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[atheelogos]

Ryzaki wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
No, you take Jacob and you LIKE IT!  : P

NOOOOOOOOOOO!

highest rated comment on that video was "Mass Effect 3 was delayed today, and this was my first reaction." lmfao:O:lol:

[KawaiiKatie]

Snowship wrote...

I hope they do, but when has Bioware made an out-and-out gay character?

There's a first time for everything!

After all, DA2 was the first time Bioware made all of the romance options bisexual. Maybe ME3 will try to establish a landmark as well! Everyone knows that Bioware wants to pull out all the stops and make ME3 their most epic game to date... So don't kick yourself for being hopeful!

[Mr.House]

ReconTeam wrote...

So we're back to people wanting preexisting LIs to suddenly decide they're bisexual? *sigh*

I oppose this to begin with but I really, really, really hope that isn't the route Bioware is taking.

That's your fault for assuming everyone was straight.

[InvaderErl]

Em23 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...
Posting what I said in the other thread:


I'm okay with this as long as its not characters already in a state of romance.

What I mean by this is I'd rather they focus on developing the pre-existing romances rather than splitting that time to make said characters romanceable for Shepard's that have not even initiated a romance with them yet.

Samara for example or someone like Shiala or this new Vega character I think would be sensible.

There are going to be in's for new players anyway

Do we actually know this for sure? Was it said?

But I guess what I'm saying regardless is romantic dialoge for a Tali or a Jack or a Garrus who is already in a romantic relationship should be drastically different than if you were to be just starting that romance. I feel like trying to accomodate both (instead of using the characters we have available who can fit into s/s roles easily) is just going to end up in them reducing the existing relationship dialogue as it stands to incorporate both.

An example I'll use is Liara. They didn't suddenly include some option to romance her if you didn't in Shadowbroker. Trying to shoehorn a romantic option for her character for Shepards that NEVER romanced for ME3 her seems folly.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 16 mai 2011 - 06:36 .

[corporal doody]

atheelogos wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...

Best option - James Vega and Liara bi. Everybody else stays the same

This! Keep everybody how they are now. No funny stuff like the Garrus and Tali romance. 

Liara isn't bi. These labels don't jive with Asari.

LORE-WISE.....i would agree.  Liara being neutral and excluded from the bi debate. which would allow the need for a human female to fill the role.

[Ryzaki]

And on the Anders is straight arguement. Anders flirts with femwarden in a few non serious lines. The one time she flirts back he laughs it off. He tells both her and the malewarden that "I love you...but not in that way." he has a female elven lover. He has a flirty comment to both Velanna and Natheniel "Not when I'm naked." to annoy them (and personally because I think he finds them both attractive).

in DA2 he's lonely and desperate and Hawke's capable, helpful, kind and understanding to him after he's gone all glowy and proven himself an abomination which would send most people screaming for the hills. Of course he would jump on that like a starving man. He wanted to see if Hawke wanted him too.

None of that makes him specifically heterosexual. Espcially since awakening was only a 6 month period and the Warden had no real reason to quiz Anders on his preferences.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Ryzaki wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Honestly, what I advocate for is a variety. One or two LIs who flirt openly Liara-style, one or two who have to be pushed Garrus and Jack style, and possibly a few who are slightly tricky to unlock, but who can be unlocked if you're serious about it.

That way there's a good balance and it doesn't feel like a harem anime. Becasue I don't care if she never says "I like you," if a girl gets all blushy when she talks to me, I get the message! 

I also think that, by default, each gender should have one cannon straight, gay, and bi option, but that there should be an in-game option that unlocks all romances for all genders. That way people who aren't bothered by the harem feeling can get whoever they want, while people who want quieter, more personal relationships have all the possible options, gender-wise.

variety is nice. But I understand people not wanting it. Tali flirting with my Shepard was a real "wait...WHAT?!?" momet for me and tainted my view of the character. It really is better if something like that is player initated only.

I don't know DA2 never felt like a harem to me. Probably because there was only 4 and everyone was all too willing to ditch you *glares at Fenris and Isabea* for several years.

