty flexible” on the dialogue wheel would creep some out, even my femshep. Hopefully Bioware is addressing this and is looking at how to accomplish this “not in your face” option … like a romantic interrupt that you can just avoid (think LotSB)?
As far as choices, the “everyone bi” is not what I want. The ME3 has a budget (penny jar) and there are so many things that I have on my wish list: exploring planets again, open world environment, more friendship dialogue, more dialogue between my crew, weather, weapons upgrades, etc. If they make everyone a potential LI then that takes from the penny jar. Less is more … give me a few choices and fill them with more content. Remember, you have to pay for all of this and that jar isn’t endless.
My choice would be to make Ash/Kaiden an option … hell after Horizon all of our Sheps earned it. This Vega dude could be an option, although I really will laugh if he looks like Zaeed Jr and Tali (she started it – giving that little flirt to my femshep). Adding new characters means development $$, voice actor $$, etc. I really don’t want the pennies going to a new character (Vega) when I would prefer it spent on an already established character(s) … but I didn’t win the lottery so no knocking on BW’s door.
But this is just my 2 cents.

[ipgd]

Phaelducan wrote...

So using your same argument, why can't you say your shep is gay, and create a backstory around that, without specific game resource being devoted to it?

I say I did exactly that for ME1 and 2, and you say to me:

That's ridiculous, no offense. Bioware wrote the game, you played the game. They wrote the game without gay options, thus he wasn't gay. Pointless discussion. Was Mario gay because he didn't show romantic interest in Peach? How about Link? Master Chief?

So, which is it? You know, you can just admit you're a bigot and be done with it. There's no need to dance around it and try to justify it.

Modifié par ipgd, 16 mai 2011 - 07:05 .

[Wereparrot]

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

So Shepherd could be racist or otherwise prejudiced because he's not forced to declare that he's not?

Yes. Hell, Shepard can be overtly racist/xenophobic in the text of the game already.

Fine. I hope, considering this, that Shepherd can be openly homophobic towards those of the same gender who come on to him/her.


That's not the case in DAII, and it won't be the case in ME3.

[Phaelducan]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

First off, your beginning sentence contradicts itself & the rest you've said is the same excessive, exasperating, misinterpret argument that has been going on for a while now. Making the male shep gay is random & flat out stupid (for he wasn't gay in the past two games). If the male shep was gay in ME then I wouldn't care, but to abruptly turn him gay despite him never showing any gay affections is retarded. BioWare should have plan this from the get-go as far as consistency is concerned. 

My Shepard was always gay. Neither ME1 nor 2 force Shepard to show any interest in women at all, were he not so inclined.

That's ridiculous, no offense. Bioware wrote the game, you played the game. They wrote the game without gay options, thus he wasn't gay. Pointless discussion. Was Mario gay because he didn't show romantic interest in Peach? How about Link? Master Chief? 

Dude, if there is NO coded option for a character to be gay, yet multiple ones for them being straight, then the decision you make not to engage in a romance does not show evidence for their sexual preference. That's just ignorant.

So if I skip the cutscene in Assassin's Creed where Ezio has a tryst, I guess "my Ezio" was really homosexual?

Come on, be realistic.

Your logic is flawed,  Mario, Link,  and Ezio are defined characters.  The character of Shepherd is a blank slate free to be interpreted by the player.  Also,  Shepherd never HAS to be in a relationship as such,  there is no way to pin him down as a straight character.  

For crying out loud... so is Shepard. It's not a blank-slate, especially in that there were ZERO programmed options to be gay in 1 or 2. Code written to define the parameters of Shepard's sexual orientation. That's not a lack of definition, it's complete definition. If you don't like that, complain about the fact that there wasn't a simple decision made way back in the development process for gay LI and also an option to simply choose your characters orientation. 

[SennenScale]

Clonedzero wrote...

SennenScale wrote...
Let's say I were to accept such an idea. I do not, but let's pretend for a moment. There is nothing in anything Shepard does that makes him straight or gay. Nor is this an area which we can safely judge such.

where did i suggest that?

in fact a couple pages back i wrote a reason explaining why shepard could in fact be gay and tis entirely up to the person controlling shepard to roleplay the part.

i was just saying that your sexual orientation (or even lack there of) indeed does have an effect on your personality. noticable? maybe not.

This thread goes fast, I missed any post like that.

Let's go back to what I originally was saying though. I was just saying a lot of straight people have this tendency to think gayness or bisexuality has this huge, gigantic, dramatic effect on who you are, and I find that to be a silly idea. Especially in light of my own experiences, which I tend to trust more than studies, seeing as how for every study that says one thing, there is a mutually exclusive and contradictory one out there.

