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[SilentNukee]

tishyw wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

[The point isn't for EVERYONE to have the option, but only old members such a Ashley/Kaidan/Liara/Garrus and Tali, and that leaves us with 1-2 options for s/s on both sides.
Why does everyone assume we mean ALL of the old squaddies to have that option open when we say that? ...

Because some of us don't want that either SilentNukee!  Personally if they're going to make old love interest gay/bi, I'd prefer it if it was the ones from ME2 not the ones from ME.
We all know you want the ME love interests, you've been pushing that agenda since it was announced.

Well, why wouldn't I? We've had far more greater history with them than we did with the squaddies in ME2. Some might prefer ME2 squaddies, I personally don't.

[RaenImrahl]

Siansonea II wrote...

But the perennial idea that Shepard is canonically heterosexual is a textbook "disingenuous assertion" if you ask me.

See.  I like that.  That's a nice declarative statement.  It stands on its own.  It doesn't need support or repetitive argument. Good use of words, that.

You're good at making statements like that.  So why do you insist on tarnishing such sterling efforts by repeatedly thrashing about with each new poster to this thread?  The snark and snipe I've seen tonight is unbecoming of someone who can state thoughts as clearly as that sentence above. 

[James2912]

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"Frankly, when the conversation has reached the point where peope are sterotyping the crap out of straight males (god, I love being an Acceptable Target) and discussing the need to stealth an NPC open to homosexual relationships on the team, I think it's far beyond any sort of reasonable discussion and more into "you don't agree with me, you must be a homophobe/fruity fairy" territory. 
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Haha towards the acceptable target point try being a straight white male, you become the epidomy of evil. Once one of my teachers in middle school was giving a talk on the n a z i s and to illustrate how evil they were he pointed out the people in the class that the ****s would kill and those they would like. There was one other white guy in the class and we both had to stand up because we would supposedly be the only survivors, because we were the only people the ****s would like! (i live in an area thatt is majority minority) lol my teacher had no idea i was Jewish! I didn't want to leave the other guy standing a lone so I just stayed quiet!

Modifié par James2912, 17 mai 2011 - 04:37 .

[Siansonea]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

But the perennial idea that Shepard is canonically heterosexual is a textbook "disingenuous assertion" if you ask me.

See.  I like that.  That's a nice declarative statement.  It stands on its own.  It doesn't need support or repetitive argument. Good use of words, that.

You're good at making statements like that.  So why do you insist on tarnishing such sterling efforts by repeatedly thrashing about with each new poster to this thread?  The snark and snipe I've seen tonight is unbecoming of someone who can state thoughts as clearly as that sentence above. 

Hey, nobody's perfect, right?

[M-Sinistrari]

Ryzaki wrote...

True that's why there really should be 4 new LIs. And they should all be squaddies and s/s options.

That way no crew members have to be "turned" bisexual and everyone is happy and has a choice.

Would that be an okay compromise?

Only downside to that is the "Too many damn teammates" situation.  However that could easily get mitigated with not having everyone on the ship at the same time.

[SilentNukee]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

But the perennial idea that Shepard is canonically heterosexual is a textbook "disingenuous assertion" if you ask me.

See.  I like that.  That's a nice declarative statement.  It stands on its own.  It doesn't need support or repetitive argument. Good use of words, that.

You're good at making statements like that.  So why do you insist on tarnishing such sterling efforts by repeatedly thrashing about with each new poster to this thread?  The snark and snipe I've seen tonight is unbecoming of someone who can state thoughts as clearly as that sentence above. 

If my english was more sofisticated, I would.  Sadly, I'm a silly french Canadian.

[lovgreno]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

Or they will just irrationally hate Garrus for "turning gay" or scream at Bioware in rage for "turning him gay". I don't think we can really win that battle.

Make no mistake, I would love to see a LI from a previous game open up. I would. Just watching the rage would be enough for me, heh.

