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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

My point about the chainsaw is that having sex with a chainsaw is and being killed is still very different from having sex with a person and getting an STD and dying. Considering that I imagine that statistically more people contract STDs than suffer injuries from having sex with chainsaws, I'd say that it's a flawed comparison.

Not only that, but so is comparing it to having sex with an animal. Having sex with somebody who is HIV positive for example, is also possible but it's also dangerous even with precautions. That would be more like what Tali did. It's nothing like having sex with a horse.

 

Having sex wtih someone with an STD doesn't always mean you'll get it. I just has a very high risk attached to it. 

And the STD comparison wasn't directly with the chainsaws. *rubs temples* 

Isaid having sex like a horse because it's sleeping with something outside the species. Something very few people do. 

What Tali did in my mind was comparable to a human sleeping with a animal that could kill them. But they took "precautions" so apparently it doesn't matter. 

Well again I suppose it comes down to how you look at quarians. I don't think they are that different from humans. Asari are outside our species too, do you think the Liara romance is also like having sex with an animal?

[WizenSlinky0]

Ryzaki wrote...
This is true. 

I just felt like it was shoved down my throat when she refused to keep talking to me because my Shep said he wasn't interested in her that way. Ra forbid. 
 

Yeah this has been an ongoing struggle with Bioware to try to perfect their implementation of romance.

They seem to be trying to include more friend dialogue so they may have taken another step in the right direction.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 16 mai 2011 - 11:47 .

[Ryzaki]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Well again I suppose it comes down to how you look at quarians. I don't think they are that different from humans. Asari are outside our species too, do you think the Liara romance is also like having sex with an animal?

I see Asari as a fanservice race so not really. She also has the benefit of actually having human features save a tentacle head and blue skin. 

Another benefit is that she can actually breed with Shepard and it's encouraged in her species. So her being attracted to humans is common. 

There's also the fact that having sex with her isn't potentially fatal. 

I see quarians as weird chickens, whiners who built awesome robots and are absolutely ridculous with their bubble suits and nonexistant immune systems. And don't do much other than serve as the butt of the rest of the galaxies' fanatic discrimination. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 11:54 .

[Ryzaki]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Yeah this has been an ongoing struggle with Bioware to try to perfect their implementation of romance.

They seem to be trying to include more friend dialogue so they may have taken another step in the right direction.

I'd go without romances if it meant I got some decent friendship dialogue. 

Yeah that tweet made me happy. 

[AngelicMachinery]

iRipper wrote...

This whole "let's make everyone bi or gay" is going way too far. And let's face it - people want romances just cuz of sex. Nothing more. Not for love or the evolution of love. All this for maybe 1% of population. This trend will go nowhere good.

Lets see, you are jumping to the assumption that everyone will be gay.  I doubt this,  I  suspect it will be something closer to DAO. Where there will be one or perhaps two characters per gender that would enter homosexual relationships.  Also,  I don't think anyone is in it "For teh secks."  The sex scenes if anything are strange, strange things... and this only got more awkward in ME2.  I'm sure some people could find it titilating,  but,  if  one wants erotica there are better places than Mass Effect to find it. 

You don't particularly seem to be up in arms about romances in general though,  simply homosexual ones which really doesn't help your argument.  Unless of course, you are suggesting homosexual/bisexuals are only in it for fornication while the pure an innocent heteros only want to feel the sweet embrace of love.  Which is of course bat**** insane.

[Murmillos]

My perspective, squad members in ME2 couldn't really be used as s/s. As it would change them too much - except for Jack (for female s/s), as she seemed to have alluded to having a very open relationships during her life of crime period.

Kadian and Ashley could turn to s/s as they were not seen in ME2 and could have changed personality during the events of ME2. Maybe realizing they miss and want their old commander 'more' then they could during the events of ME1.

Tho, I would love to see Kadian as the only s/s for males as it appears too many people killed him off for being too "annoying?".

[WizenSlinky0]

iRipper wrote...

This whole "let's make everyone bi or
gay" is going way too far. And let's face it - people want romances just
cuz of sex. Nothing more. Not for love or the evolution of love. All
this for maybe 1% of population. This trend will go nowhere
good.

If I want to see sex, I'll watch porn. If you want to face something face the realization that blacked out scenes offer very little sexual stimulation.

But the romance plots do work to shapen the character of Shepard, who god forbid, might fall in life. It's one of many tools in the arsenal of RPG's, that isn't always used, and isn't always used well. But a tool nonetheless for character immersion.