[Centauri2002]

Phaelducan wrote...

That's ridiculous, no offense. Bioware wrote the game, you played the game. They wrote the game without gay options, thus he wasn't gay. Pointless discussion. Was Mario gay because he didn't show romantic interest in Peach? How about Link? Master Chief? 

Dude, if there is NO coded option for a character to be gay, yet multiple ones for them being straight, then the decision you make not to engage in a romance does not show evidence for their sexual preference. That's just ignorant.

So if I skip the cutscene in Assassin's Creed where Ezio has a tryst, I guess "my Ezio" was really homosexual?

Come on, be realistic.

Why are you so insistent on forcing your view of Shepard and your version of a play through on other people?

I'll have you know my Shepard is gay. She's only ever expressed interest in female characters and only ever slept with one. 

All BioWare are doing is rectifying the big honkin' double standard that was in effect before and allowing more players to enjoy the romances as much as the rest of us. How can that be wrong?

[Saeran]

Phaelducan wrote...

So using your same argument, why can't you say your shep is gay, and create a backstory around that, without specific game resource being devoted to it?

Nice touch minimizing someone else's minority struggles while you play up yours, btw. This always ends up being the same old tired argument, that somehow being one minority entitled you to better representation over other minorities.

Why no Native American L.I.? How about Basque, Asian, or maybe Albino or pygmy?

You aren't the only ones under-represented in video games, incidently.

He can be roleplayed as such without the resources of past games.

And I don't think anyone here is going to stop you from creating a thread or a petition (or however you feel going about it) to try and obtain what you think would improve the game for you. Whether BioWare decide to include it... well that's up to them. See how many people you get to sign it, maybe it's (whatever it is) a really popular idea and get included eventually.

[Siansonea]

*snipped quote pyramids*

Wereparrot wrote...
But you can't call Shepherd gay either, and that's the point. It is something beyond the realms of reality, and for this you surely must make allowances.

So I have to make allowances for the fact that Shepard MIGHT NOT BE gay, but you don't have to make allowances that Shepard MIGHT BE gay? How does that work exactly? 


As far as I know, ME3 will definitely allow for a non-gay Shepard, but don't quote me on that, the game IS still in development.

So Shepherd could be racist or otherwise prejudiced because he's not forced to declare that he's not?

Uh, I guess. Sure, you feel free to role-play Racist Shepard. You even have the douchey Renegade dialog choices to establish some background for his general awfulness. The same way I can throw some pink armor on my Sentinel to provide some background for his general fabulousness.

[naledgeborn]

Phaelducan wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

You are missing the point. Say I'm Irish (just for the sake of argument), and not just Irish descent, but actually Irish. Should I be offended that Shep can't also be Irish?

Appearances notwithstanding, what if I want Shep to speak Gaelic, or have my accent? Or in any other way look/sound/act like I do. 

If I can't get that, why does that mean I have to be offended? Aren't we mature enough to accept that not everyone should be represented by our own minority?

Bioware already does a pretty good job of allowing for lots of diversity, but it doesn't have to be everything, for all of their games. The last AAA title allowed for a gay protagonist, and now the next one will as well... even though it's the third in a trilogy in which the first two did NOT allow for that option.

Stop playing the "anyone who disagrees with me is committing a hate crime" card. It's simply that ME3 shouldn't have to change what is in 2 and 1 just to appease a vocal minority. He wasn't gay (quantifiably, or he would have had options to romance same-sex), and now he can be. That's a change, which is irritating.

Why can't Shepard be Irish?  Earthborn Shepards don't explicitly state what part of Earth they were from.  You're welcome to state that they're Irish and build up a backstory around it.  It just so happens that Shepard's locality doesn't play a major factor in any aspect of the game.  You could be disappointed that Shepard can't speak with an accent, or that Shepard is a righty and not a lefty, or that they can't have a mohawk, but "limitations of development time" blah blah blah...

Of course that's not the point of the previous statement.  The point was that you didn't see an issue with saying that a certain minority cannot define their made-up character to be like them.  And if you want to bring up the whole Irish thing again, you can, but outside of England and 1920's North America, the Irish aren't really a minority that has a lot of hate surrounding them.

And I'm not saying that you're committing a hate crime by throwing up weak arguments in an attempt to explain why you don't want to allow (other people's) Shepards to have s/s romances in ME3.

So using your same argument, why can't you say your shep is gay, and create a backstory around that, without specific game resource being devoted to it?

