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[SennenScale]

Ryzaki wrote...

You were trying to romance Anders right? 

I managed to do the same thing once. I took too long deciding to pick a heart icon and got permantely friendzoned. 

Same thing happened with all the LIs. But Anders was particularly embarassing because he's pretty easy to romance. 

Yep. We had a "I don't want to hurt you" conversation and though I picked the heart icon it broke the romance and nothing I did worked.
I remembered awakenings and it made me realize I have been rejected by the same NPC twice. *runs off to the emo corner*

[PMC65]

Ryzaki wrote...

Not that. Anders being a needy clingy character (he's been through hell) and he reaches out to dude Hawke for a little affection. 

THAT'S APPARENTLY THE WORSE THING EVER. 

Even though you can reject him and all you get is a sharp little "everyone's trying to control my thoughts." and 15 rivalry points. 

Let's ignore the fact that the poor dude just got his feelings stomped on and condemn him for daring to be hurt and flirt with M!Hawke a little.

And do note you have to be the nice guy for this to happen in hte first place, and once you rebuke him he doesn't bring it up again. 

OR you can reject him before he even opens his mouth and get no rivalry points at all. 

But apparently THAT'S TOO HARD! 

Well I do understand not wanting Garrus hitting on your Shep ... I don't even want that for my femshep.

Bioware needs to set it where it isn't going to make people uncomfortable ... that's fair, no?

I think that if Bioware takes some of the feedback from this and other threads to help execute this s/s relationships it may be ok. I don't want a loss to the fan base because I can't pay for Bioware to do the whole game.  ... and I would like future ME universe games.

Maybe they could have a romantic interupt like in LotSB.

[PMC65]

thatguy212 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
I haven't played DA2 yet ... but are you worried that Garrus will be dressed like Liberace in ME3?

someone needs to make a picture of this

I said it and now I can't get the image out of my head!

[Ryzaki]

paptschik wrote...

But what if one wants to be a nice guy that's not gay? Not all straight males are jerks you know. Why does not wanting to be with Anders make MHawke the bad guy stomping on the poor mans feelings?
Hawke is as much a victim there because Hawke ends up in the very uncomfortable situation of having to let down a friend and gaining rivalry points. And for what crime? Being nice to a bisexual friend even though you're straight yourself.

 

Uh...no. That's why there's a magical rejection option. Sometimes in life no matter how gently you let someone down they'e gonna be hurt. That's why you got rivalry points. It's not some sort of nefarious plot to turn your male Hawke gay. My gay Male Hawkes have gladly rivaled Ander because its the only way he becomes someone sane.But if you're so hurt about those 15 rivalry points talk to him again and tell him mages rule! (Or better yet use some snarky options. Diplomatic Hawke is just...boring to play really). That alone will give you back those 15 points. Take him to the gallows with Fenris and tell Fenris caging mages is wrong. Be all RA RA mages and those 15 points will mean nothing and you'll be bestest buddies.  

And again you're rejecting him. It doesn't matter how nice you are about it. The same thing happened to my male Hawke and Merrill (accidently pressed a heart). Does that mean Merrillwas being forced on him? Of course not. Merrill just reacted to his rejection. Like anyone would no matter how nice you were. 

And honestly that diplomatic option should've been labeled with a heart .If it had been half the qq'ing now wouldn't be going on. "You can only make them with a true heart..." what kind of hammy crap is that? Why would anyone *want* their Hawke to say that cheesy crap? *doesn't see the appeal in being diplomatic Hawke who is not only boring but has the hammiest and chessiest lines of all the personalities* 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mai 2011 - 01:37 .

[Eromenos]

Finally.

They should give the LIs full-treatment a la DA2. At the very least. No tokens, no cop-outs, no exploitations, no lip-service to any blatantly segregated hierarchy of sexuality. Also unnecessary: "coming-out PSAs" for the indignant people who are clutching their pearls about this.

It'll be nice if ME finally goes all the way.

[Ryzaki]

PMC65 wrote...
Well I do understand not wanting Garrus hitting on your Shep ... I don't even want that for my femshep. 

Bioware needs to set it where it isn't going to make people uncomfortable ... that's fair, no?

