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[Russalka]

Cootie wrote...

Russalka wrote...

What isn't a fan service?

Planet Scanning.

*bah-dum-tsh!*

Haven't you heard? They are totally pandering to the Monotonous Jobs Society and the accountants all over the world.

Modifié par Russalka, 17 mai 2011 - 02:49 .

[ElitePinecone]

I'm not going to repeat myself again, flea... so I'll just urge you to wait until E3 or ME3's release until you judge the game. If and when it turns out to be a fantastic experience, maybe you'll be convinced that s/s romances in a game won't ruin it entirely.

Or maybe not. I can't have a rational discussion without rationality from every side.

[Cootie]

Saeran wrote...

...For Science I presume.

For the sake of stopping Shepard from having too many badass children and taking over the galaxy.

[Barackus2]

SilentNukee wrote...

thats exactly what will happen...sorry (Source: DA2)

No, dude...DA2 has a freakin' HEART symbol for romancing. It was clearly evident. Don't pick the damn heart. Plus, we're talking ME here...Go to the DA forums if you wanna talk about that.

I think the fear is that the traditional nice paragon playthrough will lead to unwanted romance options coming up when most would just soon avoid it.  I'll just say right out what I guess some people are afraid to say, they don't want to see gay options in their game.  They don't particulary care if it exists, but for it to be an option at all for them is awkward and I guess weird.  They want to portray their Shepard just as well as you do, and my Shepard like myself has never questioned nor had his sexuality questioned by anyone, so why should it be an option in MY game.  

Also continuing the selfish reasons, people have grown attached to characters in the game, just like you would in any characters in a series you have followed whether it be books or movies, they feel like they know these characters and know how they act and can't reason why now they would suddenly show sexual interest in the main character.  While people do change, I guess its more of an instance of like "Come on man we were just discussing girls now you are falling for me?"  Also whether you like it or not "gay panic" still exists in this world, it may not necessarily be as violent as before but especially for young males it's results in an awkward situation when you are forced to deal with another's sexuality or differences no matter how subtle.

My only concern is that we have s/s options for everybody, and that it is done poorly and lessens cool convos you could have by not romancing, I hope not.  Also, while people keep harping on DA2, the only real problem with the s/s options was Anders, even when Fenris provided the option it did not bother me as much as it did Anders because I thought I had him figured out, selfish?, maybe but that's what people believe and although this game is based in the future where they may look on the past of Earth and laugh how silly we are in our rigid sexual ways, we are still living in that past.

[Shane Shepard]

alienatedflea wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

@flea:

Your doom-preaching is both premature and unwarranted. With respect, you've been against s/s romances since you've come to the forums - for reasons I can't even fathom and that you seem unable to articulate.

Do you seriously think Bioware would risk the storytelling integrity and appeal of the last game in the Mass Effect series - the most critically acclaimed series, celebrated and lauded series of games that they've ever created - by including content that was sub-par, contradictory or unsatisfactory? Would they pander to those wanting same-sex romances enough to, as you put it, "doom the Shepard storyline"?

No. Of course not. They're smarter, wiser and more creative than that. Trust in them.

More to the point, your obsession with Shepard's ruination via the evil spectre of teh ghey is... mystifying. Why not just enjoy the game for what it will be? Do a few lines of optional dialogue somehow contaminate a forty-hour game that's widely expected and promised to be one of the best cinematic gaming experiences of all time?

Is it *really* that big a deal?

sorry sir...the fact is that when a company starts servicing the fans...something always pays...its usually the storyline...if you dont believe me...play DA:O then play DA2...there is a huge disconnect between the two: the storyline is the main factor but there is other factors as well...ME3 is going to be medicore when it could have been the best game ever made...let me ask you this: Do you want a great game that signs shepard off in a big way or a poorly written game with tons of fan services? I would think that that answer would be pretty obivious that its the first one but I guess thats not the case.. oh well

servicing the fans > pays > $$$

[ElitePinecone]

@Barackus: That's an entirely reasonable concern, and I think Bioware are very eager to show that they've learned from some of the missteps of the implementation of the Anders romance in particular. Simply put, rejecting romance shouldn't be tied to morality points and they should (in my opinion) always be player-initiated.

Believe me, I've waded through enough heterosexual female LIs throwing themselves at Shepard to be sick of people throwing themselves at Shep's feet

That being said, I think it's prudent to just have faith in Bioware's ability to deliver. I've said this dozens of times, but they wouldn't risk the goodwill of fans by implementing substandard romances in the last game. This is probably their biggest game ever, with the most riding on it - to end the series in an amazing and epic way. S/S can only make it more immersive, with more options and more for people to experience. I highly doubt it'll prove to be an issue.

[PMC65]

Hardin4188 wrote...

