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[KillTheLastRomantic]

SilentNukee wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

VoidCabbage wrote...

colossus50000 wrote...
no. dont want this. dont need this. same sex romances do not need to be in this game. it wasnt in the first 2 game, it makes no sense to put it in the third to make a bunch of cry babies happy. they dont care about core gameplay they care about their fake love interest. this is just plain stupid.

This statement is just so incorrect.

First off, the whole game isn't NEEDED it's not a necessity that it exists merely something people want and so we are here to discuss what we want in the game.

It wasn't in the first two games therefore it makes no sense that its in the third.

that is a false statement.

calling people crybabies. Not helping anyone.

I care in a big way about the core gameplay. I also care about the love interests, or rather THE STORY. It's a bioware game afterall.

EDIT: spelling.

I have no problem with it being in ME3 as long as they are never before romanced characters.  I don't want a DA2 and I certainly don't want Kaidan/Ashley to be bi.  Frankly, those who were faithful to their ME1 love interest got the promise that they would be rewarded in game 3.  To make Kaidan/Ashley all of a sudden bi is not a reward in fact if this forum is anything like the DA2 forum, people won't shut up about it and the devs will retcon that Kaidan had several guys in the two years when clearly on Horizon, if you read into it, he has a thing for Lilith.  That's all I'm going to say about it.  I'm done with this topic and the Mass Effect forums.  I'm moving on.  It's obvious that Bioware cares about the bi/gay minority, good for them, but they are forgetting about their core gamers.  That's all I'm going to say.

Their "core gamers" can't be bi/gay?

No. No they can't. It's just far too confusing.

[DPSSOC]

I have to ask why now? I could have understood it in ME2 after the generally positive response to the Liara romance from fans but why implement SS romance in the final installment? What's changed?

I've got nothing against SS romance in games (actually enjoyed it in DA:O and even DA2), but it seems like they're tacking it on just because.

Also am I the only one worried about what this will mean for established romances? It was all well and good to say the romances would be expanded when they weren't writing new ones but now I'm worried we'll get the ME2 treatment (LI is made unromanceable by circumstance) or they just won't get the attention they deserve.

[Saeran]

DPSSOC wrote...

I have to ask why now? I could have understood it in ME2 after the generally positive response to the Liara romance from fans but why implement SS romance in the final installment? What's changed?

I've got nothing against SS romance in games (actually enjoyed it in DA:O and even DA2), but it seems like they're tacking it on just because.

Also am I the only one worried about what this will mean for established romances? It was all well and good to say the romances would be expanded when they weren't writing new ones but now I'm worried we'll get the ME2 treatment (LI is made unromanceable by circumstance) or they just won't get the attention they deserve.

Why not now? My Shepard hasn't romanced anyone, that doesn't mean he wouldn't/shouldn't find a special someone in ME3. If they don't do it now, when should they do it? I don't care what option they take. I'd personally take ANY option they give me. Maybe they will go for established romances (which I doubt) or maybe they'll leave it to a new character. Point is having the ability to choose that option is good.

[ElitePinecone]

DPSSOC wrote...

I have to ask why now? I could have understood it in ME2 after the generally positive response to the Liara romance from fans but why implement SS romance in the final installment? What's changed?

I've got nothing against SS romance in games (actually enjoyed it in DA:O and even DA2), but it seems like they're tacking it on just because.

Also am I the only one worried about what this will mean for established romances? It was all well and good to say the romances would be expanded when they weren't writing new ones but now I'm worried we'll get the ME2 treatment (LI is made unromanceable by circumstance) or they just won't get the attention they deserve.

So developers can't ever change their minds mid-way through a series because they've received a tonne of feedback that players would like more variety in romance options? Innovation is a bad thing?

From everything I've read, the opportunity came when Mass Effect 3 was delayed by several months. More development time presumably meant more could be included - even content that they wanted to include before, but didn't have time to.

S/S content was cut from Mass Effect due to time constraints. It isn't a good thing that they can and will include it in ME3, now that they have the time to write and execute it well?

On your final point: I have faith in Bioware's writing team. They've promised to expand on all relationships, both romantic and platonic, 'love' and friendships. Trust in them to do an amazing job. 

[AlexRmF]

I'm hoping this same sex romancing to have a better and a more grounded implementation than the one in DA2.
I'm saying this because the writers must respect some character's personalities developed in the first 2 games, without me thinking this change is just an artificial addition that only manages to frustrate me.
For example, I cannot see any gay relations with the following characters: Ashley, Jacob, Miranda, Garrus, Thane, Zaeed... not even that new guy James Vega
On the other hand, some other characters sounded "suspicious" in the first games and I have no problem with people romancing them: Kelly Chambers, Dr. Chackwas, Mordin, Jack, Kaidan, Kasumi
I hope Krogan and Robots don't count on either side... you'll need some other games for those types of sick fantasies

[d-boy15]

for me, only way to solve this equally for everyone is remove romance feature from their game.
So yes, people don't like it but at least it's equal in the way I see. However I doubt bioware will
do that.