Nice touch minimizing someone else's minority struggles while you play up yours, btw. This always ends up being the same old tired argument, that somehow being one minority entitled you to better representation over other minorities.

Why no Native American L.I.? How about Basque, Asian, or maybe Albino or pygmy?

You aren't the only ones under-represented in video games, incidently.

Good points. I have a Muslim Shepard. It's not like I can make Shepard go to the captains cabin and have him pray 5 times a day. But I'm not complaining.....

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Characters with an established sexual preference should not change or there will be another fail like DA2.

[CajNatalie]

Y'know, gay people aren't common, as much as certain people with issues may fear.
It makes perfect sense for there to be no gay options in the first two games... the chances of having a gay squadmate, and not only that, but a compatible one with Shepard are very... very low.

Technically this argument applies both for and against same-sexing in the third game. But just because something's low-odds doesn't make it impossible. So one game out of three with a potential for certain Sheps to show their gay off is fine.
I believe I've cancelled out the against part of my argument with that addenum.

By the way, despite being in support of this, I would heavily suggest to Bioware that having someone as a potential LI, whether straight or not, does not cancel out the chance to pick the options for being a 'good friend', and the flirtatious options are always put on the left maybe with a different color text like charm/intimidate are... like I dunno, purple?
We don't need any more forced 'omnomnom Jacob' moments like what ME2 femsheps have to endure.

Edit: Here we go, Bioware should make it so you can pick Shep's sexuality in the character creation/import.
No unwanted romance options will appear - period!

Modifié par CajNatalie, 16 mai 2011 - 07:15 .

[Phaelducan]

ipgd wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

So using your same argument, why can't you say your shep is gay, and create a backstory around that, without specific game resource being devoted to it?

I say I did exactly that for ME1 and 2, and you say to me:

That's ridiculous, no offense. Bioware wrote the game, you played the game. They wrote the game without gay options, thus he wasn't gay. Pointless discussion. Was Mario gay because he didn't show romantic interest in Peach? How about Link? Master Chief?

So, which is it? You know, you can just admit you're a bigot and be done with it. There's no need to dance around it and try to justify it.

Pot, meet kettle.

Please re-read and notice the part about designating resources. So you are saying that it's ok for me to have to do my own retro-fit for my minority and not have game resources devoted specifically to me... but that if I suggest the same for you I'm a bigot?

Hypocrite.

[Matchy Pointy]

I'm all for it, it's abput time, and I havent seen a single character in ME come out with their established preference.

[Clonedzero]

SennenScale wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

SennenScale wrote...
Let's say I were to accept such an idea. I do not, but let's pretend for a moment. There is nothing in anything Shepard does that makes him straight or gay. Nor is this an area which we can safely judge such.

where did i suggest that?

in fact a couple pages back i wrote a reason explaining why shepard could in fact be gay and tis entirely up to the person controlling shepard to roleplay the part.

i was just saying that your sexual orientation (or even lack there of) indeed does have an effect on your personality. noticable? maybe not.

This thread goes fast, I missed any post like that.

Let's go back to what I originally was saying though. I was just saying a lot of straight people have this tendency to think gayness or bisexuality has this huge, gigantic, dramatic effect on who you are, and I find that to be a silly idea. Especially in light of my own experiences, which I tend to trust more than studies, seeing as how for every study that says one thing, there is a mutually exclusive and contradictory one out there.

wait are you stereotyping straight people as bigots that stereotype gay people who in turn stereotype straight people as bigots that....

WHAT? lol.

i mean right now this thread has sorta devolved into both sides being really bigoted and ignorant.

[Mr.House]

CajNatalie wrote...

Y'know, gay people aren't common, as much as some people with issues may fear.
It makes perfect sense for there to be no gay options in the first two games... the chances of having a gay squadmate, and not only that, but a compatible one with Shepard are very... very low.

Technically this argument applies both for and against same-sexing in the third game. But just because something's low-odds doesn't make it impossible. So one game out of three with a potential for certain Sheps to show their gay off is fine.
I believe I've cancelled out the against part of my argument with that addenum.

By the way, despite being in support of this, I would heavily suggest to Bioware that having someone as a potential LI, whether straight or not, does not cancel out the chance to pick the options for being a 'good friend', and the flirtatious options are always put on the left maybe with a different color text like charm/intimidate are... like I dunno, purple?
We don't need any more forced 'omnomnom Jacob' moments like what ME2 femsheps have to endure.

Seeing as most of my friends are gay/bi/lesbian they are common. Not all of us are fruity or make it well knowen.

