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[Devos]

Approve or Not approve doesn't really describe my opinion. Some what nonplussed I think comes closest. Male-Shep at least has never shown any interest in the guys. Seems odd he would start in third game. Then again Fem-shep shows no interest in the ladies until Liara jumps her (trying to get her to take no for an answer after accidental hitting a top left answer when skipping her conversations gave me a whole new perspective on Liara). But that's an issue I think with the game being primarily written for a male-Shep.

But meh, as long as friend zone conversation options don't suffer too much it doesn't bother me.

[xSTONEYx187x]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

Apparently, there will be no new LIs in the game

That is old info I am afraid, Casey Hudson has twitted saying that there will now be "new" LI's.  As to the topic in hand, I don't have a problem with same sex romances in the game.  The only slight concern I have is that Bioware may confuse close friendship with romance.  I have a male shep that is great buddies with Garrus, they have a close friendship but it is just that a friendship and nothing more.  I want to be able to continue this close friendship with Garrus without it ending up all erm squidgy if you know what I mean.

This, again. 

I don't wanna confuse my brosephs. 

[Pani Mauser]

I do approve.

Actually, I personally would prefer 'Everyone is Shepard-sexual' route. People have different tastes, so one option may not be liked by everyone. For example, I don't like Liara all that much. She is cute and stuff, but not anywhere near Jack or Ashley in my eyes. And the only way to get girls I really like was by playing manShep, which I didn't enjoy at all, and I kept imagining femShep in his place.

Also, I don't see how it is character-breaking. For example, Liara is all over you the second she meet you despite your gender, but Tali and Garrus romances took more time. Was it character breaking when in the second game Tali said that she loved your Shepard since ME1 but was afraid to show her feelings or when Tali starts to flirt with femShep and stops because she is way too embarrassed about it? Was it character breaking when Garrus said that he never liked humans in sexual way, but still wants to try relationships with Shepard because she is the closest person in the whole Galaxy to him, so her race does not matter anymore?

Is that too much of a stretch that over some time they could develop feelings towards same sex Shepard too? The same goes for other LIs. They easily fall for opposite gender Shepard, but it just takes more time for same-sex romance.

It seems realistic to me. It everyone was bisexual from the start, it would be indeed strange, but if same-sex attraction developed over long span of time and this attraction was based on personality traits instead of configuration of Shepard’s private parts, why not? When you realize for the first time that you are attracted not only to opposite gender, but to someone of the same gender as well, it takes time to come at peace with your own feelings and even more time to find courage to go for it.

[AlanC9]

iRipper wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

iRipper wrote...

If gay or lesbian romance is forced upon me or I have to thread every convo super carefully to avoid it, then really no.

Forced upon you? You're serious?

Play DAII and then come back and talk to me. 

I'm against even straight romances if they are forced, like FemShep and Jacob. Or FemShep and Kaidan. Or MaleShep and Ashley. You have to be an ass to cut them off. 

So when you say "forced" you don't actually mean"forced". You mean that you don't like the way your character lets down people he isn't interested in. 

[Ahglock]

Xilizhra wrote...

'Twas ridiculous for them to not be included from the beginning. I congratulate ME for finally catching up with DA.

I am not sure I'd call it ridiculous, just not of the style many want.  Lots of RPGs define the protagonist in a wide variety of ways.  Sexuality some times is just one of them.  Hell a lot of RPGs don't give you a choice on who you romance, or if you romance them.  Now personally I would have preferred if sexuality was a background choice just like being a spacer was and that set up or determined the potential romances in a play through.  

[Ryzaki]

iRipper wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

iRipper wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

iRipper wrote...

If gay or lesbian romance is forced upon me or I have to thread every convo super carefully to avoid it, then really no.

Forced upon you? You're serious?

Play DAII and then come back and talk to me. 

I'm against even straight romances if they are forced, like FemShep and Jacob. Or FemShep and Kaidan. Or MaleShep and Ashley. You have to be an ass to cut them off. 

So when you say "forced" you don't actually mean"forced". You mean that you don't like the way your character lets down people he isn't interested in. 

No I mean, if you don't hit on them, they have little to NOTHING more to say. "You don't want me to drag me to bed?"Oh well, I'll be calibrating then. It sucks that there's no friendly relationship and character advancement if you don't want to bed them. 

*stares*

Youand I clearly didn't play the same DA2.  

