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#201
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Ryzaki wrote...

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Man, my favorite thing on this board is when two people can explain themselves enough that they actually realized they agree on most of the central issues.

"Let people make their own fanon but have canon one way" is exactly what I've been trying to say all along. Of course, there also needs to be at least one canonical gay character.

It would also be funny if that canonical gay character turns out to be Joker. Or Anderson. Or Nigel.


Indeed.

Agreed as well.

I wouldn't mind Joker or Nigel (or this Vega dude). Anderson's though...no thanks. Isn't he in love with his wife? That would be jarring to say the least.


I didn't know Anderson was married! If so, then scratch that.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Man, my favorite thing on this board is when two people can explain themselves enough that they actually realized they agree on most of the central issues.

"Let people make their own fanon but have canon one way" is exactly what I've been trying to say all along. Of course, there also needs to be at least one canonical gay character.

It would also be funny if that canonical gay character turns out to be Joker. Or Anderson. Or Nigel.


Indeed.

Agreed as well.

I wouldn't mind Joker or Nigel (or this Vega dude). Anderson's though...no thanks. Isn't he in love with his wife? That would be jarring to say the least.


I didn't know Anderson was married! If so, then scratch that.


Ex-wife.

Forgot they got divorced. :lol:

#203
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I can't read this anymore. This entire thread consists of people scrutinizing the most minuscule details and attributing a characters sexual orientation to them. The assumptions and ridiculous theories that people are putting for to justify why a character is more bisexual or less homosexual are ridiculous.

"Hey so Ashley didn't sleep with Liara could that mean she is bisexual?" 

"Well I don't know but did you see how she looked at femshep during a conversation?"

"Yeah, yeah man for real. Plus none of these characters had a long conversation with Shepard talking about how they did or didn't like penis or vagina, so the must like both."


Are you kidding me with this? 

Not only that, but including the two threads closed for discussing the same topic, i've never seen a larger pool of hypocrites gathered in one place adamantly denying their hypocrisy to one another. This thread is silly as hell. Go ahead make them all bisexual, make them all rainbow banner carrying idiots wearing underwear throughout the entire game, or make them all heterosexual conservatives who go around bashing gays and drinking Coors. I don't even care anymore. This place is a cesspool of uncivil disagreement and illogical arguments on both sides of the coin. This won't end, nobody will ever agree on this. There is too much ignorance and misunderstanding in double doses on both sides. You don't like Bioware making every character sexuality ambiguous and free for interpretation, don't play their games. Don't buy their games, because they're garbage. Like it? Buy their games, praise them. End of story.

This is obviously how Bioware is going to do things in terms or romances from now on, they've shown an inclination towards it. So tough, deal with it or leave. Mourn it for what it was, or celebrate the piece of crap for what it will be. It's a game, it's meant to be a source of enjoyment. Once it stops being that, walk away and find another game that you enjoy. This isn't worth your time or your grief.

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 16 mai 2011 - 06:46 .


#204
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This doesn't bother me, I just don't want it to make whole sale character experiences shallower if you don't romance them. I honestly feel like I miss out on a good deal of dialog when I don't romance someone, in terms of who they are or groundbreakingly changing their personality (i.e. Jack)


I agree with this completely. I hated the abruptness when you reached the point of romance when you couldn't romance the person.

FemShep got all close to Miranda, helped her with her sister, got to know her, then suddenly "Well, bye for the second half of the game, I won't talk anymore."

Put in a platonic option :D Something where they can go get drinks and get to know each other in the same way as the romance, but as friends.



Yes, Yes, Yes! Why this was not implemented from the word go is beyond me. For a roleplaying game, lovetalk should go -on top- of what is alredy there. Precisely to avoid situations where the only way to get two new words out of them is to claim(more or less diretly) an interest in bedding them on a regular basis.
And EA, do make yourselves useful and give them the cash they need to do this properly(though why they'd need so bloody much of it for a few extra hours of writing and voicework I have no idea)

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Technically speaking Shiala or Samara would not be new romances as you could have initiated flirtation with them in ME2.

Regardless as Hudson pointed out things do change and their plans have evolved.

So Shepard flirted with Shiala by not filling her skull with lead? :huh: I think she flirts with Shepard no matter what he/she says as long as she is alive.  I know I'm late to the "automatically initiated romance subplots are annoying" party, but isn't considering Shepard to be in a relationship with Shiala at the end of ME2 going a little far?  If not, Shepard may need to start sleeping with a can of weed killer under their pillow.

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Believe it or not Turk Bible Doctor, its been fairly civil. Especially the fight for a compromise thread. Don't overreact.

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 16 mai 2011 - 06:48 .


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Ah dramatics.

They don't agree with me so they're wrong and they're being ridculous.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 06:48 .