Though yeah Tali's actions were a bit of a sigh moment. I want that to start after I choose the obvious romane initation dialogue.

I'd just like strictly m/m and f/f romances along with a bi option. So the players that want a s/s LI get a choice and an LI that's exclusive only to their gendered Shepard.

Heh, my original argument was for Nigel Fishnchips to be a m/m only option, and for the new femturian option to be f/f only. I say this as someone who would love for a femshep to be able to romance Nigel. It would still be better if we got some canonical gay characters.

That said I already feel bad for all the Maleshep players who are in love with Kaidan, or the femsheps who want to romance Tali. You can already mod their relationships in, so I don't think it would be a bad idea to have an "all bets are off" Switch you could flip in game that just lets people do whatever the heck they want, while still giving characters canonical, in-story orientations. If that makes any sense.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 16 mai 2011 - 06:41 .

[Alpha-Centuri]

corporal doody wrote...

LORE-WISE.....i would agree. Liara being neutral and excluded from the bi debate. which would allow the need for a human female to fill the role.

Dr. Chakwas. We need a cougar romance as well to fit all demographics.

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 16 mai 2011 - 06:36 .

[ObserverStatus]

InvaderErl wrote...

Posting what I said in the other thread:



I'm okay with this as long as its not characters already in a state of romance.

What I mean by this is I'd rather they focus on when handling the pre-existing relationships they use that time to further develop said relationships as they exist rather than splitting time to somehow get Shepards who are not in that relationship up to speed.

Samara for example or someone like Shiala or this new Vega character I think would be sensible as love interests for s/s Shepards.

I don't think that's going to happen, I hear that there aren't going to be any new love interests in ME3.  The s/s LI's will probably arise from retroactive continuity.  To be fair, that wouldn't be the first thing about Ashley retconned (Ex. "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.")

[InvaderErl]

Technically speaking Shiala or Samara would not be new romances as you could have initiated flirtation with them in ME2.

Regardless as Hudson pointed out things do change and their plans have evolved.

[corporal doody]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

LORE-WISE.....i would agree. Liara being neutral and excluded from the bi debate. which would allow the need for a human female to fill the role.

Dr. Chakwas. We need an old romance as well to fit all demographics.

^^^^...THIS a billion times over!!!

Chakwas is a milf and a half! she would be awesome! and im not kidding...i mean that in all seriousness

[ObserverStatus]

InvaderErl wrote...

Technically speaking Shiala or Samara would not be new romances as you could have initiated flirtation with them in ME2.

Regardless as Hudson pointed out things do change and their plans have evolved.

how recently has he said this?

[Ziggy]

InvaderErl wrote...

Em23 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...
Posting what I said in the other thread:


I'm okay with this as long as its not characters already in a state of romance.

What I mean by this is I'd rather they focus on developing the pre-existing romances rather than splitting that time to make said characters romanceable for Shepard's that have not even initiated a romance with them yet.

Samara for example or someone like Shiala or this new Vega character I think would be sensible.

There are going to be in's for new players anyway

Do we actually know this for sure? Was it said?

But I guess what I'm saying regardless is romantic dialoge for a Tali or a Jack or a Garrus who is already with in a romantic relationship should be drastically different than if you were to be just starting that romance. I feel like trying to accomodate both (instead of using the characters we have available who can fit into s/s roles easily) is just going to end up in them reducing the existing relationship dialogue as it stands to incorporate both.

An example I'll use is Liara. They didn't suddenly include some option to romance her if you didn't in Shadowbroker. Trying to shoehorn a romantic option for her character for Shepards that NEVER romanced for ME3 her seems folly.

Well in the confirmed features thread it says: There will be intros to LIs for new players, and a final resolution for previous romances.
Make of that what you will.

[thatguy212]

bobobo878 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Posting what I said in the other thread:



I'm okay with this as long as its not characters already in a state of romance.