What you said is true for ME series. Not the DA series. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 08:39 .

[bald man in a boat]

It's like the radar: not a feature I will use but one that I approve of.

[Ryzaki]

iRipper wrote...
I meant ME and ME2. DAII has those little <3 icons. But this says it all imageshack.us/f/842/cad20110314c6e0as.png/

And you obvioulsy didn't play the game if you think that's true. 

You're not forced to romance him. There's a heartbreak option and you get a few rivalry points that are easily madeup later. 

Oh noes. 

[AlanC9]

Ryzaki wrote...

iRipper wrote...


No I mean, if you don't hit on them, they have little to NOTHING more to say. "You don't want me to drag me to bed?"Oh well, I'll be calibrating then. It sucks that there's no friendly relationship and character advancement if you don't want to bed them. 

*stares*

Youand I clearly didn't play the same DA2.  

What you said is true for ME series. Not the DA series. 

And even to the extent it's true for ME this isn't a problem with the romance interactions, it's a problem with the non-romance interactions. Restricting sexual orientations of the companions won't help that.

[AlanC9]

iRipper wrote...
I meant ME and ME2. DAII has those little <3 icons. But this says it all imageshack.us/f/842/cad20110314c6e0as.png/

Funny -- I thought the point of that cartoon was that the player was an idiot. He can't take a couple of rivalry points, so...

[Manic Sheep]

Why not? If they are worried about people feeling uncomfortable just make it player initiated, the character dose not hit on you in till you hit on them and the option that dose this is very obvious.

Or have them hit on you once, you say you’re not interested and then they don’t do it again. I don’t know why being hit on by the same sex is so scary to some people. You can say no to someone of the same sex as easily as you can say no to someone of the opposite sex. It’s not a big deal.

[SalsaDMA]

Ahglock wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

'Twas ridiculous for them to not be included from the beginning. I congratulate ME for finally catching up with DA.

I am not sure I'd call it ridiculous, just not of the style many want.  Lots of RPGs define the protagonist in a wide variety of ways.  Sexuality some times is just one of them.  Hell a lot of RPGs don't give you a choice on who you romance, or if you romance them.  Now personally I would have preferred if sexuality was a background choice just like being a spacer was and that set up or determined the potential romances in a play through.  

That would certainly have been the best choice, imo.

It is, presumably, part of the background of the character.

[thatguy212]

Ryzaki wrote...

iRipper wrote...
I meant ME and ME2. DAII has those little <3 icons. But this says it all imageshack.us/f/842/cad20110314c6e0as.png/

And you obvioulsy didn't play the game if you think that's true. 

You're not forced to romance him. There's a heartbreak option and you get a few rivalry points that are easily madeup later. 

Oh noes. 

and if you take the heartbreak at the very beginning of the conversation you don't get any rival points

[Ryzaki]

Look like completely approve is the largest piece of the pie.

I'm a bit surprised.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

What's the difference between option 3 and option 4?

[AK404]

I just hope it's implemented tastefully.

And platonic relationships. Those would also be nice.

[Pani Mauser]

iRipper wrote...

The problem is, that for example, I want to be all caring and supporting and understanding. So I pick the top option. It looks fine, it doesn't implicate a romance in most cases. And then f***! Kaidan is big on me? And even if I ****block him it still counts as a romance in ME2? WTF? Same with Ash. So you have to load a much earlier save, from the first convo and be an ass, so they would ****** off. Or don't talk to them, which ruins the point of roleplaying and interaction. 

Actually, even if you choose neutral options, you still get the romance in ME1. I remember I said 'NO' to Liara, then talked to her again after some other mission, and BAM, she thinks you've changed your mind about her.

Good thing, it was fixed in ME2. There were clear indications for romance options ('I want you', 'I'm interested', 'I'm admiring it now', etc seem pretty obvious romance dialogs to me), and even if you accidentaly hit that dialog option, you could break up with no bad feelings in the next conversation. They all ask if you are sure about this, and only if you confirm it, then you have a romance. Really easy to avoid if you don't want it. Hope they keep it the same in ME3.

[Nashiktal]

I am in full support of having the S/S option as long as they don't do what they did in ME2 and cut out all their content if I don't romance them.

Sorry Jack, I like you as a friend but since you don't want to talk unless I romance you...

[Ashira Shepard]

I'll just leave this here...