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[RunicDragons]

Every alien races have ears... They just aren't as visible as the human ears.

[SilentNukee]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'd like to get rid of the pinkytoes as well, but that is a different topic.

Babies being born today have reduced size of pinkytoes. Apparently, they will dissapear completely at one point. So we'll be 4-toed humans. O.o We'll also lose all wisdom teeth growing (My mom never had any, and I didn't either.)...
Ah, evolution.

[reno8888]

SilentNukee wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'd like to get rid of the pinkytoes as well, but that is a different topic.

Babies being born today have reduced size of pinkytoes. Apparently, they will dissapear completely at one point. So we'll be 4-toed humans. O.o We'll also lose all wisdom teeth growing (My mom never had any, and I didn't either.)...
Ah, evolution.

Aaand that's what we call a myth.  This guy puts it rather well.  http://en.allexperts...oe-adaptive.htm

[Weiser_Cain]

I think we're stuck with the superficial form we have now. We basically control our evolution at this point, if you are born without ears you'll probably get surgery or prosthetic replacements and hope your kids don't have to go through what you did. There are some weird mutations in pockets but they aren't spreading to the rest of the human population as they are generally seen as unwanted or disabling.

[Lotto]

Why does everybody want us to become freaks? Lay off the sci-fi.

[SilentNukee]

reno8888 wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'd like to get rid of the pinkytoes as well, but that is a different topic.

Babies being born today have reduced size of pinkytoes. Apparently, they will dissapear completely at one point. So we'll be 4-toed humans. O.o We'll also lose all wisdom teeth growing (My mom never had any, and I didn't either.)...
Ah, evolution.

Aaand that's what we call a myth.  This guy puts it rather well.  http://en.allexperts...oe-adaptive.htm

In the far distant future, if humans still exist. Not anytime soon, evolution takes a very long time. Don't be calling my bio prof a liar, brah! And it's fact that babies' pinkytoes are smaller than they used to be. (Doesn't mean they were big in the past.)
To be honest I don't think we'll make it past year 2200 if humanity stays the way it is now.

[Weiser_Cain]

Lotto wrote...

Why does everybody want us to become freaks? Lay off the sci-fi.

Ha, you do know you're in the official forum for a sci-fi game right?

[reno8888]

SilentNukee wrote...

reno8888 wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'd like to get rid of the pinkytoes as well, but that is a different topic.

Babies being born today have reduced size of pinkytoes. Apparently, they will dissapear completely at one point. So we'll be 4-toed humans. O.o We'll also lose all wisdom teeth growing (My mom never had any, and I didn't either.)...
Ah, evolution.

Aaand that's what we call a myth.  This guy puts it rather well.  http://en.allexperts...oe-adaptive.htm

In the far distant future, if humans still exist. Not anytime soon, evolution takes a very long time. Don't be calling my bio prof a liar, brah! And it's fact that babies' pinkytoes are smaller than they used to be. (Doesn't mean they were big in the past.)
To be honest I don't think we'll make it past year 2200 if humanity stays the way it is now.

You're misinformed.  You're bio prof is a ******, as was my high school biology teacher, and half the sociology department at my university for that matter. It is not a fact that babies' pinkytoes are smaller than they used to be as you claim.  It doesn't make any sense at all from a scientific standpoint, so I'd be very interested to have you explain it to me.  A quote from the post I linked that sums this up: "If a genetically-programmed trait is neither advantageous nor maladaptive, i.e., if it is "neutral" it will not disappear.  A basic principle of evolution is that when you relax selection, you get increased variability.  So, for example, visual acuity".  People don't get killed off for having large pinky toes thus there's no way you can justify them randomly receding "just cause we don't use them". 

Modifié par reno8888, 16 mai 2011 - 11:57 .

[reno8888]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Lotto wrote...

Why does everybody want us to become freaks? Lay off the sci-fi.

Ha, you do know you're in the official forum for a sci-fi game right?

Yeeeah there's like a 30 page thread on the sc2 forums of some guy
claiming people will be brains hooked up to computers in 50 years. 
People seem to have absurdly romaticized views of the future on scifi
forums, not that that's suprising or bad for that matter, but sometimes you should separate the sci from the fi.

[Antivenger]

RunicDragons wrote...

Every alien races have ears... They just aren't as visible as the human ears.

