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[Russalka]

How is this still relevant, walrusninja?

[Servo to the bitter end]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

IoCaster wrote...

What a trainwreck this whole subject is and it's so predictable that it makes my teeth itch. The complete story/plot of the series has taken a nose-dive into a bottomless sinkhole of stupidity and this gay romance crap is what BroWare decides to devote dev time to shoehorning into the finale? Quelle surprise!

Didn't this all get argued on the DA2 board? I wasn't paying much attention because I knew the game was going to suck, but IIRC someone made a suggestion to include a toggle or choice at the start of the game to nix the gay option. That seemed like a reasonable alternative. If it's all a question of inclusion and choice then make it an actual 'choice'.

Here ya go...

Selection screen for a new or imported character:

Male
Colonist
Sole Survivor
Gay - <yes>/<no> ?

If you choose <yes> then you get all of the dialogue options to pursue the gay romances in the game.

If you choose <no> then a flag is set and those dialogue options don't come up. Players that don't want any gay dialogue don't have to expose themselves to any homosexual content in the game. 

What's the problem with that solution?

people will still complain.

Because it's a lousy solution. It's a lot better to just treat them like any other one, and not pursue them if you don't want to.

[Ninja Mage]

Garrus with lisp=SEXY

[jlb524]

James2912 wrote...
These same people might turn against you if it became uncool to support you.

Okay, this has to be the funniest thing I've read all day...thanks for that.

[James2912]

Russalka wrote...

Except that a turning on or off button stems also from bigotry, among other things.

Why in ME you design your character, there personality, background, looks, skills. Why can't you choose if you want your character gay or not. Its an RPG people should have choice. Isn't that why gay li's were put in?

[Russalka]

What is wrong with just saying no and not pursuing the relationship?

[Ryzaki]

If there's a toggle I want all bi romances.

[JetsoverEverything]

Russalka wrote...

How is this still relevant, walrusninja?

Off-Topic

your picture scares the **** out of me.

[Ninja Mage]

But remember you guys, Shepard is a pre-defined heterosexual who likes blondes and budwieser and wants to be with Tali 4 EVER

[James2912]

jlb524 wrote...

James2912 wrote...
These same people might turn against you if it became uncool to support you.

Okay, this has to be the funniest thing I've read all day...thanks for that.

Condescend much?

[Servo to the bitter end]

James2912 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Except that a turning on or off button stems also from bigotry, among other things.

Why in ME you design your character, there personality, background, looks, skills. Why can't you choose if you want your character gay or not. Its an RPG people should have choice. Isn't that why gay li's were put in?

It's not the worst possible solution, granted - but it's still a lousy one. Why can't they just treat all the romances the same? That would be better....and more consistent. And again, if you find something objectionable - don't pursue it.

[James2912]

Nyoka wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Russalka wrote...

How is this still relevant, walrusninja?

Off-Topic

so

your picture scares the **** out of me.

This is the real reason people want a toggle.

so whats the problem with that. You get what you want they get what they want.


Also gay shepards would not be hit on by the straight LI's. It saves a lot of people a lot of grief and makes everyone happy. The only reason I can see people disagreeing is if people want to force their sexuality on others. which would make that person as bad as the guy who doesn't want any homosexuality as mass effect. Also this is the definition of equal.

Modifié par James2912, 17 mai 2011 - 09:01 .

[Ninja Mage]

This is great...I've fought so long for this MOMENT!

Garrus- Hey Shepard...I'm done calibrating ~sexy face~

Shepard- That's great Garrus, got any new info for me???

Garrus-No, but I've got something else...commander

Shepard- O_O

Garrus- Turians are known to be wild in bed...so you'll have to bear with me

Shepard- Garrus, I'm a man!

Garrus- I KNOW

Shepard-

[Russalka]

Was there ever any grief from gay players because of being hit on by the opposite gender?

[SennenScale]

James2912 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Except that a turning on or off button stems also from bigotry, among other things.

Why in ME you design your character, there personality, background, looks, skills. Why can't you choose if you want your character gay or not. Its an RPG people should have choice. Isn't that why gay li's were put in?

We can make a choice of LIs without specifically drawing attention to it in this manner. A gay on/off toggle is not a good way to fix the root of the problem: ninjamance.

If Bioware makes every romance clear and obvious, there's no problem, and better yet, fixes another existing issue, the straight ninjamance.

[ipgd]

Walrusninja wrote...

Ok jlb524, so there's nothing unusual whatsoever about jumping in to defend someone just because they're gay? In no way does it leave a "they're different, leave them alone" image? You'd do that for absolutely anyone would you? It couldn't possibly give a "he can't stand up for himself" idea or leave them feeling that you think they're weak?