What I mean by this is I'd rather they focus on when handling the pre-existing relationships they use that time to further develop said relationships as they exist rather than splitting time to somehow get Shepards who are not in that relationship up to speed.

Samara for example or someone like Shiala or this new Vega character I think would be sensible as love interests for s/s Shepards.

I don't think that's going to happen, I hear that there aren't going to be any new love interests in ME3.  The s/s LI's will probably arise from retroactive continuity.  To be fair, that wouldn't be the first thing about Ashley retconned (Ex. "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.")

Well Casey did say there would be wider options for romance including same sex, which to me sounds like there will be more LI and some will be same sex

[Ryzaki]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Heh, my original argument was for Nigel Fishnchips to be a m/m only option, and for the new femturian option to be f/f only. I say this as someone who would love for a femshep to be able to romance Nigel. It would still be better if we got some cannonical gay characters.

That said I already feel bad for all the Maleshep players who are in love with Kaidan, or the femsheps who want to romance Tali. You can already mod their relationships in, so I don't think it would be a bad idea to have an "all bets are off" in game trigger that just lets people do whatever the heck they want, while still giving characters cannonical, in-story orientations. If that makes any sense.

LOL Nigel Fishnchips. I want my sniper guy!  He better be a squaddie.

Yes agreed. I would prefer the m/m option if a new person was m/m romance only.

I'd be happy if they just left the voice files in game again. And yeah it makes sense. Let people make their only fanon but have canon one way.

[Siansonea]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

So we're back to people wanting preexisting LIs to suddenly decide they're bisexual? *sigh*

I oppose this to begin with but I really, really, really hope that isn't the route Bioware is taking.

Would you say that existing characters expressing bisexual interest are all equally unrealisitic, or do you think it's less of a stretch for some characters than for others? Do you think, for instance, that someone like Kaidan might have been a little more reserved about interest in MaleShep, as opposed to FemShep? After all, he does tell my ManShep on Horizon that "losing you was like losing a limb". Seriously, my Liaramancing male Vanguard was like "reeaaaally Kaidan?":huh: and my man-loving male Sentinel was like "really Kaidan?":O

Can't speak for ReconTeam, but I do think that for some characters it would be much more of a stretch than others. Kaidan, for example, I could certainly see as being a gay option for MSheps. Likewise I could see Thane, Miranda, and Tali. 

Others, however, would feel much more forced, possibly to the level of an outright retcon (like how I felt about Anders in DA2). Ash, Garrus, and Jack fall under this side of spectrum. 

Now, sure, there is only one character that has explicity stated they're not into the opposite sex, Jack. But I find the argument that because a character never explicity said they weren't bisexual it totally makes sense for them to be in the next game, no matter what their previous characterzerization, to be very flimsy and tiring, similar to "you can't prove that evolution occured". 

I agree that just because something doesn't directly contradict a character's history, that it's not automatically a good idea for the character. For me personally, Kaidan and Miranda seem like the best s/s options if they're going to expand existing LIs. Kaidan never got the right signals from Shepard, and Miranda was too fixated on her fertility questions to consider a woman at that point, or she just didn't get the right signals from Shepard either. Both are very "complicated" personalities who don't necessarily put everything out there on display for Shepard, so they're the best candidates for having 'held something back' from Shepard in general, not just in regards to sexuality.

Ash is a tough, no-nonsense gal, and I think that if she was into FemShep, she wouldn't have been all that shy about it. Same with Jack, though with Jack's history I could see her having been very hurt by Manara(?) and much less receptive to women in general as a result (otherwise, why doesn't she hate Miranda and Jacob equally?).

Jacob is kind of an unknown quantity, for all that I've talked to him in almost every playthrough, he comes across like he's not revealing anything of substance about himself. Now that can mean there simply isn't anything under the surface, or there's a whole lot of something under the surface. That something, of course, might have nothing to do with sexuality though.

And the non-asari alien romances weird me out anyway, so s/s implementation is no more or less weird to me.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 16 mai 2011 - 06:41 .

[AdmiralCheez]

@CGG: CANON. C-A-N-O-N.

