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Modifié par Jacody, 17 mai 2011 - 05:10 .
CmmndrShepard wrote...
Raiders Fan 223 wrote...
This had turned into the new Fight for the Love thread
In any event, I find it funny how some people are saying "but Kaiden was supposed to be bi in ME1!!!!! He had romance linez but Bioware took them out!!!!111"
Yeah, they took it out. There is no in-game, factual evidence that Shepard (male) is anything but a heterosexual male. Has he had the opportunity to (and in many playthroughs for people, experience) a love affair/flirting with several different women: Ash, Liara, Shi'ira, Miranda, Jack, Kelly, Shiila, Parasini (could be missing some). Does he ever even flirt with a guy? I must have missed it in all of my playthroughs. You would think, wouldn't you, that if Bioware had ever intended to truly make Shepard possibly bi/gay that they would have at least hinted at it in the first two games?
"But my Shepard didn't romance any girl in the first two games, so there's a chance he's gay/bi!" How am I supposed to argue against this kind of testimony?
I know I will be barraged by about 25 posts in like 3 minutes, but I don't care. Male shep shouldn't be gay. or bi, whatever.
i like what this guy said, but the fact he's a raider's fan might dampen his ethos...just kidding
Ryzaki wrote...
With the 4 new squaddies idea I'd be all for this.
I won't have to drag around people I don't like hopefully.
Exactly. For Tali and FemShep, you go as far as she telling you that it would be a "honor to link suits with you.", or that the blushing is the fever. The dossier logs in LotSB place, actually have the same logs as male Shep. (Where she is seen downloading and uninstalling the "nerve-sti" program multiple times and downloading the human anatomy vid.)Siansonea II wrote...
SleepySasquatch wrote...
It's possible for Garrus to have sex with female Shepard (but not male Shepard) and Tali to have sex with male Shepard (but not female Shepard) despite the fact that it's possible to make your Shepard's basically identical in personality regardless of their sex. Hence, the implication is that they're romantically interested in the opposite sex but not the same sex.SilentNukee wrote...
Sigh...
I dislike when people say this "it'd be better to have the new characters be bi or homosexual to save from having to explain why the oldies have all suddenly and simultaneously had sexual epiphanies."
.......................... They never said they were straight to begin with, you all assume they are because they do not show signs of the stereotypical gay image you have in your head.
Jack is the only one who actually says anything of the sort, if you choose to have a paragon conversation with her after her loyalty mission as FemShep.
Granted, you could argue that they could be bi, and that'd be a fair argument but it comes with the same issue. If they were bi previously why did they not think to flirt with you regardless of your sex? Your personality can be the same, and I can assure you they're not bothered by your physical looks (Seriously, my friends Shepard is just...just...Oh sweet Krogans of Croatia. He's just other-worldly ugly.) so logically it must be the fact that you're male/female.
Apologies if this comes across as aggressive as it's not my intention. Just offering an opinion
This is actually a pretty sound argument for excluding Garrus and Tali. The only problem is that the reason Garrus and Tali can't get anywhere with same-sex Shepard is because Shepard can't initiate the dialog. All that really says is that same-sex Shepard is reluctant to explore a relationship with Garrus or Tali at that point, much the way opposite-sex Shepard was reluctant to explore a relationship with them in the first game.
SennenScale wrote...
PMC65 wrote...
The US ... California
Hey, me too! But my area is super-hostile to gays for whatever reason. And androgynous faces, oddly enough.
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
There was no indication that Shepard would suffer a Geth to live, but in ME2 he had the option and took it.
SennenScale wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
With the 4 new squaddies idea I'd be all for this.
I won't have to drag around people I don't like hopefully.
I'm going to start charging my squadmates rent if I get a ton I don't use.
Time to pay rent or go on missions! Either way, everybody better help fight the Reapers to get a ticket on this vessel!
Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 17 mai 2011 - 05:04 .
Ryzaki wrote...
I actually want a non-filledtothebrim with issues s/s LI. Someone well mentally adjusted and just wants to stop the reapers.
I've had enough of daddy issues.
I don't want this person to be cheerful mc cheerful though.
That'll make me wanna strangle them.
I think the background reading issue is grasping a bit. Often when realising that aliens have a knowledge of human history or cultural traits Shepard seems taken aback (as with when Samara makes mention of the samurai) indicating that it's not common for other species to read around such matters. In addition to this, if a character was actually interested in you surely they'd respond seductively on atleast a couple of occasions. I mean even Tali got there eventually?CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
SleepySasquatch wrote...
It's possible for Garrus to have sex with female Shepard (but not male Shepard) and Tali to have sex with male Shepard (but not female Shepard) despite the fact that it's possible to make your Shepard's basically identical in personality regardless of their sex. Hence, the implication is that they're romantically interested in the opposite sex but not the same sex.SilentNukee wrote...