What I'm confused about is that Casey is saying there will be new love interests, but in this interview here he is saying the opposite. www.pcgamer.com/2011/05/14/bioware-mass-effect-3-has-no-new-love-interests/
I don't think it makes any sense to have current characters suddenly come out. This game is set in the late 22nd century right? Would we still have closets?

Not telling Shepard how they feel may be  ... well, it is Commander Shepard! Have you ever known someone who is just so "it" that you think that in a thousand years they would never like you back? And one of my Shepards really likes Ash ... but she didn't say because ... oh, it wasn't an option.  

I have also known someone for years, thought of that person only as a friend and then one day - BAM! .. call it the lighting, cupid's arrow, whatever.  It does happen.

[PMC65]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I can't believe that out of all the news, the most talked about by far, is the fact that we can now bonk other guys.

Dead set.

It's odd. It's such a tiny section of an enormous game to get worked up about. 

I mean, why not celebrate the deeper friendship relationships promised with other characters, the new weapons, the customisability, the new worlds, the new Normandy, the new combat mechanics...

... heck, even the new hairstyles! 

Surely something you'll be staring at for 40 hours or so, Shepard's hairstyle, is far more important than something you'll see for thirty seconds, tops. 

The promised awesomeness and depth of the game can't be ruined by the addition of more, optional romances for players who want to pursue them. Getting unreasonably worked up in the face of so much other good news is an overreaction. 

Actually, Ash is really happy ... It took the heat off of her and her "makeover" for awhile.

[Catlana]

The Anders rewrite in DA2 was awful. A character that I liked in DA:A became a total farce in DA2. I do not want a repeat of that disaster in ME3. This is seriously bad news.

[Torhagen]

ElitePinecone wrote...

@Barackus: That's an entirely reasonable concern, and I think Bioware are very eager to show that they've learned from some of the missteps of the implementation of the Anders romance in particular. Simply put, rejecting romance shouldn't be tied to morality points and they should (in my opinion) always be player-initiated.

Believe me, I've waded through enough heterosexual female LIs throwing themselves at Shepard to be sick of people throwing themselves at Shep's feet

That being said, I think it's prudent to just have faith in Bioware's ability to deliver. I've said this dozens of times, but they wouldn't risk the goodwill of fans by implementing substandard romances in the last game. This is probably their biggest game ever, with the most riding on it - to end the series in an amazing and epic way. S/S can only make it more immersive, with more options and more for people to experience. I highly doubt it'll prove to be an issue.

About the Player-initiated-Romance-only if it fits the NPC's i don't mind  a good example for this is Isabella i think the bad example is Jacob.
i do still have some faith in Bioware for now i belive in the Priciple of Hope.
i disagree on the goodwil however just look at the changes from ME1 to ME2 which lead to a kind of trench warfare here on the BSN

[PMC65]

alienatedflea wrote...
As a side note, I am seeing a connection between most of the people who want gay romance in ME and their dragon age avatar
As far as I am concerned, the gay gamer community just doomed the ME shep storyline.  We are going to have people like in DA:A, Anders, who didnt have any hint of homosexuality and then all of the sudden he is now very emotional and homosexual in DA2...that character is effective destroyed...now we will have the same with jacob, garrus, wrex, thane, and many others...yet somehow it makes sense that those characters are gay...ill give you that shep can be gay if the gamer chooses it but those characters are well established and well-liked...but nooo the gay gamers community claim it can make sense...lol i dont think anyone of you have ever been told no so you think anything is possible if you complain enough...KUDOS it worked...

I haven't played Dragon Age yet so I can't speak on that game ... But I agree that the characters should not change the way they walk, talk, etc just because they are gay. Liara doesn't pull out a biker hat, get a tattoo, deepen her voice, change her walk or bash men when you play her as an LI with the femshep. Nope, she is simply Liara - Hopefully Garrus doesn't swish, wear a boa, rub against or flitter his one visible eye at Shepard ... If that happens I think a lot of gay people will also be pissed. They want Garrus, Wrex, Ash, Miranda, etc just as they are.

[ElitePinecone]

Catlana wrote...

The Anders rewrite in DA2 was awful. A character that I liked in DA:A became a total farce in DA2. I do not want a repeat of that disaster in ME3. This is seriously bad news.

Why do you assume something even remotely similar to Anders' rewrite would - or could - occur in Mass Effect? We have literally no details besides two tweets.

Do you at least want to wait for information before slamming it as bad news? Or, more to the point, have you considered that it's actually great news for the not-insignificant number of people who suggested these romances be included? Or people who appreciate mature storytelling and greater choice in their games? 

[FlyinElk212]

Catlana wrote...

The Anders rewrite in DA2 was awful. A character that I liked in DA:A became a total farce in DA2. I do not want a repeat of that disaster in ME3. This is seriously bad news.

Writing this in the "including same-sex" thread implies that rewriting Anders as a Same-sex option was a disaster that shouldn't be repeated. Is that what you're saying?