No kidding, mate.  The rage is the #1 reason I'd like to avoid bi-ifying old crewmates.  Bioware would have to be suicidal.  I mean, me personally?  I wouldn't mind if it was done well at all (so long as it wasn't everyone), but seriously, if there's one thing I've learned from my male gamer friends, it is that Bromance is Sacred, and Brotherly Love is Holy.

Most dudes who crush on Garrus don't mind making a FemShep, anyway.

Yeah, that's me alright.

But since I suspect that some of my dear fangirl friends would like  to see some turian/human m/m loving I won't complain if BioWare decides to zevranise Brokarian. The more people that can enjoy the game the better and more profitable for BioWare and it's not like I will have to choose a option I don't personaly like right?

[Marta Rio]

Ryzaki wrote...

True that's why there really should be 4 new LIs. And they should all be squaddies and s/s options.

That way no crew members have to be "turned" bisexual and everyone is happy and has a choice.

Would that be an okay compromise?

I'm cool with this, although it does conjure up the following in my mind:

Shepard:  So I need to replace some crewmembers.  Your name was suggested.
New crewmember candidate: Awesome, I'd love to be on your crew!
Shepard:  I just have one question.  Are you romantically interested in (a) men only, ( women only, or © both?
NCC: Uh, ( I guess?
Shepard: GTFO.

[Ryzaki]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

True that's why there really should be 4 new LIs. And they should all be squaddies and s/s options.

That way no crew members have to be "turned" bisexual and everyone is happy and has a choice.

Would that be an okay compromise?

Only downside to that is the "Too many damn teammates" situation.  However that could easily get mitigated with not having everyone on the ship at the same time.

That's 8 squaddies if no one from ME2 is a permanent squaddie. Its perfectly doable  in that case. 

But to be fair take 2 of those squaddies and make them the doctor (the male paragon) and maybe...give the female something to do (maybe the scientist who developes weapons and anti-reaper countermeasures for Shepard's armor?). They need to be on the Normandy however. Fighting with Shepard in combat or not. 

That way you only end up with, VS, Liara, Garrus, Tali, Squaddie 1 (might be Vega), Squaddie 2 (female LI). 

That way it's only 6 and you have about 2 spots (I have a feeling they don't want to go above eight) for ME2 characters. 

See this is why I would've preferred bisexual LIs from previous games because they wouldn't have had to be pushed aside for new LIs. Ah well. Actually nah. I want them all squaddies. The doctor/scientist could fight and would get more intereaction/banter that way. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mai 2011 - 04:43 .

[SennenScale]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

True that's why there really should be 4 new LIs. And they should all be squaddies and s/s options.

That way no crew members have to be "turned" bisexual and everyone is happy and has a choice.

Would that be an okay compromise?

Only downside to that is the "Too many damn teammates" situation.  However that could easily get mitigated with not having everyone on the ship at the same time.

Well, they already HAVE to have two new teammates in case both the minimum survivors of the Suicide Mission are cameo characters. Why not kill two birds with one stone?

[Ryzaki]

Marta Rio wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

True that's why there really should be 4 new LIs. And they should all be squaddies and s/s options.

That way no crew members have to be "turned" bisexual and everyone is happy and has a choice.

Would that be an okay compromise?

I'm cool with this, although it does conjure up the following in my mind:

Shepard:  So I need to replace some crewmembers.  Your name was suggested.
New crewmember candidate: Awesome, I'd love to be on your crew!
Shepard:  I just have one question.  Are you romantically interested in (a) men only, ( women only, or © both?
NCC: Uh, ( I guess?
Shepard: GTFO.

Makes sense. Gay Shepard's sick of not having anyone to hit on. 

[PMC65]

SennenScale wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

I've played ME2 as both genders, but I only played ME1 as a male Shep so I've not see that "Dismissed Chief" line. Nevertheless I have to say that when reading the various things that people have posted as "evidence" of bisexuality of various characters in the previous two games, I get the feeling they're grasping at straws. If you stare really hard at a cloud in the sky for long enough, it can begin to take the shape of pretty much anything you like.

