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[SilentNukee]

- You roleplay as Commander Shepard. Your Shepard can be straight/bisexual or gay, it's up to YOU, the player, to decide what route you'll be taking when getting involved romantically.
No, Shepard isn't straight because s/he's a badass with a gun who's got military training, unless you want him/her to be. S/he can be the same person, with the same personality, and have different sexual preferences. Remember, ME is still an RPG.

- Squadmembers do NOT have already established orientations. (Except for Jack, who says so herself if you read between the lines.) They might not go as far with s/s, but maybe that's what will open up in ME3. They will integrate the concept very carefully, just like how they made Tali/Garrus a LI option in ME2 when they showed no interest in ME1.

- This obviously does not mean ALL squadmembers will option up to bisexuality. Only a select few will, probably the new LI options will be one among them. (I'm really hoping for a mix of both old and new, as with f/m romances.)

- They will not screw up your bromance. They are not the DA team. I'm sure they've learned their mistake with how DA2 turned out to be, anyway. Plus, they've delayed it, which can only mean good things.

2 words: Mass Effect, it's awesome, and #3 will be the best. I'm glad they are listening to their fanbase.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 17 mai 2011 - 02:19 .

[alienatedflea]

HolyMoogle wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

As far as I am concerned, the gay gamer community just doomed the ME shep storyline.  We are going to have people like in DA:A, Anders, who didnt have any hint of homosexuality and then all of the sudden he is now very emotional and homosexual in DA2...that character is effective destroyed...now we will have the same with jacob, garrus, wrex, thane, and many others...yet somehow it makes sense that those characters are gay...ill give you that shep can be gay if the gamer chooses it but those characters are well established and well-liked...but nooo the gay gamers community claim it can make sense...lol i dont think anyone of you have ever been told no so you think anything is possible if you complain enough...KUDOS it worked...

What a disgusting thing to say.

I have a tenuous enough view of people who criticize M/M romances in Bioware games as it is, and you've just confirmed all the worst stereotypes. Bigotry doesn't belong on a civilized forum.

I dont get whats disgusting about my post...its not disgusting but the truth...so much for consistency...hey BIOWARE, lets put in the death star in ME...i mean come on, because we all know we are going to need some help from a "galaxy far far away"... oh boy that might be bigotry according to holymoogle...

[Cootie]

Hey, don't you all remember how ME-2 was such a GOOD FRIGGIN' GAME SO AWESOME YEAH because of how they only had heterosexual relationships?
You know, because that's what every game critic in the world used to measure the game's success, right?

It wouldn't have gotten all of those 9/10's if you could've flirted with Jacob, now would it? So, obviously, ME-3 is going to be mediocre now.
*nod nod nod*

[nic0dem]

I'm all for it but I don't want any established characters to suddenly change.

[Jorkan]

I don't mind Bioware including homosexual relationships into their games, however I do mind when they let the story suffer because of it. I really felt like the homosexuality and promiscuity of Hawke in DA2 took a bit away from that game. Really… that didn’t take long for us to hop into bed. Really… four out five romance able characters are bi-sexual??

Also, do you think other fictional heroes would be as popular if they had started off ****** or bi-sexual? How many comics featuring gay Captain America or bi-sexual spider man would have been sold? I suspect not many. Bioware is always telling us that the ME story is about Shepard, but why are they now changing Shepard into something that he’s not?

Not being a homophobe here, but I just wish Bioware would put more thought into portraying gay relationships in their games and portray them in a way that jives with the story. Bioware’s inclusion of this latest gay character into ME3 feels a bit forced…

Modifié par Jorkan, 17 mai 2011 - 02:20 .

[Cootie]

nic0dem wrote...

I'm all for it but I don't want any established characters to suddenly change.

Would it really be a change if you have the opportunity to just ignore it alltogether? I mean, you don't have to click the button, do you?

Just askin'. Not being hostile or anything, I just want you to maybe elaborate.

[Someone With Mass]

Cootie wrote...

Hey, don't you all remember how ME-2 was such a GOOD FRIGGIN' GAME SO AWESOME YEAH because of how they only had heterosexual relationships?
You know, because that's what every game critic in the world used to measure the game's success, right?

It wouldn't have gotten all of those 9/10's if you could've flirted with Jacob, now would it? So, obviously, ME-3 is going to be mediocre now.
*nod nod nod*

The sad thing is that I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

[HolyMoogle]

alienatedflea wrote...

HolyMoogle wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

As far as I am concerned, the gay gamer community just doomed the ME shep storyline.  We are going to have people like in DA:A, Anders, who didnt have any hint of homosexuality and then all of the sudden he is now very emotional and homosexual in DA2...that character is effective destroyed...now we will have the same with jacob, garrus, wrex, thane, and many others...yet somehow it makes sense that those characters are gay...ill give you that shep can be gay if the gamer chooses it but those characters are well established and well-liked...but nooo the gay gamers community claim it can make sense...lol i dont think anyone of you have ever been told no so you think anything is possible if you complain enough...KUDOS it worked...

What a disgusting thing to say.