I think that if Bioware takes some of the feedback from this and other threads to help execute this s/s relationships it may be ok. I don't want a loss to the fan base because I can't pay for Bioware to do the whole game.  ... and I would like future ME universe games.

Maybe they could have a romantic interupt like in LotSB. 

Unlike Anders, Garrus hitting on Shepard first would be OOC. 

But I agree about not liking people hitting on your character. I just wish some people could be mature about it. Isabela hit on my Hawke and I didn't run around screaming OMG GAY GAY GAY GAY! 

The best compromise I've set yet is to make sure all romances are player initated. That would be the best solution for all romances because I'm sick of being ninjamanced in Mass Effect. It's annoying. Gay or straight. 

SennenScale wrote...
Yep. We had a "I don't want to hurt you" conversation and though I picked the heart icon it broke the romance and nothing I did worked.
I remembered awakenings and it made me realize I have been rejected by the same NPC twice. *runs off to the emo corner*

*hugs* 

Poor thing. 

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Good time for an "out the airlock" mod.

[Torhagen]

Eromenos wrote...

Finally.

They should give the LIs full-treatment a la DA2. At the very least. No tokens, no cop-outs, no exploitations, no lip-service to any blatantly segregated hierarchy of sexuality. Also unnecessary: "coming-out PSAs" for the indignant people who are clutching their pearls about this.

It'll be nice if ME finally goes all the way.

Exactly This

[James2912]

Ryzaki wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
Well I do understand not wanting Garrus hitting on your Shep ... I don't even want that for my femshep. 

Bioware needs to set it where it isn't going to make people uncomfortable ... that's fair, no?

I think that if Bioware takes some of the feedback from this and other threads to help execute this s/s relationships it may be ok. I don't want a loss to the fan base because I can't pay for Bioware to do the whole game.  ... and I would like future ME universe games.

Maybe they could have a romantic interupt like in LotSB. 

Unlike Anders, Garrus hitting on Shepard first would be OOC. 

But I agree about not liking people hitting on your character. I just wish some people could be mature about it. Isabela hit on my Hawke and I didn't run around screaming OMG GAY GAY GAY GAY! 

The best compromise I've set yet is to make sure all romances are player initated. That would be the best solution for all romances because I'm sick of being ninjamanced in Mass Effect. It's annoying. Gay or straight. 

SennenScale wrote...
Yep. We had a "I don't want to hurt you" conversation and though I picked the heart icon it broke the romance and nothing I did worked.
I remembered awakenings and it made me realize I have been rejected by the same NPC twice. *runs off to the emo corner*

*hugs* 

Poor thing. 

agreed player initiated romances only for both genders! No ninjamancing for any sexuality!

[paptschik]

Olwydd wrote...

paptschik wrote...

But if Garrus or Joker or Tali or Jack became bi (even if Jack seems to have at least tried it)....well, that would be official canon telling me "you're ME universe is incorrect". I can roleplay my Shep the way I like and that's great...but the other characters are beyond my control and if they are bi, they will always be bi and I can never state my opinion that they are straight, because I will ALWAYS be wrong, because, like Anders, they suddenly will have always been bi.
And..I just don't like that.

But the thing is, non-player characters are not supposed to be under your control. And they can change or open up to you at the writer's discretion. Characters aren't static, especially in an interactive media like a video game where they have to respond to player decisions. But more importantly, what you perceive of them is not the totality of what they are. Thus Tali might well be bisexual - she may just take a little longer coming out with her feelings to a female Shepard than a male Shepard, for whatever perfectly explainable reason. That's not a retcon, that's character development and growth.

I wouldn't say growth or development, because that makes it sound like they would become better for it. It is change, that is all it is....but it may not be change everyone wants and it IS drastic change at a very late point. BUT - if they develop..if THAT is what happens...I would be more okay with it. But that is work I do not see the creators putting into this. It would need a LOT of dialog to now have the characters develop in that direction in a logical and meaningful way and not simply BE there. And them just now BEING bi, not becoming bi, just BEING bi, that too me would be a retcon. I know it wouldn't be to others because they already see the characters as bi...good for them. But if it happens without explanation it would be an annoyance and unwelcome to me.