Well, the "Dismissed...Chief" "Ma'am" is the goodbye for Ash and Femshep's conversations. Given that it sticks out as UST for some of us and it ends every conversation, can you see, at least in theory, why it would seem like there could be something there?

It's called "Gaydar" ... That's how they know and you don't

[SleepySasquatch]

SilentNukee wrote...

Sigh...
I dislike when people say this "it'd be better to have the new characters be bi or homosexual to save from having to explain why the oldies have all suddenly and simultaneously had sexual epiphanies."
.......................... They never said they were straight to begin with, you all assume they are because they do not show signs of the stereotypical gay image you have in your head.
Jack is the only one who actually says anything of the sort, if you choose to have a paragon conversation with her after her loyalty mission as FemShep.

It's possible for Garrus to have sex with female Shepard (but not male Shepard) and Tali to have sex with male Shepard (but not female Shepard) despite the fact that it's possible to make your Shepard's basically identical in personality regardless of their sex. Hence, the implication is that they're romantically interested in the opposite sex but not the same sex.

Granted, you could argue that they could be bi, and that'd be a fair argument but it comes with the same issue. If they were bi previously why did they not think to flirt with you regardless of your sex? Your personality can be the same, and I can assure you they're not bothered by your physical looks (Seriously, my friends Shepard is just...just...Oh sweet Krogans of Croatia. He's just other-worldly ugly.) so logically it must be the fact that you're male/female.

Apologies if this comes across as aggressive as it's not my intention. Just offering an opinion

[SennenScale]

lovgreno wrote...
Yeah, that's me alright.

But since I suspect that some of my dear fangirl friends would like  to see some turian/human m/m loving I won't complain if BioWare decides to zevranise Brokarian. The more people that can enjoy the game the better and more profitable for BioWare and it's not like I will have to choose a option I don't personaly like right?

Well, we fangirls don't want him to turn into Zev. It should be brought up by Shep with a very clearly labelled dialogue option, I think, like the Femshep/Garrus romance.

Happy compromise?

[Ryzaki]

lovgreno wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

Or they will just irrationally hate Garrus for "turning gay" or scream at Bioware in rage for "turning him gay". I don't think we can really win that battle.

Make no mistake, I would love to see a LI from a previous game open up. I would. Just watching the rage would be enough for me, heh.

No kidding, mate.  The rage is the #1 reason I'd like to avoid bi-ifying old crewmates.  Bioware would have to be suicidal.  I mean, me personally?  I wouldn't mind if it was done well at all (so long as it wasn't everyone), but seriously, if there's one thing I've learned from my male gamer friends, it is that Bromance is Sacred, and Brotherly Love is Holy.

Most dudes who crush on Garrus don't mind making a FemShep, anyway.

Yeah, that's me alright.

But since I suspect that some of my dear fangirl friends would like  to see some turian/human m/m loving I won't complain if BioWare decides to zevranise Brokarian. The more people that can enjoy the game the better and more profitable for BioWare and it's not like I will have to choose a option I don't personaly like right?

As a fangirl if Garrus turned into a Zevran clone I'd kill him myself to spare him the misery.  

[Siansonea]

It would be cool if you had the option to have 8-10 squad mates, but you could choose among more than that number to customize your squad. You would have some who are there regardless, VS, Liara, James, and the others are up for grabs. You could keep Garrus, Legion, Mordin, Grunt, and Thane, but only recruit Tali if you make one of those boys give up their spot on the ship. Maybe it's too complicated, but it seems like it would be kind of cool. A manageable number of squad mates with lots of choices.

Might be a little off-topic, I'm not suggesting all these options be bisexual LIs, just to be clear...