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bobobo878 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Technically speaking Shiala or Samara would not be new romances as you could have initiated flirtation with them in ME2.

Regardless as Hudson pointed out things do change and their plans have evolved.

So Shepard flirted with Shiala by not filling her skull with lead? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie] I think she flirts with Shepard no matter what he/she says as long as she is alive.  I know I'm late to the "automatically initiated romance  subplots are annoying" party, but isn't considering Shepard to be in a relationship with Shiala at the end of ME2 going a little far?  If not, Shepard may need to start sleeping with a can of weed killer under their pillow.



She's never flirted with my Shep so its definitely not something that has to happen.

What I'm saying though is that it could be justified that way by the developers as not being a "new" romance as it was established in ME2 and besides we can't say for sure now that as Hudson says their plans have changed.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 16 mai 2011 - 06:48 .


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Still in need of a brothel.

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bobobo878 wrote...
So Shepard flirted with Shiala by not filling her skull with lead? :huh: I think she flirts with Shepard no matter what he/she say as long as she is alive.

She only forces herself on you 'flirts' if your Shepard is  paragon.

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ark fear monger wrote...

Still in need of a brothel.

Mm, yeah.

#212
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Elfseeker wrote...

diskoh wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

This doesn't bother me, I just don't want it to make whole sale character experiences shallower if you don't romance them. I honestly feel like I miss out on a good deal of dialog when I don't romance someone, in terms of who they are or groundbreakingly changing their personality (i.e. Jack)


I agree with this completely. I hated the abruptness when you reached the point of romance when you couldn't romance the person.

FemShep got all close to Miranda, helped her with her sister, got to know her, then suddenly "Well, bye for the second half of the game, I won't talk anymore."

Put in a platonic option :D Something where they can go get drinks and get to know each other in the same way as the romance, but as friends.



Yes, Yes, Yes! Why this was not implemented from the word go is beyond me. For a roleplaying game, lovetalk should go -on top- of what is alredy there. Precisely to avoid situations where the only way to get two new words out of them is to claim(more or less diretly) an interest in bedding them on a regular basis.
And EA, do make yourselves useful and give them the cash they need to do this properly(though why they'd need so bloody much of it for a few extra hours of writing and voicework I have no idea)


Ideally for me, some time early in the playthrough for any potential love interst, there will be a conversation where you can lock in the "frienship" path or the "romance" path. Both will be approximately the same length, and once you're locked in to the frienship path you don't get romance prompts.

This might be a place for DA-style "tone hint" icons. I know some people don't like those, so they could be something you can turn on or off in the options menu... it's just that if you turn them off you risk making a misstep.

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GodWood wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
So Shepard flirted with Shiala by not filling her skull with lead? :huh: I think she flirts with Shepard no matter what he/she say as long as she is alive.

She only forces herself on you 'flirts' if your Shepard is  paragon.


...That's why she kept up with that "sometime...if we meet later?" crap?

...I actually have a reason to play a mostly renegade character now. :devil:

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

ark fear monger wrote...

Still in need of a brothel.

Mm, yeah.


Please no.

I don't need whining about the trap joke.

HOW DARE YOU PUT A TRAP IN GAME AND MAKE MY SHEPARD GAY BIOWARE!

Ugh.

#215
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ark fear monger wrote...

Still in need of a brothel.


I'm actually kind of curious about space-brothels. :lol:

#216
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Ryzaki wrote...
Please no.

I don't need whining about the trap joke.

HOW DARE YOU PUT A TRAP IN GAME AND MAKE MY SHEPARD GAY BIOWARE!

Ugh.

I actually thought that elf tranvestite in DA:O was a woman until I slept with it.




Well played Bioware, well played...

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Ryzaki wrote...
They don't agree with me so they're wrong and they're being ridculous.


> Implying i'm siding with some imaginary organization on this matter

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Bible Doctor wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
They don't agree with me so they're wrong and they're being ridculous.


> Implying i'm siding with some imaginary organization on this matter



That post implied nothing of the sort actually.

Nice try though.

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GodWood wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
So Shepard flirted with Shiala by not filling her skull with lead? :huh: I think she flirts with Shepard no matter what he/she say as long as she is alive.

She only forces herself on you 'flirts' if your Shepard is  paragon.

That just makes it weirder! Why would hugging Tali or brainwashing the heretics trigger her romance subplot? btw, she was a bit suggestive, but she hasn't forced herself on Shepard... yet, hence the weed killer.  I have no plans to let my blood feed the ground or the new growth.

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Siansonea II wrote...

I agree that just because something doesn't directly contradict a character's history, that it's not automatically a good idea for the character. For me personally, Kaidan and Miranda seem like the best s/s options if they're going to expand existing LIs. Kaidan never got the right signals from Shepard, and Miranda was too fixated on her fertility questions to consider a woman at that point, or she just didn't get the right signals from Shepard either. Both are very "complicated" personalities who don't necessarily put everything out there on display for Shepard, so they're the best candidates for having 'held something back' from Shepard in general, not just in regards to sexuality.


