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[Melca36]

Was she never really a Hawke to begin with?

Is the only way a marriage is considered legal is if it takes place in the Chantry?

[TheBlackBaron]

She probably just chose to revert to using her maiden name after they moved back into the old Amell estate.

[ipgd]

Probably because the Amell name still carries prestige and status that is useful to her once she is living in Kirkwall again. It's also possible she either never changed her name, or was never actually married legally (likely because the Chantry would have problems with officiating an apostate).

[Zandilar]

ipgd wrote...

Probably because the Amell name still carries prestige and status that is useful to her once she is living in Kirkwall again. It's also possible she either never changed her name, or was never actually married legally (likely because the Chantry would have problems with officiating an apostate).

It could be that because she's legally the head of the Amell family, her surname automatically trumps her husbands. If this is the case, then technically Hawke would also be Master or Mistress Amell after Leandra is killed. It's clearly not patrilineal, since her brother wasn't intended to inherit the Amell estate, and when the estate was reclaimed, Leandra lived there but Gamlen did not. (This would probably make inheritance primogeniture, that is, inherited by the eldest born.)

[mesmerizedish]

You'd think people wouldn't be so shocked about a woman carrying her own name. It's so not a big deal.

[TheBlackBaron]

Refer to Hot Tub Time Machine, Hyphenated Scene.

[Paraxial]

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Don't ya know how men like their women having their surname. It makes them feel good about themselves(I think)

Yeah it's just a male dominance thing, all across the board.

The hell?

[Beerfish]

Do women often revert back to their old surname after the death of their spouse? I've known people that changed back after a divorce but I can't recall any that did so after being widowed.

[erilben]

What's the big deal with this? Ferledans were shown not to be patrilineal in Origins. Women can inherit the titles and property. Alfstanna is bann and not her brother. Bryce tells his daugher how he trusts her to carry on the family name, and there's talk she will be teryna. The city elf origin tells you either gender can leave their family and join their spouse's family. If they were patrilineal, the woman would always leave to join the man's family.

Modifié par erilben, 17 mai 2011 - 09:54 .

[Miri1984]

Because titles go by family name, not by person. She's Lady Amell because that's the name of the title. Her surname could very well still be Hawke, but we know that Malcolm wasn't nobility, so his name doesn't stay.

[Abispa]

I'm pretty sure it's because, in Kirkwall, Malcolm HAWKE was a known apostate.

However, I am SHOCKED that we have yet to have anyone make the charge I read so often in these forums when there's a continuity question:

"It's because EA is evil and Bioware no longer cares about the fans!" *sob*

I'll leave it to you to figure out if I'm joking.

[Xilizhra]

Bible Doctor wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Don't ya know how men like their women having their surname. It makes them feel good about themselves(I think)

Yeah it's just a male dominance thing, all across the board.

The hell?

That isn't the origin?

[CSlice]

Honestly, I would think that with Hawke being the one to make all the ripples, and with the map showing it as the Hawke Estate (and having it been that a HAWKE reclaimed the estate and bought it back with his money from the Deep Roads Expedition [as is my understanding at the very least]) that she would use Hawke as her surname, and not Amell, since it's very clearly pointed out that Amell is now associated with Gamlen (gambling, drinking, prostitutes, etc).

[Paraxial]

Xilizhra wrote...
That isn't the origin?

Why exactly does the origin matter in this case? The implication of the persons comment was that all men today wed their spouse to have some sort of primeval power over their wife. Which is not only stupid, but it is insulting to men. Our Justice system originated from mobs beating the hell out of the 'guilty' and stringing them up from trees. Are you saying that because of it's rocky and controversial origins that our Justice system still stands for those practices? That it hasn't evolved past it's origins and become something more fine tuned and better? The same applies for this, hell it applies to marriages in general. Marriages were all about putting two people together to mate and produce offspring, so the man could own a wife and the wife could bear children.


Assuming that every woman who chooses to take her husbands name now is doing it out of fear of her husband, or out of a necessity to be owned is ignorant and insulting.

[AtreiyaN7]

I guess it's because it's her maiden name and because she was back in Kirkwall? It's an established, wealthy family (or was until Gamlen effed up), and Leandra was born an Amell.

[berelinde]

Beerfish wrote...

Do women often revert back to their old surname after the death of their spouse? I've known people that changed back after a divorce but I can't recall any that did so after being widowed.

In most cultures, England and its former colonies aside, women do not change their names when they marry. English-speakers are used to seing Mrs Husband's-Surname, but Leandra might have spend her entire life as an Amell. We just notice it because it's different, I guess.

[Autodoll]

 I was under the impression that she just didn't want to get crushed by Shale. 

[SmokeyTheBear]

I can solve this with MY opinion: Because it's her birth-right and shows respect.

Now YOU can solve it with YOUR opinion.

[Patchwork]

Or it could be something really basic like BW trying to avoid confusion when NPCs are referring to LadyHawke or her mother?

[LyndseyCousland]

Toss between using Amell to honour her family or Hawke to honour her love, I guess.