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[Ryzaki]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

No it wasn't,but it was turned down as being the only M/M option.

 

By me? I simply said I would prefer it not be the only m/m option. Not that I wouldn't accept it. 

[James2912]

I agree with Culturalgeekgirl in that ME's romance adds valuable drama to the game, it adds to the I'm starring in an epic sci fi movie adventure feeling. However it seems that since ME1 the romance section of the game has been growing exponentially, which to me is scary and unnecessarily especially since ME2 squadmate and friendship interaction was cut so much and tied so strongly to romance. It makes me wonder whats going to happen in ME3. Will I be able to talk to garrus or will he be to busy doing calibrations because I'm not intersted in effing him? Thats stupid! More friendship less LI's!

[ipgd]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

No it wasn't,but it was turned down as being the only M/M option.

No it wasn't. I'm sure the vast majority of us will be satisfied with whatever table scraps they leave us.

[Ghost Warrior]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

No it wasn't,but it was turned down as being the only M/M option.

 

By me? I simply said I would prefer it not be the only m/m option. Not that I wouldn't accept it. 

Not by you,but by some other people.

[Siansonea]

C9316 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Sometimes I think you all are more interested in the romance aspect than the actual game, I'd recommend playing the sims.

this should be handled as the word of god seriously a lot of you are taking the whole romance thing a bit toooo serious

The sims is a good romance game? xD what are you? 12?

Maybe its just me but seriously mass effect isnt about the romance it adds some drama and all that but really i dont pop it into my 360 to go get at miranda or hope that i can have a bi/gay option or foursomes(make it happen though).

if i really wanted romance i could just walk outside.

I vote that Bioware make a dating sim in the Mass Effect Universe, that way we all get what we want. We get the intense sci-fi story, and they get the equally intense romance story. Everyone wins!

(Also Thresher Maw for Bisexual LI anyone?)

Hahaha. So not helping. 

[PMC65]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Figure I might as well throw in a new curve to the pattern of thread uzumaki to have something different to discuss.

Enough's been brought up in thread as evidence of characters having one proclivity or another, with often the same evidence being used as backup for both opposing views. This is pretty much just showing our own internal bias that we're going to fill in gaps/interpretations along our own worldview.

With that said, I wonder how much temper flying around from both sides is more a matter of implying 'You're not reading the characters right.' than a matter of orientations.

Case in point, I've repeatedly said around the forums that the Garrus/Tali romance shift makes absolutely no sense to me. With how many playthroughs I've done on both games, it does feel to me like something spackled in and limits my Sheps dialogs with them since I don't want a romance with them. Now to a Garrus fan or a Talimancer, I must be clearly blind to not see the little innuendos they do. Really, I could sit down with one of them at a table and go over every bit in game with them pointing and saying "SEE!" and I'm still not going to see what they do, even elaborating how we respectively see things will likely result in each of us thinking the other's crazy.

Now, does my not seeing what they do just mean my perspective's different or am I misinterpreting? The first is common to everyone, the second implies that I'm wrong.

Everyone doesn't like it when they're wrong on something, but just having a differing perspective is something that we can engage in thoughtful discussion on. I think part of the temper flarings going on in the thread is from the presuming people are interpreting wrong than just having a differing perspective.

[Walrusninja]

Ipgd, it's not "table scraps". They're catering for a minority, that most developers don't bother with, probably because it leads to these massive rant-off's. It's realistic that if the options are included they are limited and a sort of "minority". Having everyone in the game Bi is just daft.

Modifié par Walrusninja, 17 mai 2011 - 07:48 .

[Zulmoka531]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Why can't you settle with BioWare focusing on making one great gay romance with Vega instead of changing old established characters?

We have repeatedly said that new gay characters would be cool. We, as in the main supportive posters of this thread, do not think old characters turning bi is so awful, but the idea of new S/S characters was not turned down.  Please do not willfully ignore what people have said.

No it wasn't,but it was turned down as being the only M/M option.

Ghost, just give it up man. I've not beef with gay or bi romances being putting it, I just don't like retconned characters. And everytime you bring that up in this thread you're gonna get "well they never said they weren't" thrown at you from all sides. This is exactly what happened in the DA2 romance threads.

[SennenScale]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

No it wasn't,but it was turned down as being the only M/M option.

 

By me? I simply said I would prefer it not be the only m/m option. Not that I wouldn't accept it. 

Not by you,but by some other people.

I have been watching this thread for some time, as I'm sure you must know already. People expressed disappointment if none of the old LIs could become bi, but didn't say it was old LIs or nothing.

[Ryzaki]

Walrusninja wrote...

Ipgd, it's not "table scraps", They're catering for a minority, that most developers don't bother with, probably because it leads to these massive rant-off's. It's realistic that if the options are included they are limited and a sort of "minority". having everyone in the game Bi is just daft.

I don't know. Having one option (or two) when everyone else has about 6 (because the new m/m is gonna be bi and there'll probably be a non-bi straight option) feels like table scraps to me. 

Especially if its only one option while everyone else has a choice. 

Of course scraps are better than nothing. Doesn't mean they're not scraps. 

Edit: Though actually 2 LIs wouldn't feel like scraps. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mai 2011 - 07:54 .

[ipgd]

Walrusninja wrote...

Ipgd, it's not "table scraps", They're catering for a minority, that most developers don't bother with, probably because it leads to these massive rant-off's. It's realistic that if the options are included they are limited and a sort of "minority". having everyone in the game Bi is just daft.

