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[xSTONEYx187x]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

Jabba the Hut?

Seriously?

Something like that would actually reaffirm that we have aliens in this game.

Salarians, Turians, Krogan, Rachni, Elcor,Yahg and Hanar. 

Do they not seem Alien enough?

Just because some are bi-pedal? I'm struggling to understand that statement. 

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 16 mai 2011 - 10:19 .

[Mudzr]

I imagine they're pretty ugly, there is a reason salarian males are asexual...
Lame jokes aside I hope they look unique but not femine, just different to the males.

[Mudzr]

I imagine they're pretty ugly, there is a reason salarian males are asexual...
Lame jokes aside I hope they look unique but not femine, just different to the males.

[Merchant2006]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Personaly, given how they are described in the Codex, I think they should look like Jabba the Hutt.

And yes, I know there was a Salarian female in Revelation,
but I believe it was befor the design of the races for Mass Effect was
finalized, so that one has probably been retconned already.

Modifié par Merchant2006, 16 mai 2011 - 12:33 .

[Clonedzero]

wouldnt it be cute if they looked just like the males but had different girly voices?

i mean tons of species have very similar looking males and females. why not have aliens be like that too?

i just dont want the females of the aliens to look the same but with boobs or something lol

[San_OpiA]

[Zulu_DFA]

Clonedzero wrote...

wouldnt it be cute if they looked just like the males but had different girly voices?

No, because we aready have asari with girly voices, quarians with girly voices, most probably will get turians with girly voices and lastly, we have girls with girly voices.

So I seriously think that salarian females should not be girly at all.

Clonedzero wrote...

i mean tons of species have very similar looking males and females. why not have aliens be like that too?

And tons of species have gender dimorphism. Why shouldn't at least some aliens be like that too?

Especially since it's been already established about the Salarians that the social roles of genders are vastly different, and it's not just customary but due to serious biolgical reasons, which means that evolution would have worked on them to be different, as the males had to be shaped for different behavior than the females.

Clonedzero wrote...

i just dont want the females of the aliens to look the same but with boobs or something lol

Too late, mate...

[Clonedzero]

oh is that the concept art? cus thats actually pretty good. wide hips and a different head structure. thats actually pretty convincing.

not sure if that is to scale but if it is i like the fact the females are a bit larger than the males

[San_OpiA]

^concept art probably, googled it.

[MajorStranger]

Pride Demon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

OK, here is a quiz: Can Mordin Solus have a son?

Shot answer: No.

Long answer:
Salarians reproduce in an aploid-diploid kind of way, keeping a 1:9 ratio of Females:Males. That means that when a dalatrass (salarian matron) lays egges a few are fertilized and hatch as females, most are not fertilized and hatch as males.

Only female eggs actually take any kind of genetic code from the father. So no, salarian fathers can technically have only daughters, for the sons only have genetic code from their mothers.

It actually depend on what do you call a son. Yes he cannot give his gene to a male salarian, that doesn't mean he couldn't take care of a younger salarian he would care for like a father does to a son. Adoptive son, but son nonetheless.

I think the female salarian should have an 50-ish heavy smoker voice. A faint woman-ish voice.

Modifié par MajorStranger, 16 mai 2011 - 01:58 .

[Homebound]

i thought salarian females were like brood mothers.

[Zulu_DFA]

Hellbound555 wrote...

i thought salarian females were like brood mothers.

Well, if the ratio is 1:9, then each Salarian female has to hatch only 10 eggs on average, if we assume, if we assume that there are no problems with infant mortality. That doesn't mean however, that they didn't hatch hundreds of eggs when they were not yet sapient.

[Zulu_DFA]

MajorStranger wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

OK, here is a quiz: Can Mordin Solus have a son?

Shot answer: No.

Long answer:
Salarians reproduce in an aploid-diploid kind of way, keeping a 1:9 ratio of Females:Males. That means that when a dalatrass (salarian matron) lays egges a few are fertilized and hatch as females, most are not fertilized and hatch as males.

Only female eggs actually take any kind of genetic code from the father. So no, salarian fathers can technically have only daughters, for the sons only have genetic code from their mothers.

It actually depend on what do you call a son. Yes he cannot give his gene to a male salarian, that doesn't mean he couldn't take care of a younger salarian he would care for like a father does to a son. Adoptive son, but son nonetheless.

I think the female salarian should have an 50-ish heavy smoker voice. A faint woman-ish voice.

And since Salarian happy fathers can't have sons naturally, I think the Salarians totally doubt the concept of adoption. Or any paternal feelings for that matter.

[Bad King]

It would be cool if they looked like Jabba but a bit less gross and with big black salarian eyes. The concept art above looks too similar to a male, I think it would be better if they looked very different.

Modifié par Bad King, 16 mai 2011 - 03:02 .

[dbndzb]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And since Salarian happy fathers can't have sons naturally, I think the Salarians totally doubt the concept of adoption. Or any paternal feelings for that matter.

