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[Tielis]

And possibly quarians and volus.  (Update:  and batarians.)

Does anyone else find this odd?

Modifié par Tielis, 24 mai 2011 - 01:53 .

[xIxDarkWolfxIx]

Kind of, its also odd that Humans seem to be the only species with fur/hair. According to the Codex Quarians are also mammals so they could have fur.

[Hathur]

Considering the poor implementation of hair through the unreal 3.5 engine, probably for the best they kept hair for humans only

Also.. fur.. exceedingly difficult to pull off in a convincing manner.. only a few games have done it well... I also don't see the unreal engine pulling it off particularly well.. even if it were in the hands of Epic.

Modifié par Hathur, 16 mai 2011 - 03:10 .

[Antivenger]

Quarians spent 300 years in suits. Unlikely they still have hair.

Anyways, Batarians also have ears. Humans ain't the only one.

[DeadLetterBox]

Antivenger wrote...

Quarians spent 300 years in suits. Unlikely they still have hair.

Anyways, Batarians also have ears. Humans ain't the only one.

Evolution-wise, 300 years is a drop in the bucket.  Quarians could easily still have hair.  Or fur.  Seal-style super-short fur could probably be done all right in the engine.  It'd just be a regular texture, right?
And yeah, batarians do have ears, don't they?  I hadn't really paid attention.  I'm always busy trying to decide which eye to make eye contact with.

[ElitePinecone]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

I'm always busy trying to decide which eye to make eye contact with.

I just lol'd. This. 

It's not totally unsurprising that humans are the only species we've seen with ears; the reptillian, aquatic or avian-inspirde species (drell, asari and turians respectively) wouldn't have them on their earth counterparts and I don'r even know what salarians are based on. 

You're right though that quarians could have them. 

[Someone With Mass]

Should point out that some races may have entirely different ears. Might not look like human ears at all.

[samurai crusade]

Well... all species must have ears unless they read lips in all galactic languages.
Hanar that use colors and Elcor with pharamones may be your only exceptions.

The ears may not look human but they are there.

[Black Raptor]

Birds and reptiles seem to be the most common theme in aliens. Neither of which have ears that look like our own.

[wepeel_]

DeadLetterBox wrote...
 I'm always busy trying to decide which eye to make eye contact with.

This is actually mentioned in the first novel as an effect versus two-eyed species that the batarians are aware of and try to exploit in negotiations and such.


Also, physiologically, our outer ears while not essential, have the effect of helping us discern if a sound comes from above or below us. But maybe species that lack them have evolved other ways of dealing with that.

Modifié par wepeel_, 16 mai 2011 - 04:04 .

[dreman9999]

Nope....Human ears are a Korgan delicacy.

[DeadLetterBox]

wepeel_ wrote...

This is actually mentioned in the first novel as an effect versus two-eyed species that the batarians are aware of and try to exploit in negotiations and such.

I remember that, actually.  It was also mentioned that batarians think other species seem dull-witted because they have so few eyes.  I thought it was pretty interesting.  

[Obro]

Antivenger wrote...

Quarians spent 300 years in suits. Unlikely they still have hair.

Actually they shout be hairy as f*ck! Tali lovers I hope you love bushes!

Jokes aside even human hair in this game looks like plastic helmet. No wonder eveyone is a bald space marine.

[VolusNamedBob]

Actually I think Salarians have holes on the side of their head. That could be ears.

[Darkhour]

ElitePinecone wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

I'm always busy trying to decide which eye to make eye contact with.

I just lol'd. This. 

It's not totally unsurprising that humans are the only species we've seen with ears; the reptillian, aquatic or avian-inspirde species (drell, asari and turians respectively) wouldn't have them on their earth counterparts and I don'r even know what salarians are based on. 

You're right though that quarians could have them. 

Asari aren't squid people.  

[Bearcut]

Speaking of Quarian evolution, although we don't really know their life-spans, wouldn't 300 years or so be only 3-4 generations? I don't know if that would be enough to create such a severe immunodeficiency. I understand that they aren't exposed to viruses/bacteria at a young age in order to naturally produce anti bodies but what about passive immunities granted by mother to child through nursing? Of course i'm assuming that they have a symbiotic relationship with bacteria in the gut akin to Earth Mammals. And why don't they culture some random strains just to inoculate themselves? Just weird to me. But interesting nonetheless.

[DeadLetterBox]

Bearcut wrote...

Speaking of Quarian evolution, although we don't really know their life-spans, wouldn't 300 years or so be only 3-4 generations? I don't know if that would be enough to create such a severe immunodeficiency. I understand that they aren't exposed to viruses/bacteria at a young age in order to naturally produce anti bodies but what about passive immunities granted by mother to child through nursing? Of course i'm assuming that they have a symbiotic relationship with bacteria in the gut akin to Earth Mammals. And why don't they culture some random strains just to inoculate themselves? Just weird to me. But interesting nonetheless.

Tali talks about this in ME2.  She says that it has something to do with their species not having much of an immune system to start with.  Rannoch apparenly relies on its native life to spread bacteria around through a process similar to contracting diseases, so they never evolved much of one.  I don't have the video for that, though.  Maybe it's on YouTube somewhere?

[Bearcut]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Bearcut wrote...