The "losing you was like losing a limb" line is the reason I wouldn't be shocked if Kaidan turned out to be bi (I've never seen that line myself - Ash lived in every single one of my profiles). With Miranda, at least part of it is just seeing her as the most likely out of the batch of previous LIs to be bisexual, but for actual character-based reasons, it would be her not knowing how Shepard would react (Tali says this is the reason she never told Shepard in ME1 about her feelings). Being genetically engineered might also have something to do with it. 

With Tali and Thane, it's mostly just because those options were supposedly in there for ME2 before being cut. 

Ash is a tough, no-nonsense gal, and I think that if she was into FemShep, she wouldn't have been all that shy about it. Same with Jack, though with Jack's history I could see her having been very hurt by Manara(?) and much less receptive to women in general as a result (otherwise, why doesn't she hate Miranda and Jacob equally?).


Ash actively pursues Shepard in ME1, albeit somewhat coquettishly, to the point where some people have found themselves ninjamanced (I've never figured out why it is people are unable to see the signs or what they're doing, but there you have it), so yeah, I think that if she was interested she would have gone for it. 

Jack, as I've said, is the only one who flat-out states she's not into girls. 


And the non-asari alien romances weird me out anyway, so s/s implementation is no more or less weird to me. :alien:


Heh, I romanced Ash and Tali on my primary MShep and Garrus on my primary FemShep. I guess it's just the Kirk wannabe in me. :innocent:

Anyhow, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to exclusively m/m or f/f options - in fact, my preferred way of handling things in DA2 would have been a 2 straight/2 bi/2 gay paradigm. But, and apologies if this bursts some people's persecution bubbles, I highly doubt there will be a massive outcry about exclusively homosexual options, no more than people complain about exclusively heterosexual options. 
 
I really wanted to romanced Ash as a FemShep back in the ME1 days, but the option wasn't there, so I sucked it up, didn't romance anybody, and later went for Garrus. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 16 mai 2011 - 06:59 .


#221
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GodWood wrote...
I actually thought that elf tranvestite in DA:O was a woman until I slept with it.
Well played Bioware, well played...



You didn't fall for Serpendity? I did. I laughed my ass off for a good five minutes. There's a guard that even walks around in hightown going "I hope Serpendity's working tonight." 

TheBlackBaron wrote..
in fact, my preferred way of handling things in DA2 would have been a 2
straight/2 bi/2 gay paradigm. But, and apologies if this bursts some
people's persecution bubbles, I highly doubt there will be a massive
outcry about exclusively homosexual options, no more than people
complain about exclusively heterosexual options.


Were you on The DAO forums when it was released? There's no "persecution" button. People were geniunely complaining about only getting Zevran and not Alistair. I have no doubt the same would happen on the other side. It has nothing to do with persecution and everything to do with human nature. The grass is always green on the other side and all that tripe. "Oh ZEvran's a man**** why can't we get the prince? Why does Zevran play such a small role in the storyline while Alistair has a large part? Why isn't he a good guy?" On and on and on.

People will always want what they can't have. It's that simple. I never said the s/s romance people didn't do it.

But of course acknowledging that is playing a "persecutation!" card. Right.

Just like acknowldeging that if all the LIs in ME were gay that there would've been a FFTL for heterosexual love interestes is playing a persecution card. Not simply acknowleding a reaction that would've occured. Of course.

So sorry. There was no persecution bubble to pop.

As for massive outcry. There probably would be as much fuss as there was about all the Lis being bi. It would die down yeah but that won't stop the complaining. And frankly there would be more complaining simply because more people would expect to use the o/s romance vs the s/s one. So it stands to reason a greater amount of people = a greater amount of complaining.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 07:22 .


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GodWood wrote...
I actually thought that elf tranvestite in DA:O was a woman until I slept with it.
Well played Bioware, well played...

which elf was this?

#223
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Oh, I do love the dramatics... BD, I hate to break it to you but I think there ain't a hell of a lot of 'mourning' for the old BioWare on this topic.

Lemme check back...

*checks back on this thread*

Hmm, I skimmed a bit, but nope, I think quite a few people in this thread are ... dare I say it? Happy. Though potentially contentious as to who is going to be the new s/s option. But not all that devastated. Imagine that?

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Bible Doctor,
I understand your frustration with this topic, but all things considered, leading up to your argument, there wasn't anything real aggressive about the posts at all, people were, pretty much getting along and being respectful.

If you've "had it" with any one topic, its a good idea to just not click on that Topic anymore.

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This news makes my frelling week.