Disagree, Mordin talks very proudly of his nephew (I believe that's who it is), I think that suggests some paternal care.

[CARL_DF90]

Oy. Lots of conversation for something that probably won't be an issue considering we will be going to the Salarian home world in ME3. The odds in of us seeing a Salarian female are actually pretty in this case.

[Pride Demon]

MajorStranger wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Shot answer: No.

Long answer:
Salarians reproduce in an aploid-diploid kind of way, keeping a 1:9 ratio of Females:Males. That means that when a dalatrass (salarian matron) lays egges a few are fertilized and hatch as females, most are not fertilized and hatch as males.

Only female eggs actually take any kind of genetic code from the father. So no, salarian fathers can technically have only daughters, for the sons only have genetic code from their mothers.

It actually depend on what do you call a son. Yes he cannot give his gene to a male salarian, that doesn't mean he couldn't take care of a younger salarian he would care for like a father does to a son. Adoptive son, but son nonetheless.

I think the female salarian should have an 50-ish heavy smoker voice. A faint woman-ish voice.

That's why I said "technically"... ;P
From the typical genetic standard, the males are not actually the sons of their "fathers", since there is no real blood relationship between them, still that doesn't mean they can't love them as any other father would.
After all that's the norm for them, so for a salarian that's what being a father means...
I would however question whether the son actually reciprocates, salarians seem to have some sort of subconscious imprinting, naturally deferring to those they knew in their youth, that's not exactly "love" in the strict sense, more like "deep respect"...

Consider however, that norm or not the salarians are aware of this lack of blood link between males of various generations... It's very likely the main reason for their society to be matriarchal and their dynasties to be matrilinear, in a patriarchal salarian society each dynasty would last only a generation (which considering salarians live only 40 years, would mean their leaders would be constantly changing) and the father's clan would basically always go extinct since males don't have their father's genes... XD

Still, I like to think salarian society gives a different weight to a relative status than human society... For istance, after Mordin's comment, I like to think salarian males feel more attached to their "nephews" (with whom they have some sort of blood link) than to their "sons" (whit whom they have none)...

Just my opinion anyway...

[Zulu_DFA]

dbndzb wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And since Salarian happy fathers can't have sons naturally, I think the Salarians totally doubt the concept of adoption. Or any paternal feelings for that matter.

Disagree, Mordin talks very proudly of his nephew (I believe that's who it is), I think that suggests some paternal care.

I can talk very proudly of my dog, believe it or not. Or my car.

EDIT: actually scratch that, I believe Mordin loves his nephew better than that, but this must be some Salarian feeling, nothing like human fathers experience towards their human sons, including adopted ones. Maybe it resembles what human uncles feel towards their human nephews. Or maybe not.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 mai 2011 - 04:32 .

[Liec]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Yeah, what do they look like? And are are we going to see them, since we're visiting the Sur'kesh?

Personaly, given how they are described in the Codex, I think they should look like Jabba the Hutt.

And yes, I know there was a Salarian female in Revelation, but I believe it was befor the design of the races for Mass Effect was finalized, so that one has probably been retconned already.

I knew I wasn't the only one.

Ever since the Codex described as space kingpins I pictured them as Jabba, with a little broodmother from DA thrown in there and little salarian horns. I mean, they lay dozens of eggs a year after all, they could be huge <.< The queen bee is also bigger and fatter than the drones as well.

[Pride Demon]

Liec wrote...
I knew I wasn't the only one.

Ever since the Codex described as space kingpins I pictured them as Jabba, with a little broodmother from DA thrown in there and little salarian horns. I mean, they lay dozens of eggs a year after all, they could be huge <.< The queen bee is also bigger and fatter than the drones as well.

Not necessarily, extreme differences in size (with the female usually much bigger than the male) is more common in insects and arachnids (see rachni queen in game, and Black Widow in RL as two examples) than in reptiles and amphibians...

Here's an example...



These are two Western Green Lizards, they are to scale (between each other of course), one is male and one is female, the female two times a year lays about a dozen eggs, but she is not that bigger or smaller than the male...

This also helps with the other thing I was going to say in the post, that is salarian females are probably not that different from males, at least from a human perspective...

If you look at the picture you'll probably be unable to tell which is which between male or female (unless you are an expert... Or like me you've seen the unedited one where the sexes are pointed out in the caption...)...
They (the lizards, I mean) obiously know, it may be anything, pheromones, slightly different colouration, a slightly lighter or heavier build, but all these details (except for the more obvious) are lost to human senses, who are more attuned to discerning the sex of mammals (just like us)...

So in the end I think it's very likely fem!salarians would be similar to males in overall build, with possibly a few visual changes, it's only due to perspective however, to salarians their females are probably massively different from the males...

Just my two cents...

[BrutalReaper32]

Salarian Females should look like this:
http://browse.devian...k-tee-199513454
(sorry, I´m new here, so I don´t know how to add images xD)