Here I am standing up for individuals keeping to their own beliefs and the idea of gay rights, and the idea that gays are just as strong, and being attacked for it. Awesome. Maybe this is why so few people even try to understand or get involved?

That's... intensely ignorant. I'm not really sure how to address this in any civil capacity. You are reading into something that isn't there. I guarantee to you that... pretty much nobody thinks this way, and I personally do not know of any gay people who are offended for this reason. Are you gay? Why do you care about the imagined motivations of people who want to support gay rights?



As to the gay toggle: no, because it legitimizes bigotry. Concession to prejudice is unacceptable.

[jlb524]

Walrusninja wrote...

Ok jlb524, so there's nothing unusual whatsoever about jumping in to defend someone just because they're gay?

If I killed someone (I'm gay, btw) and a heterosexual jumped in to defend me just b/c I'm gay...yeah, that would be unusual.

First, understand that people in this thread are mainly defending BW's choice to add gay romances and not gay people in general or a gay person specifically.  Their reasons for that may even be selfish (i.e., they like gaymances themselves) or they don't see it as a big deal as it's just a choice that doesn't have to affect their game.

Some people have said some 'questionable' things and various people have raised objection to these points, whatever their sexual orientation is.  That is not the same as 'defending someone just b/c they're gay' b/c no gay person has done anything wrong.

[James2912]

Russalka wrote...

Was there ever any grief from gay players because of being hit on by the opposite gender?

There has been. 

[Servo to the bitter end]

James2912 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Russalka wrote...

How is this still relevant, walrusninja?

Off-Topic

so

your picture scares the **** out of me.

This is the real reason people want a toggle.

so whats the problem with that. You get what you want they get what they want.


Also gay shepards wound not be hit on by the straight LI's. It saves a lot of people a lot of grief and makes everyone happy.

Because again, it has some uncomfortable implications.

No toggle - all romances treated identically. Ideally, no one would hit on anyone, either. All romances would be initiated by Shepard. In fact, I think that's pretty much how each ME romance has operated thus far.

[ReveurIngenu]

James2912 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Except that a turning on or off button stems also from bigotry, among other things.

Why in ME you design your character, there personality, background, looks, skills. Why can't you choose if you want your character gay or not. Its an RPG people should have choice. Isn't that why gay li's were put in?

What people are complaining about is being hit on by characters of the
same sex.  Yeah, you can choose YOUR Shepard's sexuality, but allowing
you to choose the sexuality of team members and NPCs just because you
can't stand homosexuality is not a good idea because it makes it seem like homosexuality is something that can be turned off.

You choose your Shepard's sexuality by not pursuing same sex romances and rejecting offers from those of the same sex.  Your teammates sexualities is not part of Shepard and thus does not fall into the parameters you can decide.

[LiquidGrape]

James2912 wrote...

so whats the problem with that. You get what you want they get what they want.


Also gay shepards wound not be hit on by the straight LI's. It saves a lot of people a lot of grief and makes everyone happy.

Would you be equally supportive of a function which could exclude and/or revise characters of a particular ethnicity?

In short, consciously or not, what you're suggesting is a toggle for prejudices. Homophobic, heterophobic, any kind of sexual prejudice expressed by anyone of any orientation. This function would have been derived from a negative and inherently intolerant perspective.

I don't think that's the right approach in any context.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 17 mai 2011 - 09:03 .

[Ninja Mage]

yeah Miranda ninjamance hit on me, because I asked her how her sister was doing. I never initiated that AT ALL, but it was cool because I liked Miranda and she seemed sincere. I wasn't complaining about an ON/OFF switch for her

[James2912]

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Because again, it has some uncomfortable implications.

No toggle - all romances treated identically. Ideally, no one would hit on anyone, either. All romances would be initiated by Shepard. In fact, I think that's pretty much how each ME romance has operated thus far.

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Hey if it actually worked that way great. But there are guides on how not to be ninjamanced. And jack is a perfect example of a character which is ruined if you don't romance her. In that she become hostile.

[Ghost Warrior]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

TommyServo wrote...


Dude, shut up. I'm amazed that you don't realize how offensive that is, along with your previous statement. It's poorly veiled homophobia and arrogance.

No,I won't shut up. I say I don't approve homosexuality and suddenly everything else I said doesn't matter,that must be my only reason and everything else was there to hide my homophobia. WRONG!
If you read my older posts and those in Fight for Love,you would see that this is no new revelation,I never hid my disapproval of gay people.

If there was such option since ME1 I wouldn't like it,but I wouldn't complain about it. But waiting until the third game to introduce it...that I mind very much. Still,I am prepared for compromises - not making old characters suddenly bi and further break continuity,but introduce some new bi/gay characters.

Nothing about this,huh?