Modifié par Siansonea II, 17 mai 2011 - 04:49 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

SleepySasquatch wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

Sigh...
I dislike when people say this "it'd be better to have the new characters be bi or homosexual to save from having to explain why the oldies have all suddenly and simultaneously had sexual epiphanies."
.......................... They never said they were straight to begin with, you all assume they are because they do not show signs of the stereotypical gay image you have in your head.
Jack is the only one who actually says anything of the sort, if you choose to have a paragon conversation with her after her loyalty mission as FemShep.

It's possible for Garrus to have sex with female Shepard (but not male Shepard) and Tali to have sex with male Shepard (but not female Shepard) despite the fact that it's possible to make your Shepard's basically identical in personality regardless of their sex. Hence, the implication is that they're romantically interested in the opposite sex but not the same sex.

Granted, you could argue that they could be bi, and that'd be a fair argument but it comes with the same issue. If they were bi previously why did they not think to flirt with you regardless of your sex? Your personality can be the same, and I can assure you they're not bothered by your physical looks (Seriously, my friends Shepard is just...just...Oh sweet Krogans of Croatia. He's just other-worldly ugly.) so logically it must be the fact that you're male/female.

Apologies if this comes across as aggressive as it's not my intention. Just offering an opinion

Maybe they didn't flirt with you before because they did some extranet research on human sexuality and saw that homosexuals and bisexuals were a minority, and also found references to nasty human history in relation to homosexuality? That would make me think twice about hitting on someone, and it would make sense in that case that Shepard has to hit on them first.

As for Garrus, you have to initiate the flirt with him anyway, and he already makes it pretty clear that femshep isn't really his type, but he'll give it a whirl.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 17 mai 2011 - 04:51 .

[SennenScale]

Siansonea II wrote...

It would be cool if you had the option to have 8-10 squad mates, but you could choose among more than that number to customize your squad. You would have some who are there regardless, VS, Liara, James, and the others are up for grabs. You could keep Garrus, Legion, Mordin, Grunt, and Thane, but only recruit Tali if you make one of those boys give up their spot on the ship. Maybe it's too complicated, but it seems like it would be kind of cool. A manageable number of squad mates with lots of choices.

It would make replays very rewarding if they did that. Plus I was never a fan of having squadmates sitting around that I didn't actually use. Support!

[CmmndrShepard]

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...

This had turned into the new Fight for the Love thread

In any event, I find it funny how some people are saying "but Kaiden was supposed to be bi in ME1!!!!!  He had romance linez but Bioware took them out!!!!111"

Yeah, they took it out.  There is no in-game, factual evidence that Shepard (male) is anything but a heterosexual male.  Has he had the opportunity to (and in many playthroughs for people, experience) a love affair/flirting with several different women: Ash, Liara, Shi'ira, Miranda, Jack, Kelly, Shiila, Parasini (could be missing some).  Does he ever even flirt with a guy?  I must have missed it in all of my playthroughs.  You would think, wouldn't you, that if Bioware had ever intended to truly make Shepard possibly bi/gay that they would have at least hinted at it in the first two games?

"But my Shepard didn't romance any girl in the first two games, so there's a chance he's gay/bi!"  How am I supposed to argue against this kind of testimony?


I know I will be barraged by about 25 posts in like 3 minutes, but I don't care.  Male shep shouldn't be gay. or bi, whatever.

i like what this guy said, but the fact he's a raider's fan might dampen his ethos...just kidding

[PMC65]

Ryzaki wrote...

actually now that I think about it...don't we need someone to replace Chakwas since she might be dead?

A cute blond male doctor...that wouldn't be too bad for a non-squaddie romance.

And I can have my renegade male Shepard b**** at him for being rough while treating Shep's injuries.

Dr. Chakwas is not dead! Wash you mouth out. That cougar is Shepard's secret squeeze.

[M-Sinistrari]

Siansonea II wrote...

It would be cool if you had the option to have 8-10 squad mates, but you could choose among more than that number to customize your squad. You would have some who are there regardless, VS, Liara, James, and the others are up for grabs. You could keep Garrus, Legion, Mordin, Grunt, and Thane, but only recruit Tali if you make one of those boys give up their spot on the ship. Maybe it's too complicated, but it seems like it would be kind of cool. A manageable number of squad mates with lots of choices.