I wasn't saying it was table scraps or that every LI has to be bisexual. I was saying that the queers are not that hard to please and we'll take whatever they give us because it's still way more than any other game developer does. This is just a theoretical argument, nobody actually needs an all-bi crew.

[jlb524]

centauri2002 wrote...

I feel a little sorry for the new characters they bring in to be the bisexual love interests, because they're going to be labelled as merely "the bi LI" by quite a few people and not taken seriously as a character. They've not had the time to be built up like established characters and we haven't grown attached to them. I hope, for their sake, the writing is fantastic and compelling.

That's a good point...I fear they'll get a lot of unreasonable flack too, similar to the DA2 LIS.

I, personally, don't like any of the former female LIs (minus Liara and yes she's female xD) so look forward to a new bi female option and will ignore the hatas!

[Siansonea]

Yeah, when was the last time anyone said "it HAS to be an all-bi squad of returning characters?"

[brain_damage]

I like it how Casey says "not NECESARRILY true", which probably means that there will be old LIs returning as bi LIs in ME3.I hope.

[Walrusninja]

Ryzaki basically just said exactly that Sian. If i misunderstoof you, my apologies Ipgd.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

I really hope they change this game before it comes out, because honestly it makes this game WAY more restricted to a smaller audience!!!!

[James2912]

Ryzaki wrote...

Walrusninja wrote...

Ipgd, it's not "table scraps", They're catering for a minority, that most developers don't bother with, probably because it leads to these massive rant-off's. It's realistic that if the options are included they are limited and a sort of "minority". having everyone in the game Bi is just daft.

I don't know. Having one option (or two) when everyone else has about 6 (because the new m/m is gonna be bi and there'll probably be a non-bi straight option) feels like table scraps to me. 

Especially if its only one option while everyone else has a choice. 

Gays make up 10% of the population why should they have an equal amount of romances as the hetero population. There is no equality in media between gays aand heteros because homosexuals are a small minority. See this is what I was talking about when I said this group is going to be known as the new talimancers. You want equality of choices when you are NOT equal you are a minority. BTW the 10% is rounding up according to the US government the population of gay men is as little as 1.65% of men. 

And i saw ryzaki changed the original post. But I already wrote this so whatever.

Modifié par James2912, 17 mai 2011 - 07:56 .

[thatguy212]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

I really hope they change this game before it comes out, because honestly it makes this game WAY more restricted to a smaller audience!!!!

How so?

[Ryzaki]

James2912 wrote...
Gays make up 10% of the population why should they have an equal amount of romances as the hetero population. There is no equality in media between gays aand heteros because homosexuals are a small minority. See this is what I was talking about when I said this group is going to be known as the new talimancers. You want equality of choices when you are NOT equal you are a minority. BTW the 10% is rounding up according to the US government the population of gay men is as little as 1.65% of men. 

*sighs* 

Point. Missing it. 

Ah well. 

[FLYING GRENADE11]

James2912 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Walrusninja wrote...

Ipgd, it's not "table scraps", They're catering for a minority, that most developers don't bother with, probably because it leads to these massive rant-off's. It's realistic that if the options are included they are limited and a sort of "minority". having everyone in the game Bi is just daft.

I don't know. Having one option (or two) when everyone else has about 6 (because the new m/m is gonna be bi and there'll probably be a non-bi straight option) feels like table scraps to me. 

Especially if its only one option while everyone else has a choice. 

Gays make up 10% of the population why should they have an equal amount of romances as the hetero population. There is no equality in media between gays aand heteros because homosexuals are a small minority. See this is what I was talking about when I said this group is going to be known as the new talimancers. You want equality of choices when you are NOT equal you are a minority. BTW the 10% is rounding up according to the US government the population of gay men is as little as 1.65% of men. 

And i saw ryzaki changed the original post. But I already wrote this so whatever.

^FTW^

[Walrusninja]

James has a point, although some dodgy wording. We are all equals, as people of course, and in basically every sense. But his point on the proportion equality was spot on. This is a fine balancing act.

[LiquidGrape]

Newsflash: straight players can roleplay a non-straight character.

I wish we could have the original thread back. It had a history of discourse we could rely on. Now the same old crap has just been brought to the surface again.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 17 mai 2011 - 07:59 .

[jlb524]

I thought some straight people played s/s romances or was I wrong?

I was lied to. ;(

[Blacklash93]

Has anyone here seen the PS3 backstory comic? It basically shoehorns Shepard into being atrracted to Liara and Ashley. Same for FemShep, except with Kaiden and Liara.

The way the ME team handles optional romances is... cumbersome at best. You had to avoid Ashely and Kaiden like a plague to get them off you.

[Centauri2002]

James2912 wrote...

Gays make up 10% of the population why should they have an equal amount of romances as the hetero population. There is no equality in media between gays aand heteros because homosexuals are a small minority. See this is what I was talking about when I said this group is going to be known as the new talimancers. You want equality of choices when you are NOT equal you are a minority. BTW the 10% is rounding up according to the US government the population of gay men is as little as 1.65% of men. 

And i saw ryzaki changed the original post. But I already wrote this so whatever.

Do you really think only gay people play the same sex romances? I'm so~ sure it's only lesbians that play FemShep romancing Liara... 

As can be seen throughout this thread and others like it, there are a number of players who aren't gay males who are interested in m/m romances.

ETA: And by that reasoning, FemShep should have had less romance options since there are statistically fewer female players.

Modifié par centauri2002, 17 mai 2011 - 08:00 .