Sigh...
I dislike when people say this "it'd be better to have the new characters be bi or homosexual to save from having to explain why the oldies have all suddenly and simultaneously had sexual epiphanies."
.......................... They never said they were straight to begin with, you all assume they are because they do not show signs of the stereotypical gay image you have in your head.
Jack is the only one who actually says anything of the sort, if you choose to have a paragon conversation with her after her loyalty mission as FemShep.
Granted, you could argue that they could be bi, and that'd be a fair argument but it comes with the same issue. If they were bi previously why did they not think to flirt with you regardless of your sex? Your personality can be the same, and I can assure you they're not bothered by your physical looks (Seriously, my friends Shepard is just...just...Oh sweet Krogans of Croatia. He's just other-worldly ugly.) so logically it must be the fact that you're male/female.
Apologies if this comes across as aggressive as it's not my intention. Just offering an opinion
Maybe they didn't flirt with you before because they did some extranet research on human sexuality and saw that homosexuals and bisexuals were a minority, and also found references to nasty human history in relation to homosexuality? That would make me think twice about hitting on someone, and it would make sense in that case that Shepard has to hit on them first.
As for Garrus, you have to initiate the flirt with him anyway, and he already makes it pretty clear that femshep isn't really his type, but he'll give it a whirl.
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
The only problem with this idea is that a lot of interviews and articles have implied that there will be fewer squadmates who are able to be permanent, with more of a focus on deep, well-developed character interaction for a few characters, with the rest probably being temporary squadmates tied to personal stories like LotSB Liara. Adding in four brand new squadmates and making existing characters have less development would cause more rage than the bisexualization option, I think. I could be wrong, though. Adding a bunch of squadmates who may or may not be permanent would further spread out the writing burden and development resources, which doesn't seem to be something Bioware is keen to do right now. Of course, I could be misreading things.
Smilietime wrote...
Casey Hudson (from twitter):
"Some game sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both
m&f chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in ME3"
This sounds great. Someone should attatch this to the Origional Post.
It's annoying, reading some news articles going all jubilant about how they think they will finally have a gay relationship with their favorite character. I'm sure that they will all stay in character, regardless, rather than replacing a character we know with a similar character (who has a different orientation) all the sudden.
SilentNukee wrote...
If they add in a gay LI, do you honestly think a straight male playing the game as Shepard, would ever think of ever bringing him into their squad? They would probably try to avoid them as much as possible, or kill them off if they have the chance. But they wouldn't get the "know" the character indepth...and that's not cool. While having a "bi" Garrus, let's say, you'll still want to "bromance" him because of the way his personality is. We love him. And you could totally continue that without affecting anything, if you wish.
SennenScale wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
With the 4 new squaddies idea I'd be all for this.
I won't have to drag around people I don't like hopefully.
I'm going to start charging my squadmates rent if I get a ton I don't use.
Time to pay rent or go on missions! Either way, everybody better help fight the Reapers to get a ticket on this vessel!
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
The only problem with this idea is that a lot of interviews and articles have implied that there will be fewer squadmates who are able to be permanent, with more of a focus on deep, well-developed character interaction for a few characters, with the rest probably being temporary squadmates tied to personal stories like LotSB Liara. Adding in four brand new squadmates and making existing characters have less development would cause more rage than the bisexualization option, I think. I could be wrong, though. Adding a bunch of squadmates who may or may not be permanent would further spread out the writing burden and development resources, which doesn't seem to be something Bioware is keen to do right now. Of course, I could be misreading things.
PMC65 wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
I actually want a non-filledtothebrim with issues s/s LI. Someone well mentally adjusted and just wants to stop the reapers.
I've had enough of daddy issues.
I don't want this person to be cheerful mc cheerful though.
That'll make me wanna strangle them.
If you find that person ... can you share with my Shepard?
Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mai 2011 - 05:15 .
Ryzaki wrote...
Agreed so hard.CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
The only problem with this idea is that a lot of interviews and articles have implied that there will be fewer squadmates who are able to be permanent, with more of a focus on deep, well-developed character interaction for a few characters, with the rest probably being temporary squadmates tied to personal stories like LotSB Liara. Adding in four brand new squadmates and making existing characters have less development would cause more rage than the bisexualization option, I think. I could be wrong, though. Adding a bunch of squadmates who may or may not be permanent would further spread out the writing burden and development resources, which doesn't seem to be something Bioware is keen to do right now. Of course, I could be misreading things.
Hm...in that case I would be more pro my 4 s/s LIs as squaddies. The ME1 and ME2 teams have already gotten plenty of development. It's time for others to get in the spotlight.