Because I believe that him becoming bisexual had absolutely nothing to do with his rewriting disaster. If anything, his loss of humor, constant emphasis on his mage agenda, and b1tching to EVERYONE in your crew was what made his rewrite a disaster--not the "he now likes same-sex" change.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 17 mai 2011 - 03:34 .

[JetsoverEverything]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Catlana wrote...

The Anders rewrite in DA2 was awful. A character that I liked in DA:A became a total farce in DA2. I do not want a repeat of that disaster in ME3. This is seriously bad news.

Why do you assume something even remotely similar to Anders' rewrite would - or could - occur in Mass Effect? We have literally no details besides two tweets.

Do you at least want to wait for information before slamming it as bad news? Or, more to the point, have you considered that it's actually great news for the not-insignificant number of people who suggested these romances be included? Or people who appreciate mature storytelling and greater choice in their games? 

or maybe he doesnt like it already cuz you know its like his opinion man.

[PMC65]

Cootie wrote...

Russalka wrote...

What isn't a fan service?

Planet Scanning.

*bah-dum-tsh!*


But to remain on-topic:
I'd still go for Mordin.

He's into showtunes ... so you have a chance!

[BigBody26]

I really hope this is not why the game was pushed back. I do not think this should have been added in the 3rd game. If it was an option since ME1, fine. But now, after 2 games of being straight Shepard suddenly decides he is bisexual?

Maybe that is why he is so violent, he is struggling with his sexuality. :-P

[Centauri2002]

BigBody26 wrote...

I really hope this is not why the game was pushed back. I do not think this should have been added in the 3rd game. If it was an option since ME1, fine. But now, after 2 games of being straight Shepard suddenly decides he is bisexual?

Maybe that is why he is so violent, he is struggling with his sexuality. :-P

My FemShep would disagree with you.

Modifié par centauri2002, 17 mai 2011 - 03:43 .

[SilentK]

alienatedflea wrote...

SilentK wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

look at DA2, When a company starts servicing their fans, the storyline pays for it...fan service: better combat system: Check, More romance options: Check, Storyline: suffered
DA2 all you do is run around a dam city and its not until half way through you realise...the storyline and its surrounding is stuck in that prison...i mean city which turned off alot of gamers...good job on getting what you want at the sacrifice of the whole series...

Hmmm.... the system used for romances in DA2 did not constrain Hawke to Kirkwall. "Merrill just hit on F!Hawke. Close the gates, close the gates!!!". It's just one part of the game. I do believe that making a ME2 LI bi could be very good in a game if it was well-written but I guess that they probably just introduce it with a new char. Was it wrong to make Tali a LI in ME2? I thought that that was a very nice fan-service anyways, didn't break the storyline for me at least. If I could just get her for my F!Shep. *Sigh*

oh okay...then why is there a huge difference between DA:O and DA2?...one was widely successful the other was a flop at best...

Do you believe that the only difference between DA:O and DA2 is there being LI:s being available for F!Hawke and M!Hawke both. So if Alistair and Morrigan would have been available to the warden it would have been the same way. The romance system is just one aspect of the game. I happen to like it alot. Perhaps you didn't. We are talking about LI:s and wheter they are available or not. The romance-system did not restrict Hawke to Kirkwall. The story did. If you thought that the game was a success or not is up to you. I loved it.

And again. If all fanservice is bad. Should they have scrapped Tali and Garrus? That must have been fanservice that I believe was very good. And if you think that there are to many LI:s in DA2. Don't flirt with them. Fenris and Merrill won't come after you if you don't flirt with them.

[Sphynx118]

Add it just to shut the vocal minority up.

It doesnt bother me as long as you dont go full retard and make existing characters do a 180 IE DA2.

And no, he wasnt retarded because he was gay. He was retarded because he suddenly went against his previous sexuality.

[Ryzaki]

Okay wise people who know more about Anders sexuality than his writers.

How exactly was his sexuality established as heterosexuality only?

I've asked this question several times and never has anyone proved it.

Go ahead. Try.

[Clonedzero]

Ryzaki wrote...

Okay wise people who know more about Anders sexuality than his writers.

How exactly was his sexuality established as heterosexuality only?

I've asked this question several times and never has anyone proved it.

Go ahead. Try.

no one important cares about his stupid sexuality.
he's just a horrible horrible HORRIBLE character.


horrible.



horrible

[Sphynx118]

Ryzaki wrote...

Okay wise people who know more about Anders sexuality than his writers.

How exactly was his sexuality established as heterosexuality only?

I've asked this question several times and never has anyone proved it.

Go ahead. Try.

When he babbles on about just wanting beer, a nice WoMaN and setting things on fire or something like that

[Centauri2002]

I'd just like to point out that this is the Mass Effect forum. >.>

[Shockey]

EDIT: nvm

Modifié par Shockey, 17 mai 2011 - 04:11 .