Modifié par Mr.House, 16 mai 2011 - 07:15 .

[ipgd]

Wereparrot wrote...

Fine. I hope, considering this, that Shepherd can be openly homophobic towards those of the same gender who come on to him/her.


That's not the case in DAII, and it won't be the case in ME3.

I'm sure you'll have an opportunity to spitefully kill off any bisexual characters and satisfy any latent teenage boy nerd ragery, if not openly verbally abuse them. Worry not.

Phaelducan wrote...

For crying out loud... so is Shepard. It's not a blank-slate, especially in that there were ZERO programmed options to be gay in 1 or 2. Code written to define the parameters of Shepard's sexual orientation. That's not a lack of definition, it's complete definition. If you don't like that, complain about the fact that there wasn't a simple decision made way back in the development process for gay LI and also an option to simply choose your characters orientation. 

Strictly speaking, there are more than zero gay options programmed into the game already. They were cut before release, but they're still there!

No gay options did not mean Shepard could not be interested in men. It meant Kaidan, Garrus, Thane and Jacob were not interested in men. There is a distinction. Think about it.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Matchy Pointy wrote...
I'm all for it, it's abput time, and I havent seen a single character in ME come out with their established preference.

So would all of these characters have to be wearing badges saying "I'm straight" for that to be obvious enough? Because when somebody only shows an interest in women they are probably straight, you don't presume they are bisexual.

[Centauri2002]

naledgeborn wrote...

Good points. I have a Muslim Shepard. It's not like I can make Shepard go to the captains cabin and have him pray 5 times a day. But I'm not complaining.....

But had the options for a Christian Shepard and a Buddhist Shepard to practice their faith been implemented in the game, I think you may have reconsidered that position.

[TheMarshal]

Phaelducan wrote...

So using your same argument, why can't you say your shep is gay, and create a backstory around that, without specific game resource being devoted to it?

Nice touch minimizing someone else's minority struggles while you play up yours, btw. This always ends up being the same old tired argument, that somehow being one minority entitled you to better representation over other minorities.

Why no Native American L.I.? How about Basque, Asian, or maybe Albino or pygmy?

You aren't the only ones under-represented in video games, incidently.

If you want to boil it down to a matter of comparative resources needed for support, then same-sex romances involve relatively little.  Keeping Meer and Hale in the studio for another few hours, paying the writers a little longer to modify the dialogue (if/when necessary), maybe even a few new mo-cap animations, and you're done.  Compare that to paying a different VA to record every single line in the game with an Irish brogue (two voice actors, don't wanna leave out FemShep!).

For the record I'm not a minority.  I'm a straight, white male.  I'm like the anti-minority.  There is practically no place in the world or history where I could go and not be treated with respect.  The same cannot be said for women, gays, people of color, and yeah, the Irish.  I get that I lead a charmed life through no fault of my own, and rather than come up with weak-ass arguments to disallow people from enjoying a game the way that they want in a manner which has little to no effect on me whatsoever, I choose to 'Fight for the Love'™.

[Mr.House]

ReconTeam wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...
I'm all for it, it's abput time, and I havent seen a single character in ME come out with their established preference.

So would all of these characters have to be wearing badges saying "I'm straight" for that to be obvious enough? Because when somebody only shows an interest in women they are probably straight, you don't presume they are bisexual.

You also can't assume they are straight either.<_<

[Phaelducan]

centauri2002 wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

That's ridiculous, no offense. Bioware wrote the game, you played the game. They wrote the game without gay options, thus he wasn't gay. Pointless discussion. Was Mario gay because he didn't show romantic interest in Peach? How about Link? Master Chief? 

Dude, if there is NO coded option for a character to be gay, yet multiple ones for them being straight, then the decision you make not to engage in a romance does not show evidence for their sexual preference. That's just ignorant.

So if I skip the cutscene in Assassin's Creed where Ezio has a tryst, I guess "my Ezio" was really homosexual?

Come on, be realistic.

Why are you so insistent on forcing your view of Shepard and your version of a play through on other people?

I'll have you know my Shepard is gay. She's only ever expressed interest in female characters and only ever slept with one. 

All BioWare are doing is rectifying the big honkin' double standard that was in effect before and allowing more players to enjoy the romances as much as the rest of us. How can that be wrong?

It's not wrong in concept, it just should have been included since the first game. If it was an option since ME1 to be gay and pursue s/s romances, this would be a non-issue. What is unfortunate is that it wasn't included in 1 OR 2, and now to put it in ME3 is forced, unrealistic, and is going to require resources allocated that shouldn't be.