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#1126
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Ryzaki wrote...

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Then what was it?

I didn't felt disconnected.


I just told you. The death of Shepard, the isolation from a lot of his crew, the destruction of the old normandy, working with Cerberus, how the council pretty much ignored you, and so on. 


I agree with this.

The moment to moment of ME2 was great (and it was a lot of fun to play), but the overall tone, the huge cast, and the story in general doesn't really gel with the first. I think the forced association with Cerberus is largely what did it for me, but I thought the cast was way too large too.

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jlb524 wrote...

I guess I just put more stock in a character's development outside of 'who do they want to sleep with'.

So do I, but sexuality is still a character triat.  It'd be equally weird if everyone on the crew was a trained sniper that liked cheese pizza and The Simpsons.

That makes no sense, sorry.  It's as if you are saying bisexual = Shepardsexual and they must have tunnel vision when it comes to love.

In the context of the game, yeah, it's just Shepard.  See Garrus jumping the species boundary--I imagine it'd be equally weird for a few characters to jump the sexuality boundary as well.  Not that I don't like Garrus as an LI (he's my favorite), but all these people either making exceptions on Shepard's behalf or being designed specifically as a romance option for Shepard?  It gets annoying.

Also, choice in Shepard's gender all ready matters squat.   People still have preferences though for one of the other, but that's not based on anything that happens in game.

Making certain LIs available for only certain Shepards makes the gender deicsion matter more.  Sure, it doesn't affect gameplay, but it does give a reason to try out a gender other than "I like the voice better."  It's kind of like how you only get access to the specialty weapons (Widow, etc) if you play a certain class.  I like stuff like that since it gives me an excuse to try playing differently the next go-round, and the changes won't be just aesthetic.

There's two different ways to look at it...looking meta and at all the possible romances Shepard can do, you can say, "Oh look, Shepard is such a charmer...look at all the peeps he/she can possibly bed" and if you want to RP the galaxy's biggest bachelor/bachelorette and bed all of them in on PT then that's fine.  I don't see it that way...in game, the LIs I don't pursue just are never interested in Shepard...only the ones I do actually pursue are interested.  The entire game plays like this to an extent...there are many alternate possibilites with Shepard and most of them I don't pursue and will never pursue, like killing Shiala.  Just b/c it's a possible option doesn't mean my Shepard is a douche for it being an option, even if I don' t take it.

Nonetheless, it's creepy, unrealistic, and a little overwhelming.  Right now, either gender can choose from five LIs--that's a whole helluva lot.  Making everyone bi jumps that number up to nine.  Now, there's only 17 total squadmates counting Morinth.  With gender-exclusives, only 30% of crewmates can fall for Shepard, which is a decent number.  But if they're all bi, over half of them can fall for Shepard.  I don't know about you, but I cannot see myself potentially wooing half the people I'm close to.  Basically, I'm trying to avoid LI overload.

That was just a counter argument.

It was a pretty crap one, to be honest.

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same sex Li do not cheapen the deep richness of the story for me3

Modifié par Lancer2185, 16 mai 2011 - 09:21 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

I just told you. The death of Shepard,


And?

the isolation from a lot of his crew,



We get Garrus and Tali back to crew, we got Liara in LotSB for a little.

I can understand VS a lot, but Wrex is king of Krogans so not a big loss.

the destruction of the old normandy,


We get new one we which is pretty much only bigger.

working with Cerberus,



Well you SHOULD feel bad for working for them.

how the council pretty much ignored you, and so on.


How they're more different then in ME1. I'm glad I get them killed with my canon.

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to be honest i don't want all previous romance options to be bi now, im okay if some do but all ending up bi bugs me

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Mesina2 wrote...

And?


And I felt like it was pointless. But again this is a YMMV so I don't know why you're jumping down my throat about it. I didn't say you had to feel the same way. We don't agree it happens. 

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Mesina2 wrote...

working with Cerberus,

Well you SHOULD feel bad for working for them.


If we chose to, yes. As it stands, my relationship with Cerberus borders on noncon.

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JeffZero wrote...

I think the only thing about ME2's plot that bothered me was the Council ignoring Shepard so absolutely. Everything else was gravy.


That and how humans overtook the Citadel despite your saving the council ... I would have preferred a Turian still over C-SEC & a Salarian checking people through if you saved the council. It just felt like there was no real difference felt on the Citadel regarding the decision.

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I'm fine with it as long as they take a more mature approach than the other two games (I'm talking about BOTH kind of romance, I'm pretty tired of the "Shepard, you were nice to me during 20 min, now... Let's have a special time!)

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congrats this is on Kotaku
http://kotaku.com/58...ies-alter-canon

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AdmiralCheez wrote...
So do I, but sexuality is still a character triat.  It'd be equally weird if everyone on the crew was a trained sniper that liked cheese pizza and The Simpsons.


I think this is getting nitpicky.  Here's the thing, my fave LI/character is Liara.  If they decided to make her only available to male Shepards (perhaps b/c asari go through some weird phase where they only want to meld with males of other species and this phase lasts 300 years...whatever), but keep her personality and continue her previous Shadow Broker story, I don't feel justified in saying that BW completely ruined her character/changed her character/OMG THE WORLD WILL END b/c they changed one thing that only affects who she wants to bed.  Of course, it would suck for me, as I wouldn't be able to continue the romance from before, but she's still very much Liara.  Though, in this case, they are removing choice instead of adding it, and that sucks...but if it happens, it does and Liara isn't 'ruined' b/c the things I like most about her are still intact.

I think people make too much of a deal out of sexuality....no one cares much about how many people may or may not like cheese pizza though.