Might be a little off-topic, I'm not suggesting all these options be bisexual LIs, just to be clear...

8-10's doable for picking for team mates.  One of my gripes with ME2 was there were so many people that after I got Legion I figured if there were any more surprises they were going to get stuck in the bathrooms for quarters.

Though from talking around most people tend to have thier couple faves and stick with those when it comes to away teams.

[Zulmoka531]

Siansonea II wrote...

It would be cool if you had the option to have 8-10 squad mates, but you could choose among more than that number to customize your squad. You would have some who are there regardless, VS, Liara, James, and the others are up for grabs. You could keep Garrus, Legion, Mordin, Grunt, and Thane, but only recruit Tali if you make one of those boys give up their spot on the ship. Maybe it's too complicated, but it seems like it would be kind of cool. A manageable number of squad mates with lots of choices.

Might be a little off-topic, I'm not suggesting all these options be bisexual LIs, just to be clear...

See? Now I LIKE this idea.

[Siansonea]

SleepySasquatch wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

Sigh...
I dislike when people say this "it'd be better to have the new characters be bi or homosexual to save from having to explain why the oldies have all suddenly and simultaneously had sexual epiphanies."
.......................... They never said they were straight to begin with, you all assume they are because they do not show signs of the stereotypical gay image you have in your head.
Jack is the only one who actually says anything of the sort, if you choose to have a paragon conversation with her after her loyalty mission as FemShep.

It's possible for Garrus to have sex with female Shepard (but not male Shepard) and Tali to have sex with male Shepard (but not female Shepard) despite the fact that it's possible to make your Shepard's basically identical in personality regardless of their sex. Hence, the implication is that they're romantically interested in the opposite sex but not the same sex.

Granted, you could argue that they could be bi, and that'd be a fair argument but it comes with the same issue. If they were bi previously why did they not think to flirt with you regardless of your sex? Your personality can be the same, and I can assure you they're not bothered by your physical looks (Seriously, my friends Shepard is just...just...Oh sweet Krogans of Croatia. He's just other-worldly ugly.) so logically it must be the fact that you're male/female.

Apologies if this comes across as aggressive as it's not my intention. Just offering an opinion

This is actually a pretty sound argument for excluding Garrus and Tali. The only problem is that the reason Garrus and Tali can't get anywhere with same-sex Shepard is because Shepard can't initiate the dialog. All that really says is that same-sex Shepard is reluctant to explore a relationship with Garrus or Tali at that point, much the way opposite-sex Shepard was reluctant to explore a relationship with them in the first game.

[CmmndrShepard]

PMC65 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

It is obvious a gay man cannot save the galaxy. As he would be too busy being stereotypical to do anything else.

Alexander the Great conquered the world!

Colin Ferrel doesn't count as Alexander the great...

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...

It would be cool if you had the option to have 8-10 squad mates, but you could choose among more than that number to customize your squad. You would have some who are there regardless, VS, Liara, James, and the others are up for grabs. You could keep Garrus, Legion, Mordin, Grunt, and Thane, but only recruit Tali if you make one of those boys give up their spot on the ship. Maybe it's too complicated, but it seems like it would be kind of cool. A manageable number of squad mates with lots of choices.

Might be a little off-topic, I'm not suggesting all these options be bisexual LIs, just to be clear...

With the 4 new squaddies idea I'd be all for this. 

I won't have to drag around people I don't like hopefully. 

PMC65 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

actually now that I think about it...don't we need someone to replace Chakwas since she might be dead?

A cute blond male doctor...that wouldn't be too bad for a non-squaddie romance.

And I can have my renegade male Shepard b**** at him for being rough while treating Shep's injuries.

Dr. Chakwas is not dead! Wash you mouth out. That cougar is Shepard's secret squeeze.

Well maybe she wants to have an apprentice. There you go.