Which is why I would be in favor of the homosexual li being new. I can see people wanting more, I can.
I'm still waiting for my dwarf romance in Dragon Age and hope for Varric and Sigrun in DA3, so I'm not even opposed to characters becoming romancable in a sequel if they weren't previously....but I don't know....I just wouldn't like it with certain characters. It's a personal thing, I know.
Doesn't change that being told that "how you thought about the game was wrong" is something that does not exactly add to the enjoyment of the game.

[SennenScale]

@last few posts

I really do support romances being optional/player initiated though. Would rather get a broken heart than be forced into the romances. It means more when you aren't being forced in the romance, even if you LIKE the LI regardless.


Thanks for the hug, Ryzaki! *hug back*

[Seven_Two_One]

I know two sides are trying to meet each other halfway here but as a player looking for FemShep / female romances I cannot accept just leaving Liara as the bi character. BioWare's official stance (and Casey Hudson's in many interviews) for the longest time has been that a FemShep/Liara relationship isn't a lesbian one because the asari are a monogendered species - therefore, while they act and talk and certainly look like females, they're not and so the whole FemShep/Liara thing is in some other kind of hypothetical category.

Fine. I've never agreed with it but fine. HOWEVER - if Mr. Hudson is now promising outright "same-sex for m&f chars.", then I think he owes us at least ONE romance where there is no question of it being female/female.

...and that's why I think it should be Ashley ;P

[Placeholder1]

Eromenos wrote...

Finally.

They should give the LIs full-treatment a la DA2. At the very least. No tokens, no cop-outs, no exploitations, no lip-service to any blatantly segregated hierarchy of sexuality. Also unnecessary: "coming-out PSAs" for the indignant people who are clutching their pearls about this.

It'll be nice if ME finally goes all the way.

I really can't agree with this if Garrus or Kaiden or whomever had been introducted within the first game as bi-sexual/homosexual than that would have been fine but suddenly changing an aspect of a character like that for the third and final part of trilogy just doesn't sit well with me. Introducing new love interests would make both parties happy those that want to see continuity for existing characters, while giving those who desire same sex relationships what they want.

Modifié par Placeholder1, 17 mai 2011 - 01:45 .

[paptschik]

Ryzaki wrote...

It's not some sort of nefarious plot to turn your male Hawke gay.

Not like I'd have a problem with that, even though I'd only play a gay Hawke with Fenris.

Ryzaki wrote...

And honestly that diplomatic option should've been labeled with a heart .If it had been half the qq'ing now wouldn't be going on.

Probably. And the heart-labels as they are probably saved everyone a lot of trouble anyway. They should find their way into ME3. I don't care if the other labels do, but the heart should.

[bellabri287]

I think if they suddenly make any of the ME1& LI bisexual in ME3 it will cheapen the romances for me. If they make anyone in M2 bisexual for ME3 they should have not been LI before, or should be new characters. To me, Kaidan and Ash just are not bisexual, like others have said if they were going to be they should have been from the start.

Another thing, in DA:2 having everyone bi made me always worried about accidentally flirting with someone, I felt like I couldn't just be nice or else one of them would want to jump me and possibly ruin my romance with another character.  Do not want in ME3!

Modifié par bellabri287, 17 mai 2011 - 01:48 .

[the_devils_aid]

I dont mind if there are same sex relationships in ME3, so long as the crew that wrote Anders in DA2 get locked as far away from the writing team as humanly possible

CAN I GET AN AMEN?!

[SilentNukee]

Placeholder1 wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Finally.

They should give the LIs full-treatment a la DA2. At the very least. No tokens, no cop-outs, no exploitations, no lip-service to any blatantly segregated hierarchy of sexuality. Also unnecessary: "coming-out PSAs" for the indignant people who are clutching their pearls about this.

It'll be nice if ME finally goes all the way.

I really can't agree with this if Garrus or Kaiden or whomever had been introducted within the first game as bi-sexual/homosexual than that would have been fine but suddenly changing an aspect of a character like for the third and final part of trilogly just doesn't sit well with me. Introducing new love interests would make both parties happy those that want to see continuity for existing characters, while giving those who desire same sex relationships what they want.

But again, no one says they're actually heterosexual. (Except for Jack.) So, it's ALWAYS a possibility that they can be, they just haven't shown many signs of it, just like Talimance in ME2 where she had no real signs of interest in ME1. They'll pull it off and it will be fine. People worry too much about it.