That's pretty obvious, since we can plainly see Asari have holes where their fringes begin. Pretty sure OP's talking about visible pinnae.

I think Yahg could also have externally visible ears. They've got these things that look like gills (frills?) (fins?) between the face and neck. They've got a very unusual anatomy, compared to the other bipedal races.

Modifié par Antivenger, 17 mai 2011 - 12:39 .

[Weiser_Cain]

reno8888 wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Lotto wrote...

Why does everybody want us to become freaks? Lay off the sci-fi.

Ha, you do know you're in the official forum for a sci-fi game right?

Yeeeah there's like a 30 page thread on the sc2 forums of some guy
claiming people will be brains hooked up to computers in 50 years. 
People seem to have absurdly romaticized views of the future on scifi
forums, not that that's suprising or bad for that matter, but sometimes you should separate the sci from the fi.

And if we all become cyborgs, how will that be much different from the prediction? Much as I love my beige box, I am under no illusion that it's the end all and be all of computing's future. Now, a lot of future prediction never happen but a lot do. I personally remember when video-phones were science fiction. Now I can talk to anyone in the world (though I choose not to) with a computer or a cell phone. Which itself use to be science fiction.
It's an easy guess to think people will merge with their tech convergence is a big thing, though the specifics may not work out the way we think it will. It could be that bio-science will make mechanical parts unnecessary and only a sub culture will be walking around with metal under their skin.
Either way, I don't see what harm it does to dream of a better future.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Tielis wrote...

And possibly quarians and volus.

Does anyone else find this odd?

Not really. Especially with turians, they're basically lizard-men, so they wouldn't have ears in the first place.

But we're talking aliens, here. They're not supposed to look like us. It's already weird enough that half of them do.

[TheJiveDJ]

WHOA, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa....whoa...WHOA.....as an audio engineer and as a person who had to study the human ear extensively to get his credentials, I take issue with people saying our outer ears are useless! LoL....without the outer ear, human hearing would be severely hampered as would my ability to create and mix music (mixing especially).

Here's the thing about frequencies...the higher they are, the more directional/focused they become. Without the outer ear we WOULD still be able to hear the low, to low mids fairly well because low frequencies tend to move through & around objects (this includes going through our skull and straight to the ear drum).

We've evolved the outer ear to help up "catch" mid to high frequencies easier so that we literally do not have to turn our ears directly to the sound source to hear them properly. This however, would only be most problematic for very high frequncies (above 10k). So it ain't like we wouldn't be able to hear mid to high frequencies, it's just that they would sound much more dampened. Anything above 10k would be nigh impossible to hear without our outer ear unless we turned our ears directly to the sound source.

So not only does the outer ear improve our ability to hear in 2 dimensions, but it also improves our frequency response in the most essential range where human speech resides (around 2k to 5k). Coincedence? I think not.  Darwin wins again.  I'll keep my outer ears, thanks

FURTHER READING: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_ear

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 17 mai 2011 - 12:59 .

[Lotto]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Lotto wrote...

Why does everybody want us to become freaks? Lay off the sci-fi.

Ha, you do know you're in the official forum for a sci-fi game right?

And that doesn't change anything I said. 

[reno8888]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

reno8888 wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Lotto wrote...

Why does everybody want us to become freaks? Lay off the sci-fi.

Ha, you do know you're in the official forum for a sci-fi game right?

Yeeeah there's like a 30 page thread on the sc2 forums of some guy
claiming people will be brains hooked up to computers in 50 years. 
People seem to have absurdly romaticized views of the future on scifi
forums, not that that's suprising or bad for that matter, but sometimes you should separate the sci from the fi.

And if we all become cyborgs, how will that be much different from the prediction? Much as I love my beige box, I am under no illusion that it's the end all and be all of computing's future. Now, a lot of future prediction never happen but a lot do. I personally remember when video-phones were science fiction. Now I can talk to anyone in the world (though I choose not to) with a computer or a cell phone. Which itself use to be science fiction.
It's an easy guess to think people will merge with their tech convergence is a big thing, though the specifics may not work out the way we think it will. It could be that bio-science will make mechanical parts unnecessary and only a sub culture will be walking around with metal under their skin.
Either way, I don't see what harm it does to dream of a better future.

The key in that example was "50 years", but lets not get in to that discussion.   And I never said it was harmful to dream of the future, I just said some people have pretty silly ideas.