[Sister Helen]

In a few hundred years, the conversation of 'oh no, he's the (wrong) gender, I am outraged!' will not take place.  The rage and reflexive annoyance will be a historical relic of a more violent/less tolerant time - like burning witches. 

To put this in context, when my mother was a kid, you couldn't have married actors share the same bed  -  I Love Lucy.  A couple decades later, Star Trek made history by having the first inter-racial kiss on a television series.   Nowadays, Sandra Bullock, "America's Sweetheart," is kissing women on live television.

So, yeah, it's conceivable that characters in Mass Effect 3 (which takes place in the future) would be less hung up on gender-attraction issues than we are right now. 

But to *cough* get back on topic: I certainly would like to have as many options as possible, for replay value.  ... I don't replay games because of their game mechanics; I replay them because I want to see how different stories play out.

[WizenSlinky0]

d-boy15 wrote...

for me, only way to solve this equally for everyone is remove romance feature from their game.
So yes, people don't like it but at least it's equal in the way I see. However I doubt bioware will
do that.

It would create a glaring inconsistancy and continuity problem. Everyone would just scream about how their choices don't matter because their LI choice didn't carry over/matter.

You'd be trading one group of vocal complainers for another.

It wouldn't solve anything, only change the debate.

[d-boy15]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

for me, only way to solve this equally for everyone is remove romance feature from their game.
So yes, people don't like it but at least it's equal in the way I see. However I doubt bioware will
do that.

It would create a glaring inconsistancy and continuity problem. Everyone would just scream about how their choices don't matter because their LI choice didn't carry over/matter.

You'd be trading one group of vocal complainers for another.

It wouldn't solve anything, only change the debate.

I agree, it only change the issue.

Then again there is no win-win in this when different people want different thing.

[Russalka]

I do not oppose or favour previous characters turning out to be bisexual. I desire it to be well-written and would definitely be interested in an old character showing interest in my Shepard, but I realise that a sudden realisation or daring to express seems a bit sudden and inconsistent.

It might be fan service, but what can't be viewed as fan service in some way? 

Modifié par Russalka, 17 mai 2011 - 11:39 .

[Hardin4188]

What I'm confused about is that Casey is saying there will be new love interests, but in this interview here he is saying the opposite. www.pcgamer.com/2011/05/14/bioware-mass-effect-3-has-no-new-love-interests/
I don't think it makes any sense to have current characters suddenly come out. This game is set in the late 22nd century right? Would we still have closets?

Modifié par Hardin4188, 17 mai 2011 - 12:27 .

[FenrisDeSolar]

 I had every intention of catching up with this thread, but I gave up. I just want to drop my opinions on the subject and stalk the topic from now on.

There are a few characters I'd like to see bi/pan/omnisexual. All the alien LI's to begin with, should be pan/omnisexual. I don't see why they should discern between gender if they do not discern between species. It's likely they don't fully understand or completely perceive the differences between a human male and a human female. And what's to say that their cultures are as conservative as ours? For all we know, bi/homosexuality might be much more accepted amongst turians. Possibly for salarians as well, since they outnumber the women -- and yes, I know that salarians are supposedly asexual, however, I doubt that this applies to all salarians. Even if it does asexuals are still capable of romantic desires, if not sexual ones...

In terms of human LI's, Ashley, Kaidan, Jacob and Jack make the most sense as bisexuals to me. Although I could believe Miranda to be bisexual, or at least biamorous, as well. The ones *I want* as bisexual are Kaidan, Ashley and Jack. Jacob could be completely gay in my opinion, but he's already established as straight, and even I would have a problem with that kind of stretch.

Anywho, I basically want them to change all alien LI's to bi/pan/omnisexual (pick and choose a word, they all apply ¬_¬), give us two or three human bisexuals (either from the ones we've seen already, i.e. Kaidan, Ashley, Jack; or make the new characters, Vega and whomever else, bisexual) and keep the rest straight. It'd be great if we could also have someone who is completely homosexual. Give us a bit of everything, no?

Modifié par FenrisDeSolar, 17 mai 2011 - 12:29 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

EVERYBODY IS BI! WOOHOO
/sarcasm

[ElitePinecone]

Hardin4188 wrote...

What I'm confused about is that Casey is saying there will be new love interests, but in this interview here he is saying the opposite. www.pcgamer.com/2011/05/14/bioware-mass-effect-3-has-no-new-love-interests/
I don't think it makes any sense to have current characters suddenly come out. This game is set in the late 22nd century right? Would we still have closets?

This interview is a month old (it was published recently), Casey said the team has changed their minds since then. 

