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Walrusninja wrote...
James has a point, although some dodgy wording. We are all equals, as people of course, and in basically every sense. But his point on the proportion equality was spot on. This is a fine balancing act.
jlb524 wrote...
I thought some straight people played s/s romances or was I wrong?
I was lied to. ;(
James2912 wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Walrusninja wrote...
Ipgd, it's not "table scraps", They're catering for a minority, that most developers don't bother with, probably because it leads to these massive rant-off's. It's realistic that if the options are included they are limited and a sort of "minority". having everyone in the game Bi is just daft.
I don't know. Having one option (or two) when everyone else has about 6 (because the new m/m is gonna be bi and there'll probably be a non-bi straight option) feels like table scraps to me.
Especially if its only one option while everyone else has a choice.
Gays make up 10% of the population why should they have an equal amount of romances as the hetero population. There is no equality in media between gays aand heteros because homosexuals are a small minority. See this is what I was talking about when I said this group is going to be known as the new talimancers. You want equality of choices when you are NOT equal you are a minority. BTW the 10% is rounding up according to the US government the population of gay men is as little as 1.65% of men.
And i saw ryzaki changed the original post. But I already wrote this so whatever.
Only 20% of the people who played ME2 played a female Shepard. Should femShep be, what, forced to undergo a mandatory sex change halfway through the game to properly represent the statistical distribution of the playerbase?James2912 wrote...
Gays make up 10% of the population why should they have an equal amount of romances as the hetero population. There is no equality in media between gays aand heteros because homosexuals are a small minority. See this is what I was talking about when I said this group is going to be known as the new talimancers. You want equality of choices when you are NOT equal you are a minority. BTW the 10% is rounding up according to the US government the population of gay men is as little as 1.65% of men.
And i saw ryzaki changed the original post. But I already wrote this so whatever.
Blacklash93 wrote...
Has anyone here seen the PS3 backstory comic? It basically shoehorns Shepard into being atrracted to Liara and Ashley. Same for FemShep, except with Kaiden and Liara.
The way the ME team handles optional romances is... cumbersome at best. You had to avoid Ashely and Kaiden like a plague to get them off you.
Modifié par FLYING GRENADE11, 17 mai 2011 - 08:04 .
FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...
Because christians,Muslims and some athiests will probably not buy this game.
and probably guys who dont want to look gay lol
James2912 wrote...
Gays make up 10% of the population why should they have an equal amount of romances as the hetero population. There is no equality in media between gays aand heteros because homosexuals are a small minority. See this is what I was talking about when I said this group is going to be known as the new talimancers. You want equality of choices when you are NOT equal you are a minority. BTW the 10% is rounding up according to the US government the population of gay men is as little as 1.65% of men.
A fair amount of straight players want it, too. Just thought it warranted mentioning.
TheMarshal wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
I thought some straight people played s/s romances or was I wrong?
I was lied to. ;(
I'm a lie?? ::gasp!::
James2912 wrote...
Well if you read my previous posts you would know that not only do I support gay LI's in ME I even said make all the alien LI's bi at one point. It just astounds me that even with that people are still complaining. Oh were just getting table scraps.
Equality was referring to customer base. Hell I even support gay marriage full and whole heartedly. We'll see if people turn to the old your a homphobe just because I don't want all characters to be gay.
ipgd wrote...
Only 20% of the people who played ME2 played a female Shepard. Should femShep be, what, forced to undergo a mandatory sex change halfway through the game to properly represent the statistical distribution of the playerbase?James2912 wrote...
Gays make up 10% of the population why should they have an equal amount of romances as the hetero population. There is no equality in media between gays aand heteros because homosexuals are a small minority. See this is what I was talking about when I said this group is going to be known as the new talimancers. You want equality of choices when you are NOT equal you are a minority. BTW the 10% is rounding up according to the US government the population of gay men is as little as 1.65% of men.
And i saw ryzaki changed the original post. But I already wrote this so whatever.
Modifié par LiquidGrape, 17 mai 2011 - 08:09 .
jlb524 wrote...
TheMarshal wrote...
I'm a lie?? ::gasp!::
Yes, I think you must be a lesbian woman disguised as a straight male.
James2912 wrote...
Well if you read my previous posts you would know that not only do I support gay LI's in ME I even said make all the alien LI's bi at one point. It just astounds me that even with that people are still complaining. Oh were just getting table scraps.
Equality was referring to customer base. Hell I even support gay marriage full and whole heartedly. We'll see if people turn to the old your a homphobe just because I don't want all characters to be gay.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mai 2011 - 08:07 .
You love putting words in other people's mouths, don't you?James2912 wrote...
See there you go. I support gay LI's I even support making Tali and Thane gay LI's but its still not enough. I even support making James Vega a badass super cool exclusively gay LI. But no everyone has to be gay or your being discriminated against.<_<
I'd be fine with just one new bi LI. They very, very, very likely won't ever do an exclusively gay romance because of costs, and that is fine too.
I just don't think other characters "becoming" bisexual would be the end of the world like some people here seem to think it would be.
I wasn't saying it was table scraps or that every LI has to be bisexual. I was saying that the queers are not that hard to please and we'll take whatever they give us because it's still way more than any other game developer does. This is just a theoretical argument, nobody actually needs an all-bi crew.
Modifié par James2912, 17 mai 2011 - 08:09 .
C9316 wrote...
I look at this thread look back and think to myself "Gee, and Bioware didn't even have to give us what we got now, heck they should've made it where you couldn't romance anyone just so people wouldn't have to rant about not being accomodated."
Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mai 2011 - 08:09 .
James2912 wrote...
But no everyone has to be gay or your being discriminated against.<_<
Ryzaki wrote...
C9316 wrote...
I look at this thread look back and think to myself "Gee, and Bioware didn't even have to give us what we got now, heck they should've made it where you couldn't romance anyone just so people wouldn't have to rant about not being accomodated."
They might've been able to work on some decent character development outside screwing someone in that case as well. Hi Jack. <_<
Edit: @James: And you know what fine. Sorry for asking for 2 bi male LIs. I'll be sure never to ask for more than I deserve again.
Isn't it technically only considered bisexual if you count alternate universes? (gay if maleshep, straight if femaleshep) so there could sorta be a gay-exclusive romancecentauri2002 wrote...
James2912 wrote...
Well if you read my previous posts you would know that not only do I support gay LI's in ME I even said make all the alien LI's bi at one point. It just astounds me that even with that people are still complaining. Oh were just getting table scraps.
Equality was referring to customer base. Hell I even support gay marriage full and whole heartedly. We'll see if people turn to the old your a homphobe just because I don't want all characters to be gay.
James, the majority of us don't want that either. Heck, no one's going to be gay. I'd quite like a gay-exclusive romance option but I'll be happy with one bisexual option.
Modifié par thatguy212, 17 mai 2011 - 08:15 .
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