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[Darth Death]

lolwut666 wrote...

No.

I like Mark Meer a lot better than Jennifer Hale.

I agree, but I think we're in the minority.

[Abispa]

If an NPC hits on my Shepard, I don't mind it so long as I can shoot him or her down, no matter what their persuasion. I wouldn't mind if more NPCs and squad members shoot down Shepard's advances.

I assume that most of those complaining are talking about Anders. In DA2, the Anders/Justice hybrid is pretty much depicted as a troubled, paranoid and thin-skinned man who is constantly upset when he doesn't get his way. Of course he tries to cling to the only person to never freak out over him being an abomination, and is TEMPORARILY angry when you shoot him down; he's spent his entire life being told how he should act. He scolds Isabella for not fully supporting his agenda for freedom, he accuses Aveline of conspiring with the Templars, and his over the top reaction to Fenris being betrayed by Hawke all point to that happy-go-lucky guy from DA:A now inhabiting a very dark place.

The only time "ninjamance" ever made me angry was in ME2, where I wanted my female Shepard to have a friendly conversation with Jacob and she suddenly acts like she's in heat. The only thing missing was her sitting on the counter, legs spread and licking her lips when she asks, "What's the matter, Jacob? Am I putting you on the spot?" This wasn't an "independent" NPC acting out, but MY character.

[SalsaDMA]

Sure thing
                 O -- No thanks
                    [Airlock him]

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 21 mai 2011 - 06:44 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Abispa wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Not at all. Although it can be hard to tell, and I mean no offense by this, but FemShep fans are actually the Vocal Minority of the fanbase. So even with gay options, most gamers will still end up playing with a Male Shepard.

No offense taken, unless you plan on insulting people who play as female Shepard or, possibly, gay male Shepard. So what kind of Shepard do you like to play and why? Do the LI influence your decision in any way?

I play as a Male Shep. I don't do it because I prefer the romances (although, Ash is my favorite romance in the series) but because it adds more immersion for me.

[Abispa]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Abispa wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Not at all. Although it can be hard to tell, and I mean no offense by this, but FemShep fans are actually the Vocal Minority of the fanbase. So even with gay options, most gamers will still end up playing with a Male Shepard.

No offense taken, unless you plan on insulting people who play as female Shepard or, possibly, gay male Shepard. So what kind of Shepard do you like to play and why? Do the LI influence your decision in any way?

I play as a Male Shep. I don't do it because I prefer the romances (although, Ash is my favorite romance in the series) but because it adds more immersion for me.

Tis cool. Ashley will always be my favorite, unless Bioware REALLY screws up ME3.

[Merchant2006]

Well you gotta realise that not every single person in the galaxy in the future is going to be bisexual. That's not how things work in the Mass Effect Universe. They just don't. I'm all for s/s romances and great news for people who want a male/male romance but don't twist it so everyone can be a damn romance option for Male Shepard. Just like real life, people have preferences and choices and I doubt everyone is going to be available.

TD;DR

Nope.avi. I believe I read that SOME characters will be options for Bi (I think according to the ME3 confirmed features thread).

[Abispa]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Well you gotta realise that not every single person in the galaxy in the future is going to be bisexual. That's not how things work in the Mass Effect Universe. They just don't. I'm all for s/s romances and great news for people who want a male/male romance but don't twist it so everyone can be a damn romance option for Male Shepard. Just like real life, people have preferences and choices and I doubt everyone is going to be available.

TD;DR

Nope.avi. I believe I read that SOME characters will be options for Bi (I think according to the ME3 confirmed features thread).

I don't believe that every person in the ME universe is bisexual, but just like some players were angry that they could no longer choose their party's armor set, some players want the option romance them. Unrealistic? Yes, but so is micromanaging their clothing, power set and weaponry.

[Any_ILL]

@Abispa: To answer to your first post, I mainly play as a femshep. I really love the lesbian relationship with liara. I was first attracted by this romance for two reason: the lesbian character of the romance and the awfulness of kaidan.
But it's only fun for a moment and the only reason I stay with liara on the long run is because I love her personnality and their romance is my favourite; not because it's a lesbian romance (though it helped a little).

For that matter, my second femshep will very soon date Garrus (I think I find monospecies heterosexual relationship boring in ME1. And Thane, I find Thane boring too) and I will definitely keep my only male shepard (even though if you can homosexually date Jack, I could do a third femshep).

So in conclusion, yes I was attracted by the character of femshep partially because of the lesbian content, but that's not the reason I keep playing her (and her lesbian romance) and it definitely won't make me stop playing my one male shep.

Modifié par Any_ILL, 24 mai 2011 - 06:28 .

[jamesp81]

Darth Death wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

No.

I like Mark Meer a lot better than Jennifer Hale.

I agree, but I think we're in the minority.

Sometimes, Hale tries too hard in her lines to sound less feminine and more badass.  IMO.

Mark Meer did an outstanding job as male Shepard IMO.  Jen Hale did a great job as femshep as well, but my preference is toward male Shepards.

Modifié par jamesp81, 24 mai 2011 - 04:26 .

[Darth Death]

jamesp81 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

No.

I like Mark Meer a lot better than Jennifer Hale.

I agree, but I think we're in the minority.

Sometimes, Hale tries too hard in her lines to sound less feminine and more badass.  IMO.

Mark Meer did an outstanding job as male Shepard IMO.  Jen Hale did a great job as femshep as well, but my preference is toward male Shepards.

Yea exactly! Took the words right out of my mouth. 