I have a tenuous enough view of people who criticize M/M romances in Bioware games as it is, and you've just confirmed all the worst stereotypes. Bigotry doesn't belong on a civilized forum.

I dont get whats disgusting about my post...its not disgusting but the truth...so much for consistency...hey BIOWARE, lets put in the death star in ME...i mean come on, because we all know we are going to need some help from a "galaxy far far away"... oh boy that might be bigotry according to holymoogle...

I would follow along with the discussion here but you've gone so far down your own little rabbit hole I don't even know where you are anymore. The Star Wars galaxy ...? Yes, don't worry. Obi-Wan will be here to pick you up shortly.

[rabidhanar]

Don't you know? If you do not have a same sex relationship in ME3 you cannot stop the reapers.
The game is only able to be beaten by forcing Shepard to have a romance in ME2, maybe you didn't get the memo.

I dislike stupid accusations that are factless. Yes DA2 was a bad game, in your opinion. I doubt that if they removed the bisexual relationships your opinion of that game would change. If it would then I take pity on you.

[HolyMoogle]

Jorkan wrote...

I don't mind Bioware including homosexual relationships into their games, however I do mind when they let the story suffer because of it. I really felt like the homosexuality and promiscuity of Hawke in DA2 took a bit away from that game. Really… that didn’t take long for us to hop into bed. Really… four out five romance able characters are bi-sexual??

Also, do you think other fictional heroes would be as popular if they had started off ****** or bi-sexual? How many comics featuring gay Captain America or bi-sexual spider man would have been sold? I suspect not many. Bioware is always telling us that the ME story is about Shepard, but why are they now changing Shepard into something that he’s not?

Not being a homophobe here, but I just wish Bioware would put more thought into portraying gay relationships in their games and portray them in a way that jives with the story. Bioware’s inclusion of this latest gay character into ME3 feels a bit forced…

Who exactly is this latest gay character? We don't know who the LIs are yet.

So, basically you're telling me that you've gone into the future, analysed the game and its LIs, and come back to the past to tell us that they feel forced?

Fascinating.

Or are you talking about Shepard - Shepard, whose sexuality is player defined, along with gender, ethnicity, personality, skills and so forth?

[Cootie]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Cootie wrote...

Hey, don't you all remember how ME-2 was such a GOOD FRIGGIN' GAME SO AWESOME YEAH because of how they only had heterosexual relationships?
You know, because that's what every game critic in the world used to measure the game's success, right?

It wouldn't have gotten all of those 9/10's if you could've flirted with Jacob, now would it? So, obviously, ME-3 is going to be mediocre now.
*nod nod nod*

The sad thing is that I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

I guess I'm just too good at being dry.

No, definitely sarcastic. I'm an officer in the FFTL-group, actually. Just putting that out there to clear things up.
I'm a strong supporter, but I like trying to use the opposition's arguments against them from time to time, to portray how silly they sound.

Perhaps I've been doing that an awful lot lately. >.<

[Someone With Mass]

And I hate people that are comparing two entirely different games, just because they happen to be made by the same company, while in reality, that's the only thing they have in common.

[ElitePinecone]

Jorkan wrote...

why are they now changing Shepard into something that he’s not?

1. Shepard isn't a he. Shepard has no gender. 
2. Shepard is never defined as heterosexual.
3. Female Shepard can already have a lesbian relationship with Liara and Kelly. 
4. In certain playthroughs of Mass Effect 3, some players will romance same-sex love interests with their Shepard. Many won't. All are valid within their separate 'universe'.  

4. Ergo, there is no change. If you don't romance a same-sex character in ME3, your Shepard isn't gay. 

[WizenSlinky0]

Jorkan wrote...

I don't mind Bioware including homosexual relationships into their games, however I do mind when they let the story suffer because of it. I really felt like the homosexuality and promiscuity of Hawke in DA2 took a bit away from that game. Really… that didn’t take long for us to hop into bed. Really… four out five romance able characters are bi-sexual??

Also, do you think other fictional heroes would be as popular if they had started off ****** or bi-sexual? How many comics featuring gay Captain America or bi-sexual spider man would have been sold? I suspect not many. Bioware is always telling us that the ME story is about Shepard, but why are they now changing Shepard into something that he’s not?

Not being a homophobe here, but I just wish Bioware would put more thought into portraying gay relationships in their games and portray them in a way that jives with the story. Bioware’s inclusion of this latest gay character into ME3 feels a bit forced…

If it took anything out of the game it was minimal. The characters, mostly, were weakly written to begin with. Their sexuality had nothing to do with it.

I still enjoyed DA2. But was certainly not impressed in any way shape or form.

But people really need to start realizing that ME is being run by entirely different people. Bioware has multiple development teams.

You started off strong with a legimiate concern...which then just masked you complaining about how Shepard isn't gay. Who says? This isn't a comic, this is a game where you can put Shepard into anything you want. It makes the Shepard uniquely the players.

Also, I don't see why spiderman wanting another spiderman should effect his character. Saying people won't buy it because he's gay, is well, again telling.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 17 mai 2011 - 02:29 .