Keeping in mind that the decision to delay ME3 and give it more development time was made (presumably) between that interview and them announcing S/S romances. 

So it's fairly likely that there will be new LIs, some of them open to S/S. Perhaps even old/returning LIs. We simply don't know, and I don't think Bioware are going to tell us any time soon. 

[HolyMoogle]

I'd just like to inform everybody that, under the new rules of on-tacking, the following things, if they are present in Mass Effect 3, are now merely "tacked on":

- Same-sex romances
- Improved combat mechanics
- New characters
- New plot elements
- New planets
- New weapons
- Graphical improvements
- The end of Shepard's story arc

Please update your files accordingly. If any of these things are present, since they won't have been present in previous Mass Effects, they are now tacked-on and are to be derided as such.

Thank you for your attention.

Modifié par HolyMoogle, 17 mai 2011 - 01:05 .

[rabbit1984]

just dont have it like in DA2 that was way to much bi going on there

[Gibb_Shepard]

I can't believe that out of all the news, the most talked about by far, is the fact that we can now bonk other guys.

Dead set.

[FenrisDeSolar]

@HolyMoogle, nice one. So very correct...

I forgot to mention that Joker would be a good LI. An EXCELLENT LI, and that he could very well be a bisexual LI, too. As long as he is a full-fledged LI who continues to be the cool, awesome, totally snarky pilot that I wuv so very much.

...Yes, I want Jokermance.

[rabidhanar]

I thought Chakwas had a claim on him...

Yes a Jokermance could happen, but the scene would be awkward. Don't want any broken bones afterwards. I think that would be hard to explain to the poor doctor.

[rabidhanar]

Different dev team, different occasion.
We know that what happened with anders is unfortunate. He would have had a great romanc if it wasn't for the timing of his questioning (who asks a question like that to amperson he/she barely met a few hours ago?!?)

[Cootie]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Russalka wrote...

I do not oppose or favour previous characters turning out to be bisexual. I desire it to be well-written and would definitely be interested in an old character showing interest in my Shepard, but I realise that a sudden realisation or daring to express seems a bit sudden and inconsistent.

It might be fan service, but what can't be viewed as fan service in some way? 

ooooohhhh nononononono wait a minute crazy people... I don't want another Anders catastrophy in ME3.

Oh, NO! It is suddenly revealed that someone who only mentioned sexual relations with females ALSO had such relations with men!
Someone get the president!

I honestly don't get the idea behind why one type of Shepard should have more fun than a homosexual one. I wouldn't mind having a few bisexual LI's to choose from, nor would I mind a whole crew of romancable characters.
I didn't romance anyone in ME-2, so I see no reason why people should feel forced to hit on, well, let's say Garrus only because there's a heart icon for them to click.
If you don't want to romance them, don't flirt with them.

I do think that Bioware won't force any of your bros to flirt with you, a la Anders, because they now know how sensitive people are to this kind of thing now. So calm down, honest.

Modifié par Cootie, 17 mai 2011 - 01:03 .

[FenrisDeSolar]

rabidhanar wrote...

I thought Chakwas had a claim on him...

Yes a Jokermance could happen, but the scene would be awkward. Don't want any broken bones afterwards. I think that would be hard to explain to the poor doctor.

Chakwas has a claim on Zaeed, dude. She appreciates his hardness. He likes her softness. They match. Totally.

Joker won't break any bones either, he's supposedly been upgraded in ME2. Hence why he walks without crutches and stuff.

[alienatedflea]

Russalka wrote...

I do not oppose or favour previous characters turning out to be bisexual. I desire it to be well-written and would definitely be interested in an old character showing interest in my Shepard, but I realise that a sudden realisation or daring to express seems a bit sudden and inconsistent.

It might be fan service, but what can't be viewed as fan service in some way? 

look at DA2, When a company starts servicing their fans, the storyline pays for it...fan service: better combat system: Check, More romance options: Check, Storyline: suffered
DA2 all you do is run around a dam city and its not until half way through you realise...the storyline and its surrounding is stuck in that prison...i mean city which turned off alot of gamers...good job on getting what you want at the sacrifice of the whole series...

[ElitePinecone]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I can't believe that out of all the news, the most talked about by far, is the fact that we can now bonk other guys.

Dead set.

It's odd. It's such a tiny section of an enormous game to get worked up about. 

I mean, why not celebrate the deeper friendship relationships promised with other characters, the new weapons, the customisability, the new worlds, the new Normandy, the new combat mechanics...

... heck, even the new hairstyles! 

Surely something you'll be staring at for 40 hours or so, Shepard's hairstyle, is far more important than something you'll see for thirty seconds, tops. 

The promised awesomeness and depth of the game can't be ruined by the addition of more, optional romances for players who want to pursue them. Getting unreasonably worked up in the face of so much other good news is an overreaction.