[Weiser_Cain]

Lotto wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Lotto wrote...

Why does everybody want us to become freaks? Lay off the sci-fi.

Ha, you do know you're in the official forum for a sci-fi game right?

And that doesn't change anything I said. 

Do you go to Vampire forums and complain about all the damn vampires?

'Why are all these kids dressin' like vampires!'

reno8888 wrote...

The key in that example was "50 years",
but lets not get in to that discussion.   And I never said it was
harmful to dream of the future, I just said some people have pretty
silly ideas.

I'm missing your point.

[Antivenger]

^^ What about Twilight?

Derrrrrrrrp.

[reno8888]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

reno8888 wrote...

The key in that example was "50 years",
but lets not get in to that discussion.   And I never said it was
harmful to dream of the future, I just said some people have pretty
silly ideas.

I'm missing your point.

K I'll spell it out.  The point is chris said something dumb and I'm trolling him.

[Weiser_Cain]

reno8888 wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

reno8888 wrote...

The key in that example was "50 years",
but lets not get in to that discussion.   And I never said it was
harmful to dream of the future, I just said some people have pretty
silly ideas.

I'm missing your point.

K I'll spell it out.  The point is chris said something dumb and I'm trolling him.

What was it, because I hope it wasn't that you think you know what the world is going to be like in 50 years?

[Panther_536]

Didn't Tali say early on in ME2 that the problem was more like an acute allergic reaction? Perhaps they have the equivalent of a cytokine storm. Anyway, that doesn't rule out Quarians having ears.

Asari and Batarians also have ear-like structures.

Modifié par Panther_536, 17 mai 2011 - 01:37 .

[Sebby]

The Vorcha might have ears if that's what those three holes on their head are.

[TheKillerAngel]

The krogans definitely have ears, but reptile ears look a lot different.

[MadCat221]

Black Raptor wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Lotto wrote...

I'll bet everything I own that we won't evolve any further than we already have.

Then you will lose everything you own.

Evolution, by nature, ends with extinction.  A species either ceases to exist because it evolved into a new one better suited to its environment, or it ceases to exist because it went extinct.

And species evolve because they are subject to natural selection. It's been a good few years since a human's survival counted purely on his or her genes.

Survival in first world countries is practically guaranteed for any child. Conditions that would've been fatal, now aren't and these conditions can survive through generations because modern medicine is so advanced. Therefore, they cannot be removed from the gene pool by evolution. 

Human intelligence means we can adapt far faster than any other animal. We survived the last Ice age because we could make fur coats to keep warm. We survive now (unlike woolly mammoths for example) because we could adapt our clothing to stay cool. Our brains enable us to survive in places no other animals can even reach. 
We don't need to evolve anymore. Any big changes to the human genome in the future will be by design. 

That is... a rather haughty assumption.

We are life-forms.  We are evolving.  "By design" would occur on on individual basis, far too insignificant in the scheme of the entire genepool of humanity.

And all it takes is one gigantic cataclysm, the magnitude of which I don't want to think about to ensure I get a good night's sleep, to wipe out all our technological achievements and return us to a baser state.

Did you know that sperm production in men has been gradually decreasing over time?  It has been postulated that it's because there's far less competition over females.  Creating our little soldiers takes nutrient resources.  You know how comically large the testicles are on some other animal species, proportionally speaking?  Those are taking up a surprising amount of nutrients and whatnot out of them in an attempt to out-produce their competitors.  But since humanity has instutitionalized the mating game, there's far less need to produce mass quantities of sperm, since once you're "married", you (presumably) don't need to zerg rush against a rival male.

Evolution.  Caused by the very institutions you claimed put us over it.

[MGIII]

I find it absolutely mind blowing I had not noticed asari didn't have ears before now.

[Lukertin]

MadCat221 wrote...
But since humanity has instutitionalized the mating game, there's far less need to produce mass quantities of sperm, since once you're "married", you (presumably) don't need to zerg rush against a rival male.

Evolution.  Caused by the very institutions you claimed put us over it.

Nah. The more likely explanation is that the evolution of penis structure allows for less sperm production to ensure reproductive success. The glans is structurally designed to remove previously deposited semen from the female, which would lead to better odds of fertilization by the last guy to have a go, rather than who can produce most sperm. Marriage institutions don't exactly have much to do with it.

Modifié par Lukertin, 17 mai 2011 - 08:32 .