[smashbrawlguy]

Honestly, I think the biggest problem with bi LI's is the break in continuity. If, for example, Tali was bi, wouldn't that have come up with FemShep during the "linking suits" conversation like it did with MShep? Kaiden and Ash, on the other hand, seem much more believable because they were originally designed to be bi. It wasn't part of the game per se, but the idea was already there.

[Cootie]

smashbrawlguy wrote...

Honestly, I think the biggest problem with bi LI's is the break in continuity. If, for example, Tali was bi, wouldn't that have come up with FemShep during the "linking suits" conversation like it did with MShep? Kaiden and Ash, on the other hand, seem much more believable because they were originally designed to be bi. It wasn't part of the game per se, but the idea was already there.

Just asking, uhm, out of curiousity, did you think Mass Effect 2 sucked big time because of how Tali and Garrus returned as romancable squadmates?

[SilentNukee]

smashbrawlguy wrote...

Honestly, I think the biggest problem with bi LI's is the break in continuity. If, for example, Tali was bi, wouldn't that have come up with FemShep during the "linking suits" conversation like it did with MShep? Kaiden and Ash, on the other hand, seem much more believable because they were originally designed to be bi. It wasn't part of the game per se, but the idea was already there.

Actually, Tali was designed to be "bi", as you put it. There are hidden audio files. You can hear Hale say things about her relationship with Tali when Liara asks her about it in the LotSB. (As seen here: ) Unfortunately in both ME1/ME2, they had to cut s/s out because of time constraints or so they say.
But yeah, just because they don't go as far with s/s, doesn't mean they won't in ME3. Remember, no one considered having a romance with Tali/Garrus in ME1 because they couldn't, but they could in ME2...It's basically the same thing. =/

Modifié par SilentNukee, 17 mai 2011 - 02:35 .

[Didact494]

As long as the Paragon path is separated from the romance path and there is more non-romance dialogue, I approve. I want my shep to be friendly towards male characters without having to be gay or having them say "I'm too busy to talk" if you don't choose the romance.

[alienatedflea]

ElitePinecone wrote...

@flea:

Your doom-preaching is both premature and unwarranted. With respect, you've been against s/s romances since you've come to the forums - for reasons I can't even fathom and that you seem unable to articulate.

Do you seriously think Bioware would risk the storytelling integrity and appeal of the last game in the Mass Effect series - the most critically acclaimed series, celebrated and lauded series of games that they've ever created - by including content that was sub-par, contradictory or unsatisfactory? Would they pander to those wanting same-sex romances enough to, as you put it, "doom the Shepard storyline"?

No. Of course not. They're smarter, wiser and more creative than that. Trust in them.

More to the point, your obsession with Shepard's ruination via the evil spectre of teh ghey is... mystifying. Why not just enjoy the game for what it will be? Do a few lines of optional dialogue somehow contaminate a forty-hour game that's widely expected and promised to be one of the best cinematic gaming experiences of all time?

Is it *really* that big a deal?

sorry sir...the fact is that when a company starts servicing the fans...something always pays...its usually the storyline...if you dont believe me...play DA:O then play DA2...there is a huge disconnect between the two: the storyline is the main factor but there is other factors as well...ME3 is going to be medicore when it could have been the best game ever made...let me ask you this: Do you want a great game that signs shepard off in a big way or a poorly written game with tons of fan services? I would think that that answer would be pretty obivious that its the first one but I guess thats not the case.. oh well

[alienatedflea]

Didact494 wrote...

As long as the Paragon path is separated from the romance path and there is more non-romance dialogue, I approve. I want my shep to be friendly towards male characters without having to be gay or having them say "I'm too busy to talk" if you don't choose the romance.

thats exactly what will happen...sorry (Source: DA2)

[SilentNukee]

thats exactly what will happen...sorry (Source: DA2)

No, dude...DA2 has a freakin' HEART symbol for romancing. It was clearly evident. Don't pick the damn heart. Plus, we're talking ME here...Go to the DA forums if you wanna talk about that.

[Cootie]

alienatedflea wrote...

sorry sir...the fact is that when a company starts servicing the fans...something always pays...its usually the storyline...if you dont believe me...play DA:O then play DA2...there is a huge disconnect between the two: the storyline is the main factor but there is other factors as well...ME3 is going to be medicore when it could have been the best game ever made...let me ask you this: Do you want a great game that signs shepard off in a big way or a poorly written game with tons of fan services? I would think that that answer would be pretty obivious that its the first one but I guess thats not the case.. oh well

It could have nothing to do with the brief period of development, hm?

Geddit?
Period?
Because there are so many... periods in the... geddit?
It's funny because, like, the per-

Okay. Shush.

[Russalka]

What isn't a fan service?

[Cootie]

Russalka wrote...

What isn't a fan service?

Planet Scanning.

*bah-dum-tsh!*


But to remain on-topic:
I'd still go for Mordin.

[Saeran]

Cootie wrote...
Planet Scanning.

*bah-dum-tsh!*


But to remain on-topic:
I'd still go for Mordin.

...For Science I presume.