Ryzaki wrote...

I'd go without romances if it meant I got some decent friendship dialogue. 

Yeah that tweet made me happy. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Would be pretty impossible to remove it for the third game in the triology

Joker: And every love interest you had died in the first cutscene, you must be so sad Shepard.

Shepard: Nop, I'm good. Let's find the reapers.

Joker: You poor, poor thing.

----------------

Shepard: Hey joker, let's talk

Joker: Still thinking about the death of the love of your life?

Shepard: This again, look-

EDI: Shepard. I have sent pamplets on dealing with depression to your personal messages.

Shepard: Uuuugh.

iRipper wrote...

My points is - we have Reapers coming
very soon to wipe everyone out, we have multiple intergalactic
struggles, people biting the dust by billions, can we please focus on
what's really important, not some sissy nonsence romance?

It's a psychogical fact people reach out to others in life and death situations.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 17 mai 2011 - 12:03 .

[AngelicMachinery]

iRipper wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

iRipper wrote...

This whole "let's make everyone bi or gay" is going way too far. And let's face it - people want romances just cuz of sex. Nothing more. Not for love or the evolution of love. All this for maybe 1% of population. This trend will go nowhere good.

Lets see, you are jumping to the assumption that everyone will be gay.  I doubt this,  I  suspect it will be something closer to DAO. Where there will be one or perhaps two characters per gender that would enter homosexual relationships.  Also,  I don't think anyone is in it "For teh secks."  The sex scenes if anything are strange, strange things... and this only got more awkward in ME2.  I'm sure some people could find it titilating,  but,  if  one wants erotica there are better places than Mass Effect to find it. 

You don't particularly seem to be up in arms about romances in general though,  simply homosexual ones which really doesn't help your argument.  Unless of course, you are suggesting homosexual/bisexuals are only in it for fornication while the pure an innocent heteros only want to feel the sweet embrace of love.  Which is of course bat**** insane.

My points is - we have Reapers coming very soon to wipe everyone out, we have multiple intergalactic struggles, people biting the dust by billions, can we please focus on what's really important, not some sissy nonsence romance?

By "Sissy Romance" do you mean all romance or just homosexual romance.  I can understand one believing romance has no room in the plot of ME3,  but,  I can't quite get behind that reasoning if it only happens to focus on homosexuality.

[Ryzaki]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Would be pretty impossible to remove it for the third game in the triology

Joker: And every love interest you had died in the first cutscene, you must be so sad Shepard.

Shepard: Nop, I'm good. Let's find the reapers.

Joker: You poor, poor thing.

----------------

Shepard: Hey joker, let's talk

Joker: Still thinking about the death of the love of your life?

Shepard: This again, look-

EDI: Shepard. I have sent pamplets on dealing with depression to your personal messages.

Shepard: Uuuugh.

If this happened I'd love ME forever.  

[eldav]

Feels too much forced.

[fern222]

I think its cool, i'm not into the kind of thing but i support more diverse games and playthroughs. That would be a cool renegade option if a character would hit on my Shepard lol.

[Gatt9]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

iRipper wrote...

This whole "let's make everyone bi or gay" is going way too far. And let's face it - people want romances just cuz of sex. Nothing more. Not for love or the evolution of love. All this for maybe 1% of population. This trend will go nowhere good.

Lets see, you are jumping to the assumption that everyone will be gay.  I doubt this,  I  suspect it will be something closer to DAO. Where there will be one or perhaps two characters per gender that would enter homosexual relationships.  Also,  I don't think anyone is in it "For teh secks."  The sex scenes if anything are strange, strange things... and this only got more awkward in ME2.  I'm sure some people could find it titilating,  but,  if  one wants erotica there are better places than Mass Effect to find it. 

You don't particularly seem to be up in arms about romances in general though,  simply homosexual ones which really doesn't help your argument.  Unless of course, you are suggesting homosexual/bisexuals are only in it for fornication while the pure an innocent heteros only want to feel the sweet embrace of love.  Which is of course bat**** insane.

Actually,  his point is drawn from DA2 where they made pretty much everyone Bi,  and if you played a straight character,  you got all kinds of penalties for politely declining a gay relationship.

Which is really wrong,  because in a game,  I shouldn't be suffering penalties for the game assuming I'm gay and starts hitting on me.

Plus,  once the novelty wears off,  I doubt the other side of the fence is going to be all that thrilled with poorly written Bi characters either.