AdmiralCheez wrote...
In the context of the game, yeah, it's just Shepard.  See Garrus jumping the species boundary--I imagine it'd be equally weird for a few characters to jump the sexuality boundary as well.  Not that I don't like Garrus as an LI (he's my favorite), but all these people either making exceptions on Shepard's behalf or being designed specifically as a romance option for Shepard?  It gets annoying.


No one says it has to be that way...these characters could be legitimate bisexuals.

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Making certain LIs available for only certain Shepards makes the gender deicsion matter more.  Sure, it doesn't affect gameplay, but it does give a reason to try out a gender other than "I like the voice better."  It's kind of like how you only get access to the specialty weapons (Widow, etc) if you play a certain class.  I like stuff like that since it gives me an excuse to try playing differently the next go-round, and the changes won't be just aesthetic.


Or, you could look it at as limiting...if you despise playing FemShep for whatever reason, but want Thane, you will miss out.

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Nonetheless, it's creepy, unrealistic, and a little overwhelming.  Right now, either gender can choose from five LIs--that's a whole helluva lot.  Making everyone bi jumps that number up to nine.  Now, there's only 17 total squadmates counting Morinth.  With gender-exclusives, only 30% of crewmates can fall for Shepard, which is a decent number.  But if they're all bi, over half of them can fall for Shepard.  I don't know about you, but I cannot see myself potentially wooing half the people I'm close to.  Basically, I'm trying to avoid LI overload.


Still, 'can' fall is not 'falling'...yes, if all of them tried to initiate a romance with you regardless then that would be odd.

I bet some people can see themselves wooing the whole crew, I can't see this myself just as you state...but I don't see that. I don't see my Shepard as having a possible chance with Thane/Garrus/Jacob even though they are possible LIs.

Anyway, this LI overload thing only seems to come up in threads like this...it's quite troubling as it always comes back to sexuality and makes a big deal out of it. Anywhere else, moar LIs is good....Joker for LI, Kasumi for LI, etc.

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at least the response has been mostly positive, a lot of times when i see a thread like this some people will not even consider the possibility of same sex Li

Modifié par Lancer2185, 16 mai 2011 - 09:43 .


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id like a lesbian tali romance for fem shep maybe jack as welll since she says she's been with women before(if I remember correctly) cant think who would fit for the guys though i guess the new guy

#1139
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jlb524 wrote...

*doot doot snip of legitimate counter arguments that would only result in "i agree/disagree" if i addressed and would only add to wall of text with mostly just my opinions doot doot*

Anyway, this LI overload thing only seems to come up in threads like this...it's quite troubling as it always comes back to sexuality and makes a big deal out of it. Anywhere else, moar LIs is good....Joker for LI, Kasumi for LI, etc.

I am opposed to making Joker and Kasumi LIs.  In fact, I would have been opposed to making Tali and Garrus LIs back in the day as well (proving that my opinion can change drastically because GARRUS OMG <3).  Really, all I wanted was for two new LIs in ME3 to cover the n00bs for the sake of fairness, and I was really hoping at least one of them would be the much-coveted m/m option.  It looks like that's what we're getting, so I'm cool with that.

I actually don't mind one or two of the old characters becoming bi-options, but just... not all of them.  That's just too much.  For the same reason, I don't want all crewmates to be LIs in the first place.  Having every single character have this invisible sign over their head that says, "hey, you can sex me" just creeps me the hell out.

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...You don't want Joker as an LI AdmiralCheez.

*eyes narrow*

#1141
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Ryzaki wrote...

...You don't want Joker as an LI AdmiralCheez.

*eyes narrow*

Nope.  He's too much of a little brother.

It'd be like incest.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...You don't want Joker as an LI AdmiralCheez.

*eyes narrow*

Nope.  He's too much of a little brother.

It'd be like incest.


Well Garrus is my brother and you can romance him! 

So Joker should totally be an LI! *sticks tongue out childishly* 

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I hope Shep gets to say something like "I've been waiting a long time for this...".

I like those little in-jokes. Something that recognizes how sexually frustrated a gay Shep must be at this point. Posted Image

Modifié par Blacklash93, 16 mai 2011 - 10:00 .


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They should just make it Fable style, and let you marry any NPC you want. If its alive you can sex it.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...
Nope.  He's too much of a little brother.

It'd be like incest.


Also almost murder.

Poor guy can't even press a button without breaking his fingers.

#1146
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Ryzaki wrote...

Well Garrus is my brother and you can romance him! 

So Joker should totally be an LI! *sticks tongue out childishly*

Pfft, whatever.  You people and your silly opinions.

PS I would not have 'manced Garrus had he been pretty much the same as in ME1.  Mentor/student creeps me out--I would have felt like I was taking advantage of him.  Buuut he evolved into "badass best friend" so it was cool.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Nope.  He's too much of a little brother.

It'd be like incest.


Also almost murder.

Poor guy can't even press a button without breaking his fingers.

I'll be gentle.:innocent:

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But really,if BioWare decides to suddenly make characters such as Garrus bisexual...there'll be hell to pay.

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Ghost Warrior wrote...

But really,if BioWare decides to suddenly make characters such as Garrus bisexual...there'll be hell to pay.

It's a good thing not many actually want Garrus, then.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Pfft, whatever.  You people and your silly opinions.

PS I would not have 'manced Garrus had he been pretty much the same as in ME1.  Mentor/student creeps me out--I would have felt like I was taking advantage of him.  Buuut he evolved into "badass best friend" so it was cool.


:P

Joker's already a badass pilot though. So it's cool with me. As long as it's easily avoidable we should both be happy. :wub: Plus that way s/s romance people get all of the history (having a romance that went from ME1 to ME3) with none of the retconning. Everyone wins. :wizard: