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[JBONE27]

Darkhour wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

I'm always busy trying to decide which eye to make eye contact with.

I just lol'd. This. 

It's not totally unsurprising that humans are the only species we've seen with ears; the reptillian, aquatic or avian-inspirde species (drell, asari and turians respectively) wouldn't have them on their earth counterparts and I don'r even know what salarians are based on. 

You're right though that quarians could have them. 

Asari aren't squid people.  

In the creating the races video, the guy who designed the asari said that they had an aquatic look to them.  Also krogan faces are based off bat faces.

[JBONE27]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Personally (so not the opinion of the Devs who are much smarter about this sort of thing than me), I think ears are likely something that we will end up evolving out of eventually.

They are, for lack of a better term, silly in humans. We can't move our ears to focus on sound better (like a cat) that aren't really large enough to be a huge amplifier (like rabbits). They are not covered by external membranes to prevent infection or foreign bodies from entering the ear canal. They hang on the sides of our heads, are used for decoration and get harmed in fights.

I'm hoping that someday, we will grow out of them. I view that krogan, turian, etc species have already done this.

I'd like to get rid of the pinkytoes as well, but that is a different topic.

 You can't move your ears?  Also turians are avian... birds never had external ears... dinosaurs might have considering ears don't have bones.

[JBONE27]

reno8888 wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'd like to get rid of the pinkytoes as well, but that is a different topic.

Babies being born today have reduced size of pinkytoes. Apparently, they will dissapear completely at one point. So we'll be 4-toed humans. O.o We'll also lose all wisdom teeth growing (My mom never had any, and I didn't either.)...
Ah, evolution.

Aaand that's what we call a myth.  This guy puts it rather well.  http://en.allexperts...oe-adaptive.htm

I've never seen people without pinky toes... if it looks more attractive than feet with pinky toes, and there is some benefit that people with foot fetishes have, then it will be lost.  As for wisdom teeth... I don't know, they are mildly detremental, so maybe when gene therapy becomes usable and common place, wisdom teeth could be bread out.

[Lukertin]

Ears are designed for animals who live on land, so they can hear predators or prey and be able to distinguish the direction the sound is coming from.

Species like birds don't really have visible ears because they rely primarily on vision to hunt and escape danger. Bird calls signifying danger is also a simple response (fly up and away), so direction is less important than say, a deer crying out in alarm, which tells its friends the general direction of where a wolf might be. (Sort of explains Turians). Animals that live in the sea have little use for ears, since the ability to detect changes in water pressure is a much better indication of prey/predator movement than sound could ever be (Asari?).

Idk what is up with salarians or krogan though

[JBONE27]

Lukertin wrote...

Ears are designed for animals who live on land, so they can hear predators or prey and be able to distinguish the direction the sound is coming from.

Species like birds don't really have visible ears because they rely primarily on vision to hunt and escape danger. Bird calls signifying danger is also a simple response (fly up and away), so direction is less important than say, a deer crying out in alarm, which tells its friends the general direction of where a wolf might be. (Sort of explains Turians). Animals that live in the sea have little use for ears, since the ability to detect changes in water pressure is a much better indication of prey/predator movement than sound could ever be (Asari?).

Idk what is up with salarians or krogan though

Salarians are amphibians... krogan... yeah, I have no idea.

[The Stabilo Boss]

Lotto wrote...

I'll bet everything I own that we won't evolve any further than we already have.

http://www.scienceda...50909221043.htm
http://www.time.com/...1931757,00.html

I'll be round to pick up all your stuff tomorrow 

In all seriousness, we won't ever stop evolving. Evolution doesn't have to be as visibly obvious as us losing our ears.

[MadCat221]

JBONE27 wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

Ears are designed for animals who live on land, so they can hear predators or prey and be able to distinguish the direction the sound is coming from.

Species like birds don't really have visible ears because they rely primarily on vision to hunt and escape danger. Bird calls signifying danger is also a simple response (fly up and away), so direction is less important than say, a deer crying out in alarm, which tells its friends the general direction of where a wolf might be. (Sort of explains Turians). Animals that live in the sea have little use for ears, since the ability to detect changes in water pressure is a much better indication of prey/predator movement than sound could ever be (Asari?).

Idk what is up with salarians or krogan though

Salarians are amphibians... krogan... yeah, I have no idea.

Land sharks.

The Stabilo Boss wrote...

In all seriousness, we won't ever stop evolving. Evolution doesn't have to be as visibly obvious as us losing our ears.

Like I said earlier.... The only end of evolution is extinction.

Modifié par MadCat221, 22 mai 2011 - 07:44 .

[Tielis]

Well, this has been a very entertaining thread!

We went from ears to pinky toes to the male glans!

And I had not noticed that batarians have ears, thanks for that update.

I also think Chris is full of horsepucky.

[patocerda]

SilentNukee wrote...
...to be honest I don't think we'll make it past year 2200 if humanity stays the way it is now.

Seconded. As sad as it sounds, so live your lifes accordingly! :happy:

@TheJiveDJ: Actually, you are right, I forgot the little detail. I propose, for the future, bigger ears for musicians! 

Modifié par patocerda, 28 mai 2011 - 05:29 .

[CSunkyst]

I'm annoyed enough as it is that 90% of all alien races are bipedal creatures with two arms, two legs, about 5 to 6 feet tall in height, one mouth and one nose, two eyes (except for the Batarians in which case it's four), and all have a head which is set upon a neck, and in the case of the Asari, facial features that look EXACTLY like a humans. Do they really need ears too????

When I first started playing ME1 and I saw an Elcore and a Keeper I thought "FINALLY!!!! A science fiction universe that has aliens that actually look alien!!!" Then the Quarians, Asari, Batarians, and the Drell all rained on my parade. It's a video game, there's no need for actors or make-up, aliens can look like just about anything, can't we move away from cheesey looking Star Trek TNG style humanoid "forehead bump" aliens?

And yes, when I first saw a Keeper I thought it was a sentient race, which is exactly why Ashley's "Can't tell the aliens from the animals" comment isn't racist.

Modifié par CSunkyst, 28 mai 2011 - 06:19 .

[TheIdiocyWizard]

CSunkyst wrote...


When I first started playing ME1 and I saw an Elcore and a Keeper I thought "FINALLY!!!! A science fiction universe that has aliens that actually look alien!!!" Then the Quarians, Asari, Batarians, and the Drell all rained on my parade. It's a video game, there's no need for actors or make-up, aliens can look like just about anything, can't we move away from cheesey looking Star Trek TNG style humanoid "forehead bump" aliens?
 

Almost all the races that are bipedal had to be designed that way so they could succesfully animate them in combat situations (I'm refering to one of the videos on GI's site but I don't remember which one) and so they needed to to create them with most of the main body parts alligned with a human's, which is also why the only major differences are in the neck and back area.
It would have been nice for more diversity, but that would have limited which species could be seen in combat.

Modifié par TheIdiocyWizard, 28 mai 2011 - 06:32 .

[Waltzingbear]

CSunkyst wrote...

It's a video game, there's no need for actors or make-up, aliens can look like just about anything, can't we move away from cheesey looking Star Trek TNG style humanoid "forehead bump" aliens?

Actually there is. Well, sort of. As hard as it is to admit, most of the animation is done by motion-capturing which requires a human actor, and creating a race with an inhuman skeleton would be too resource damanding or unconvincing.

As for the Asari. The entire point was to make them appealing and attractive, which is why they have a human facial structure and body.

[AngelicMachinery]

patocerda wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...
...to be honest I don't think we'll make it past year 2200 if humanity stays the way it is now.

Seconded. As sad as it sounds, so live your lifes accordingly! :happy:

@TheJiveDJ: Actually, you are right, I forgot the little detail. I propose, for the future, bigger ears for musicians! 

Don't worry, as natural evolution slows humanity will use technology to further themselves. We might even become sentient world devouring starships if we put our minds to it.  *Fingers crossed*

[sy7ar]

dont worry guys, we will be playing mass effect 50 in "the matrix", forget about natural evolution

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Personally (so not the opinion of the Devs who are much smarter about this sort of thing than me), I think ears are likely something that we will end up evolving out of eventually.

They are, for lack of a better term, silly in humans. We can't move our ears to focus on sound better (like a cat) that aren't really large enough to be a huge amplifier (like rabbits). They are not covered by external membranes to prevent infection or foreign bodies from entering the ear canal. They hang on the sides of our heads, are used for decoration and get harmed in fights.

I'm hoping that someday, we will grow out of them. I view that krogan, turian, etc species have already done this.

I'd like to get rid of the pinkytoes as well, but that is a different topic.

But the pinky toe serves an essential function in aiding the big toe in keeping balance!

[Nashiktal]

All evolution entails is what functions in a given environment and what does not. That function does not even have to function "well" or "perfectly" it just has to function.

[BlackwaterUp]

On the whole, pinky toe/human ear topic, all I have to say is that I agree that most of what we have on our body are essentially needed.

....except for the end of the spine and the vestigial points at the base of the shoulder blades, if I can't have wings and a tail then don't sit here and tempt me with the lost opportunity!!!

[GenericPlayer2]

The other thing I found odd was only humans and asari (and possibly batarians) had five fingers, and everyone else had 3 fingers/hand. Even the geth.

[GenericPlayer2]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Bearcut wrote...

Speaking of Quarian evolution, although we don't really know their life-spans, wouldn't 300 years or so be only 3-4 generations? I don't know if that would be enough to create such a severe immunodeficiency. I understand that they aren't exposed to viruses/bacteria at a young age in order to naturally produce anti bodies but what about passive immunities granted by mother to child through nursing? Of course i'm assuming that they have a symbiotic relationship with bacteria in the gut akin to Earth Mammals. And why don't they culture some random strains just to inoculate themselves? Just weird to me. But interesting nonetheless.

Tali talks about this in ME2.  She says that it has something to do with their species not having much of an immune system to start with.  Rannoch apparenly relies on its native life to spread bacteria around through a process similar to contracting diseases, so they never evolved much of one.  I don't have the video for that, though.  Maybe it's on YouTube somewhere?

What I read in the cidex about a year ago said something like Rannoch had no insects, so the way life evolved there is completely different from any other planet.

[patocerda]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

patocerda wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...
...to be honest I don't think we'll make it past year 2200 if humanity stays the way it is now.

Seconded. As sad as it sounds, so live your lifes accordingly! :happy:

@TheJiveDJ: Actually, you are right, I forgot the little detail. I propose, for the future, bigger ears for musicians! 

Don't worry, as natural evolution slows humanity will use technology to further themselves. We might even become sentient world devouring starships if we put our minds to it.  *Fingers crossed*

If only...
Still, when you see all the care-less, short-minded people out there just destroying OUR world for temporal money...and all the wars...well, if it stays that way, I can't seem to think of a bright future for us:(.

Unless, obvioulsy, NASA actually starts scanning Cydonia to find them Prothean ruins! 

[MonkeyKaboom]

wepeel_ wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Personally (so not the opinion of the Devs who are much smarter about this sort of thing than me), I think ears are likely something that we will end up evolving out of eventually.

They are, for lack of a better term, silly in humans. We can't move our ears to focus on sound better (like a cat) that aren't really large enough to be a huge amplifier (like rabbits). They are not covered by external membranes to prevent infection or foreign bodies from entering the ear canal. They hang on the sides of our heads, are used for decoration and get harmed in fights.

I'm hoping that someday, we will grow out of them. I view that krogan, turian, etc species have already done this.

I'd like to get rid of the pinkytoes as well, but that is a different topic.

It is very unlikely as the outer ear has functions even though it may not seem like it. For one thing it amplifies sound in the frequencies that are commonly used by us when speaking, and also helps us decide if sounds come from above us or below us. Without it our hearing would be impaired, especially in the 3kHz range.

Additionally, earwax actually is antibiotic. 

[Heebejeebes]

Also Hanar can fly! Just thought i'd point that out. Hanar must have built in mass effect cores. If a race can fly ears are entirely optional!!

[MrGone]

Actually, you want to talk about a bio engineered evolution that will probably happen to humanity once we get to space travel? Hair!

Specifically turning our hair into a useful part of our process by making it like the leaves of plant life and being able to absorb sunlight and convert it directly to energy usable by a person via chlorophyll. In deep space colonization efforts, supply lines and food shortages are entirely possible, and I assume we wouldn't attempt colonization without a source of water, but we wouldn't be able to necessarily guarantee food.

A solution: chlorophyll spliced in the hair, allowing people to live longer without eating normally as long as there's a star around. IT would also most likely result in the hair changing color throughout the year (like leaves on a tree) and you might get winter baldness possibly but other than that it's such a highly advantageous trait for future spacers that it would easily bleed into humanity as a whole withing a few dozen generations. Plus, having green hair would probably be considered "exotic" for a few generations and prove to be highly desirable. "Chloranists" would get the pick of the litter in these early generations, thus helping to ensure increased survival rates of their offspring.

As for ears. I'd say we have a greater chance of developing more complex ears, not evolving them away.

[Tielis]

BlackwaterUp wrote...

On the whole, pinky toe/human ear topic, all I have to say is that I agree that most of what we have on our body are essentially needed.

....except for the end of the spine and the vestigial points at the base of the shoulder blades, if I can't have wings and a tail then don't sit here and tempt me with the lost opportunity!!!

Heheh, I think I'd rather have a prehensile tail like Nightcrawler's.    Or Annah's.  It did look kind of weird being skin-colored, though.  Darker-skinned people could probably pull it off better, just in a purely aesthetic way.

I broke my tailbone when I was a kid.  Now *that* was a world of pain.

Modifié par Tielis, 30 mai 2011 - 07:54 .