[Harley_Dude]

It's gay.

[Ryzaki]

Oh for pete's sake.

You had to reject one male LI.

Oh noes. 15 (at most) rivalry points were the worst punishment ever!

Nevermind the fact that if you choose the heartbreak right off you don't get any rivalry points or flirtation!

But thats not enough for people apparently.

[AngelicMachinery]

Gatt9 wrote...


Actually,  his point is drawn from DA2
where they made pretty much everyone Bi,  and if you played a straight
character,  you got all kinds of penalties for politely declining a gay
relationship.

Which is really wrong,  because in a game,  I
shouldn't be suffering penalties for the game assuming I'm gay and
starts hitting on me.

Plus,  once the novelty wears off,  I doubt
the other side of the fence is going to be all that thrilled with
poorly written Bi characters either.

DA2 is NOT ME3,  you
are making an assumption nothing more.  Also, you received no
penalaties for being straight,  you got a couple rivalary points the
same thing happens if your with isabella and you don't ask for payment
for the things you do.  You don't lose any SUPER LEET skills,  you have
to turn someone down...  which you have to do with unappealing people
even if there gender meshes with your sexuality.

[Evil Johnny 666]

iRipper wrote...

This whole "let's make everyone bi or gay" is going way too far. And let's face it - people want romances just cuz of sex. Nothing more. Not for love or the evolution of love. All this for maybe 1% of population. This trend will go nowhere good.

Agreed. And even then, what is there to get for the 1%? The romances are incredibly shallow and one-dimensional. You can't even fail at them. All you need to do is tell Miranda she's pretty 3 times and that's it. And hell, just look how many youtube videos of the ME1 alien lesbian sex there are, and how many views they got.

[Evil Johnny 666]

Gatt9 wrote...
Actually,  his point is drawn from DA2 where they made pretty much everyone Bi,  and if you played a straight character,  you got all kinds of penalties for politely declining a gay relationship.

I haven't played DA2, but you got to decline gay relationships? As in no matter if you show interest, every bi character's gonna try to hit you? Pretty lame.

[James2912]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
Actually,  his point is drawn from DA2 where they made pretty much everyone Bi,  and if you played a straight character,  you got all kinds of penalties for politely declining a gay relationship.

I haven't played DA2, but you got to decline gay relationships? As in no matter if you show interest, every bi character's gonna try to hit you? Pretty lame.

I'm curious about this too, in DA does everybody just hit on you constantly?  If ME turns into  that I will be very upset not to mention pissed! Same sex romances are okay if they are handled tastefully and are activated by the player not shoved in the players face.

[ScepticMatt]

I totally approve - I like rolling lesbian or gay for some playthroughs.
But I have a problem with:
a) everyone being be. I like some being gay, some hetero only.
followers changing sexual orientation in an unbelievable way.
c) almost everyone wanting to sleep with me. I like options, but I rather have fewer, deeper relationships.

Modifié par ScepticMatt, 17 mai 2011 - 12:46 .

[SennenScale]

James2912 wrote...

I'm curious about this too, in DA does everybody just hit on you constantly?  If ME turns into  that I will be very upset not to mention pissed! Same sex romances are okay if they are handled tastefully and are activated by the player not shoved in the players face.

From what I understand, one person hits on you if you pick the nice option. You then have two flirt lines and one option that breaks romance off with that character permanently.

I never heard that guy flirt with my character (despite me trying to romance him and failing) and no other character did, though I saw heart options every once in a while.

[Evil Johnny 666]

As much as I'm an heterosexual who wouldn't want to be hit by a gay or bi, I wouldn't want to be either by an opposite sex character in a video game. If I want a romance in a playthrough, let me do the first step. OR, make ONE character who is designed to have a crush on you, but don't make everyone showing interest in you, it's unbelievable and annoying.

[James2912]

SennenScale wrote...

James2912 wrote...

I'm curious about this too, in DA does everybody just hit on you constantly?  If ME turns into  that I will be very upset not to mention pissed! Same sex romances are okay if they are handled tastefully and are activated by the player not shoved in the players face.

From what I understand, one person hits on you if you pick the nice option. You then have two flirt lines and one option that breaks romance off with that character permanently.

I never heard that guy flirt with my character (despite me trying to romance him and failing) and no other character did, though I saw heart options every once in a while.

ok sounds reasonable, thanks. Its just people are using that game as the boogie man of what ME could become and I wanted the clear story thanks for giveing it to me.