"Cannon" with two n's is the thing that goes boom.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 16 mai 2011 - 06:41 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Ryzaki wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Heh, my original argument was for Nigel Fishnchips to be a m/m only option, and for the new femturian option to be f/f only. I say this as someone who would love for a femshep to be able to romance Nigel. It would still be better if we got some cannonical gay characters.

That said I already feel bad for all the Maleshep players who are in love with Kaidan, or the femsheps who want to romance Tali. You can already mod their relationships in, so I don't think it would be a bad idea to have an "all bets are off" in game trigger that just lets people do whatever the heck they want, while still giving characters cannonical, in-story orientations. If that makes any sense.

LOL Nigel Fishnchips. I want my sniper guy!  He better be a squaddie.

Yes agreed. I would prefer the m/m option if a new person was m/m romance only.

I'd be happy if they just left the voice files in game again. And yeah it makes sense. Let people make their only fanon but have canon one way.

Man, my favorite thing on this board is when two people can explain themselves enough that they actually realized they agree on most of the central issues.

"Let people make their own fanon but have canon one way" is exactly what I've been trying to say all along. Of course, there also needs to be at least one canonical gay character.

It would also be funny if that canonical gay character turns out to be Joker. Or Anderson. Or Nigel.

[TheBlackBaron]

bobobo878 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Technically speaking Shiala or Samara would not be new romances as you could have initiated flirtation with them in ME2.

Regardless as Hudson pointed out things do change and their plans have evolved.

how recently has he said this?

Pretty much everytime an new piece of information comes out that contradicts a piece of information from a previous interview. For example, the switching of the new guy's name from James Sanders to James Vega. 

[atheelogos]

corporal doody wrote...

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

LORE-WISE.....i would agree. Liara being neutral and excluded from the bi debate. which would allow the need for a human female to fill the role.

Dr. Chakwas. We need an old romance as well to fit all demographics.

^^^^...THIS a billion times over!!!

Chakwas is a milf and a half! she would be awesome! and im not kidding...i mean that in all seriousness

I agree For some reason she reminds me of Nina Hartley.... Too much info? lol

[CulturalGeekGirl]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@CGG: CANON. C-A-N-O-N.

Cannon wit two n's is the thing that goes boom.

D'oh. Forgive me, it's almost 3am here.

Also, is there ANY Firefox plugin that makes spellcheck work in this infernal text box? 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 16 mai 2011 - 06:42 .

[InvaderErl]

bobobo878 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Technically speaking Shiala or Samara would not be new romances as you could have initiated flirtation with them in ME2.

Regardless as Hudson pointed out things do change and their plans have evolved.

how recently has he said this?

In the same sex twitter announcement he says that their plans do change.

[AdmiralCheez]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

D'oh. Forgive me, it's almost 3am here.

Forgive ME--I just noticed my typo.

[Ryzaki]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Man, my favorite thing on this board is when two people can explain themselves enough that they actually realized they agree on most of the central issues.

"Let people make their own fanon but have canon one way" is exactly what I've been trying to say all along. Of course, there also needs to be at least one canonical gay character.

It would also be funny if that canonical gay character turns out to be Joker. Or Anderson. Or Nigel.

Indeed.

Agreed as well.

I wouldn't mind Joker or Nigel (or this Vega dude). Anderson's though...no thanks. Isn't he in love with his wife? That would be jarring to say the least.

[PMC65]

Ryzaki wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Zatwu wrote...

In all seriousness, I don't mind S/S relationships but I think all relationships should be player initiated only. The progressively exaggerated number of people lining up for me to say "No" in ME2 stopped being funny a while ago.

it would also be an interesting change of pace if shepard got rejected once in a while (way to go Samara)

Agreed on both points.

I shouldn't be told to f*** off by jack because I accidently pressed a romance trigger and later backed out. That's bull.

She said that to you too? That girl is whacked!

I had a lot of "oops, no. I didn't want to go there with you ... er, crap!" cut to Shepard racing back up to her cabin to make sure that Liara's pic was still standing.