I don't mind them being side characters with temporary stories (because LotSB was awesome.)
And I doubt it would cause more rage. They still have their LIs consistent after all. Isn't that more important than forcing them into the spotlight?
Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 17 mai 2011 - 05:17 .
-Siansonea II wrote...
SleepySasquatch wrote...
It's possible for Garrus to have sex with female Shepard (but not male Shepard) and Tali to have sex with male Shepard (but not female Shepard) despite the fact that it's possible to make your Shepard's basically identical in personality regardless of their sex. Hence, the implication is that they're romantically interested in the opposite sex but not the same sex.SilentNukee wrote...
Sigh...
I dislike when people say this "it'd be better to have the new characters be bi or homosexual to save from having to explain why the oldies have all suddenly and simultaneously had sexual epiphanies."
.......................... They never said they were straight to begin with, you all assume they are because they do not show signs of the stereotypical gay image you have in your head.
Jack is the only one who actually says anything of the sort, if you choose to have a paragon conversation with her after her loyalty mission as FemShep.
Granted, you could argue that they could be bi, and that'd be a fair argument but it comes with the same issue. If they were bi previously why did they not think to flirt with you regardless of your sex? Your personality can be the same, and I can assure you they're not bothered by your physical looks (Seriously, my friends Shepard is just...just...Oh sweet Krogans of Croatia. He's just other-worldly ugly.) so logically it must be the fact that you're male/female.
Apologies if this comes across as aggressive as it's not my intention. Just offering an opinion
This is actually a pretty sound argument for excluding Garrus and Tali. The only problem is that the reason Garrus and Tali can't get anywhere with same-sex Shepard is because Shepard can't initiate the dialog. All that really says is that same-sex Shepard is reluctant to explore a relationship with Garrus or Tali at that point, much the way opposite-sex Shepard was reluctant to explore a relationship with them in the first game.
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I would prefer to have Garrus as a permanent squadmate and not a continuing LI than to have him as an LI who was only a temporary squadmate. My friendship with Garrus is more important than his love interest status for me, and for a lot of guys who didn't romance him. So no. Not more important!
I don't know about other people and their LIs, and I do not represent the majority of Garrus Fangirls. Heh.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mai 2011 - 05:22 .
SleepySasquatch wrote...
-Siansonea II wrote...
This is actually a pretty sound argument for excluding Garrus and Tali. The only problem is that the reason Garrus and Tali can't get anywhere with same-sex Shepard is because Shepard can't initiate the dialog. All that really says is that same-sex Shepard is reluctant to explore a relationship with Garrus or Tali at that point, much the way opposite-sex Shepard was reluctant to explore a relationship with them in the first game.
That's a good point actually. Shepard is never given the option to initiate anything. But if we now know that gay romance options are offered in the third game (meaning Shepard may have been bi/gay all along) I wonder why Shepard didn't have the option. One could say that he simply wasn't interested but you'd think that'd be the players choice to make. Though perhaps I'm being too pedantic now.
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
SleepySasquatch wrote...
It's possible for Garrus to have sex with female Shepard (but not male Shepard) and Tali to have sex with male Shepard (but not female Shepard) despite the fact that it's possible to make your Shepard's basically identical in personality regardless of their sex. Hence, the implication is that they're romantically interested in the opposite sex but not the same sex.SilentNukee wrote...
Sigh...
I dislike when people say this "it'd be better to have the new characters be bi or homosexual to save from having to explain why the oldies have all suddenly and simultaneously had sexual epiphanies."
.......................... They never said they were straight to begin with, you all assume they are because they do not show signs of the stereotypical gay image you have in your head.
Jack is the only one who actually says anything of the sort, if you choose to have a paragon conversation with her after her loyalty mission as FemShep.
Granted, you could argue that they could be bi, and that'd be a fair argument but it comes with the same issue. If they were bi previously why did they not think to flirt with you regardless of your sex? Your personality can be the same, and I can assure you they're not bothered by your physical looks (Seriously, my friends Shepard is just...just...Oh sweet Krogans of Croatia. He's just other-worldly ugly.) so logically it must be the fact that you're male/female.
Apologies if this comes across as aggressive as it's not my intention. Just offering an opinion
Maybe they didn't flirt with you before because they did some extranet research on human sexuality and saw that homosexuals and bisexuals were a minority, and also found references to nasty human history in relation to homosexuality? That would make me think twice about hitting on someone, and it would make sense in that case that Shepard has to hit on them first.
As for Garrus, you have to initiate the flirt with him anyway, and he already makes it pretty clear that femshep isn't really his type, but he'll give it a whirl.
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