[paptschik]

Seven_Two_One wrote...

I know two sides are trying to meet each other halfway here but as a player looking for FemShep / female romances I cannot accept just leaving Liara as the bi character. BioWare's official stance (and Casey Hudson's in many interviews) for the longest time has been that a FemShep/Liara relationship isn't a lesbian one because the asari are a monogendered species - therefore, while they act and talk and certainly look like females, they're not and so the whole FemShep/Liara thing is in some other kind of hypothetical category.

Fine. I've never agreed with it but fine. HOWEVER - if Mr. Hudson is now promising outright "same-sex for m&f chars.", then I think he owes us at least ONE romance where there is no question of it being female/female.

...and that's why I think it should be Ashley ;P

Ashley, schmashley, they should just develop Kelly a bit more.

[javierabegazo]

Here's a tweet from one of the ME3 devs on twitter that I thought was interesting:
Twitter / @Manveer Heir: If it was 1967 right now w ...

[SennenScale]

bellabri287 wrote...

I think if they suddenly make any of the ME1& LI bisexual in ME3 it will cheapen the romances for me. If they make anyone in M2 bisexual for ME3 they should have not been LI before, or should be new characters. To me, Kaidan and Ash just are not bisexual, like other have said if they were going to be they should have been from the start.

Another thing, in DA:2 having everyone bi made me always worried about accidentally flirting with someone, I felt like I couldn't just be nice or else one of them would want to jump me and possibly ruin my romance with another character.

Except for the Anders issue, you shouldn't be able to get into a romance without picking the <3 labelled options, so just avoid 'em and no worries.

As for Anders, well, you can pick the snarky answer for that one conversation and it never comes up. Or you could try the aggressive option (though I haven't tried it myself): they usually seem to just be direct rather than mean.

[rabidhanar]

Why Ashley in particular? Couldn't another character or even better, a new character, play out this role? Personally I do not see Ashley as a bisexual in the least. Her religion could have an issue with it and she has the line with her sister involving Kaiden (my how a confrontation between Femshep and Ashley could have been planned, alas).

I would like to hear your thoughts on having Ashley as a bisexual in ME3.

[Ryzaki]

paptschik wrote...
Not like I'd have a problem with that, even though I'd only play a gay Hawke with Fenris.

You don't have to. The point stands. I think you get rivalry from everyone except Izzy for rejecting them. Fenris gave me +5 rivalry. Most of the time I've noticed people rival Fenris so they don't notice it. (Either that or I always manage to ****** him off...) 

Probably. And the heart-labels as they are probably saved everyone a lot of trouble anyway. They should find their way into ME3. I don't care if the other labels do, but the heart should.

They did. I know I would've been in trouble if I had pressed the heart choices without that big ol' heart.  I did it once for the lulz and everyone and their mother was trying to romance me at once. Never again. 

ME should have some green text or something...I'm sick of Jack telling me to F*** OFF! 

It was hilarious though. 

[paptschik]

javierabegazo wrote...

Here's a tweet from one of the ME3 devs on twitter that I thought was interesting:
Twitter / @Manveer Heir: If it was 1967 right now w ...

....
But same sex relationships are pretty normal for Bioware. I don't see the progress, frankly, I think it's actually a bit of a fail that they weren't there in the first place and a large part of the people having issues right now wouldn't have them if that would have been the case.

[Ryzaki]

javierabegazo wrote...

Here's a tweet from one of the ME3 devs on twitter that I thought was interesting:
Twitter / @Manveer Heir: If it was 1967 right now w ...

that amuses me far more than it should. Progress indeed. Would've been more progress in ME1. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mai 2011 - 01:54 .

[Eradyn]

javierabegazo wrote...

Here's a tweet from one of the ME3 devs on twitter that I thought was interesting:
Twitter / @Manveer Heir: If it was 1967 right now w ...

To be fair, I think most people here are for having homosexual or bisexual LIs in ME3.  I think the issue comes down to people either wanting already-established LIs to have a shift in orientation, or if it should instead be new LIs that are designed to be homosexual or bisexual from the ground up.  I prefer the latter.  Others may, and do, disagree.