Speaking of Quarian evolution, although we don't really know their life-spans, wouldn't 300 years or so be only 3-4 generations? I don't know if that would be enough to create such a severe immunodeficiency. I understand that they aren't exposed to viruses/bacteria at a young age in order to naturally produce anti bodies but what about passive immunities granted by mother to child through nursing? Of course i'm assuming that they have a symbiotic relationship with bacteria in the gut akin to Earth Mammals. And why don't they culture some random strains just to inoculate themselves? Just weird to me. But interesting nonetheless.

Tali talks about this in ME2.  She says that it has something to do with their species not having much of an immune system to start with.  Rannoch apparenly relies on its native life to spread bacteria around through a process similar to contracting diseases, so they never evolved much of one.  I don't have the video for that, though.  Maybe it's on YouTube somewhere?

Yeah I know the convo you're referring too. New thread? I don't want to hijack this one.

[xIxDarkWolfxIx]

Bearcut wrote...

Speaking of Quarian evolution, although we don't really know their life-spans, wouldn't 300 years or so be only 3-4 generations? I don't know if that would be enough to create such a severe immunodeficiency. I understand that they aren't exposed to viruses/bacteria at a young age in order to naturally produce anti bodies but what about passive immunities granted by mother to child through nursing? Of course i'm assuming that they have a symbiotic relationship with bacteria in the gut akin to Earth Mammals. And why don't they culture some random strains just to inoculate themselves? Just weird to me. But interesting nonetheless.

To be honest the Quarian illness/ environmental problems doesn't make much logical sence. After 3-4 generations their immune systems should still contain the necessary anti-bodies to be able to remain without suits. They have also been part of the Galactic Community for over a milenia and during most of that time they were not in suits and would have adapted new anti-bodies against alien disease. 
Even with their non-insectoid planet their immune systems should be far superior than they are presented to be in Mass Effect. In order to get to the level they are shown to be at they would require isolation for at least 10 generations.
Though I am going to contradict myself in saying that it is possible to change within a single generation. Our species in RL is currently seeing its fasted evolutionary change in history. Our evolution has increased rather than decreased in the past 5,000 years, even more so in the last 100 years. With males becoming taller and slimmer. Females spines changing to become smaller yet straighter to cope with larger and firmer breasts. As well as the development of a new hormone and the whitening of the global populations skin due to mixed societies. So by that understanding the Quarian Race could change that dramatically within 3-4 generations.

Modifié par xIxDarkWolfxIx, 16 mai 2011 - 06:29 .

[MadCat221]

Ears are roughly cone-shaped on so many animals for a reason: it captures sound waves and funnels them into the tympanic membrane.

So do all non-human sapients in the Mass Effect universe have less acute hearing than humans?

Modifié par MadCat221, 16 mai 2011 - 06:55 .

[Polis4rule]

xIxDarkWolfxIx wrote...
 According to the Codex Quarians are also mammals so they could have fur.

Where does it state this? 

[TomY90]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Quarians spent 300 years in suits. Unlikely they still have hair.

Anyways, Batarians also have ears. Humans ain't the only one.

Evolution-wise, 300 years is a drop in the bucket.  Quarians could easily still have hair.  Or fur.  Seal-style super-short fur could probably be done all right in the engine.  It'd just be a regular texture, right?
And yeah, batarians do have ears, don't they?  I hadn't really paid attention.  I'm always busy trying to decide which eye to make eye contact with.

I have an image now of Tali and Quarians being  Wookie's  

[Bearcut]

xIxDarkWolfxIx wrote...

Bearcut wrote...

Speaking of Quarian evolution, although we don't really know their life-spans, wouldn't 300 years or so be only 3-4 generations? I don't know if that would be enough to create such a severe immunodeficiency. I understand that they aren't exposed to viruses/bacteria at a young age in order to naturally produce anti bodies but what about passive immunities granted by mother to child through nursing? Of course i'm assuming that they have a symbiotic relationship with bacteria in the gut akin to Earth Mammals. And why don't they culture some random strains just to inoculate themselves? Just weird to me. But interesting nonetheless.

To be honest the Quarian illness/ environmental problems doesn't make much logical sence. After 3-4 generations their immune systems should still contain the necessary anti-bodies to be able to remain without suits. They have also been part of the Galactic Community for over a milenia and during most of that time they were not in suits and would have adapted new anti-bodies against alien disease. 
Even with their non-insectoid planet their immune systems should be far superior than they are presented to be in Mass Effect. In order to get to the level they are shown to be at they would require isolation for at least 10 generations.
Though I am going to contradict myself in saying that it is possible to change within a single generation. Our species in RL is currently seeing its fasted evolutionary change in history. Our evolution has increased rather than decreased in the past 5,000 years, even more so in the last 100 years. With males becoming taller and slimmer. Females spines changing to become smaller yet straighter to cope with larger and firmer breasts. As well as the development of a new hormone and the whitening of the global populations skin due to mixed societies. So by that understanding the Quarian Race could change that dramatically within 3-4 generations.

I started a new thread and your comment is well written and thought out... mind shunting it over?

[MadCat221]

Polis4rule wrote...

xIxDarkWolfxIx wrote...
 According to the Codex Quarians are also mammals so they could have fur.

Where does it state this? 

Look at Tali, or any other quarian woman.

Now, look at them a bit below the shoulder line, on the front of their torso.

That's where it's stated.

Modifié par MadCat221, 16 mai 2011 - 06:56 .