[88mphSlayer]

wait for the dragon age 2 metrics to find out

*hint: probably not

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 24 mai 2011 - 07:51 .

[Raanz]

Darth Death wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

No.

I like Mark Meer a lot better than Jennifer Hale.

I agree, but I think we're in the minority.

I'm in there too...and I doubt it's a minority
To the OP, it won't kill my male Shepard....he will always be hetro, I think you're reasoning is a bit off.  I am guessing that you think all male Shepard players are closed minded, adolenscence that hate homosexuals unless it's girl on girl action?
Sometimes these forums make me scratch my head.

[ADLegend21]

Abispa wrote...

If, and I mean IF, the rumors are true and most or all ME3 characters are now romantic options for both Shepards, will that cause a lot of players to ditch male Shepard and create their dream female Shepard now that it's open season on Miranda? I am curious how the rest of the community feels since I know at least six players personally who have admited as much.

Not at all.  Women play Male shep just like men do. Men play femshep just lke women do. It brings a different dynamic to change the gender of the savior of the galaxy. Romances don't make a gender obsolete. as for all the VA discussion, I like both equally and make various characters of both genders for different experiences.

[Eromenos]

Abispa wrote...

Having read quite a few Mass Effect and Dragon Age posts concerning male vs. female leads and posts concerning gay love interests, I've developed a sneaking suspicion that there are great number of male game players who prefer to play as a female (and lesbian) character. Still I think a lot of those same players only play the male Shepard because he is the only one who can get into Miranda, Jack, and/or Ashley's uniform. I have no scientific information to back my suspicion, only forum comments, conversations with friends, and discussing the subject at the three local Game Stops.

If, and I mean IF, the rumors are true and most or all ME3 characters are now romantic options for both Shepards, will that cause a lot of players to ditch male Shepard and create their dream female Shepard now that it's open season on Miranda? I am curious how the rest of the community feels since I know at least six players personally who have admited as much.

Please, no trolling, though I don't mind joking around; it's hard to not make a flaming Wrex joke. And feel free to comment on what I see is blatant hypocricy in the Bioware fan community about their treatment of lesbian vs. gay male romances. I find it laughable how many male DA players complain bitterly that Anders hit on male Hawke and they lost 5 whole friendship points turning him down (would Morrigan had received the same outrage, recon or no?). I'm not gay myself, but I've always thought it suspicious that Bioware was always had the lesbian option for Shepard, Liara or Kelly, while gay male Shepard always had to remain celibate.

I, for one, will continue as manly gay Commander Shepard.

This time he'll finally get some.

Modifié par Eromenos, 25 mai 2011 - 01:38 .

[Someone With Mass]

Wow, this thread is still alive?

[Eromenos]

jamesp81 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

No.

I like Mark Meer a lot better than Jennifer Hale.

I agree, but I think we're in the minority.

Sometimes, Hale tries too hard in her lines to sound less feminine and more badass.  IMO.

Mark Meer did an outstanding job as male Shepard IMO.  Jen Hale did a great job as femshep as well, but my preference is toward male Shepards.

Same here. Whenever she strains(a lot) she doesn't seem to be herself. That ruins immersion. She should've went for feminine and badass. The aggressive Lady Hawke always made it work.

Modifié par Eromenos, 25 mai 2011 - 02:22 .

[Siansonea]

I will continue playing my six Shepards, three male and three female, the way I imagined them originally. Devon Shepard, my male Vanguard, and Simone Shepard, my female Adept, will both remain true to Liara and have 'little blue babies'. Ethan Shepard, my male Infiltrator, is a lowdown dirty dog who's bagged Ashley and Jack so far, and probably won't stop there. Ashley Shepard, my Soldier, is a psychotic b¡tch who tried to brainwash Kaidan and had a fling with Jacob (who later died), so who knows what she's going to do in ME3. Leah Shepard is an ultra-focused Engineer with little time for romance, though she did have a thing with Kaidan, and if he's still interested in ME3 she might pick that up again. And last but not least is Martín Shepard, my Sentinel, a pretty no-nonsense guy who seems to be surrounded by women who want to flirt with him, and he just doesn't have the heart to tell them that he's holding out for the right man to come along.

But I'm a female gamer, and an old woman at that, so even if the young males abandon MaleShep in droves for some hot girl-on-girl action, I'll still be playing my MaleSheps. And even in Dragon Age 2, when pretty much all the LI options were available to both genders, I played many different scenarios. Female Mage Siansonea Hawke romanced fellow mage Anders, and male Mage Henrick Hawke did too. Female Mage (pro-templar blood mage, no less) Mahaelis Hawke had a roll in the hay with Isabela, but later made a more lasting connection with Merrill. Male Warrior Sheridan Hawke also had a tryst with Isabela, but for him it was more than that, and eventually Isabela came around. Who knows who my other Hawkes will woo...

Modifié par Siansonea II, 25 mai 2011 - 06:13 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

To answer the OP title question..
My MaleSheps
Ash romanced Ashley in ME, remained faithful in ME2, most likely will in ME3
Gill romanced Jack in ME2, will most likely remain faithful in ME3
Jethro doesn't date co-workers due to rule #12, but might have something with Gianna Parasini if opportunity arose in ME3
Oman and Jack romanced Miranda in ME2, most likely remain faithful to her in ME3
Richard romanced Ashley in ME, had basement sexy time with Jack, had a kiss with Miranda before stopping it, then got to see what Tali's face looks like under the mask in ME2, if given opportunity most likely will be looking for more sexual endeavours with other squadmates in ME3.
John romanced Liara in ME and remained faithful in ME2 and will most likely in ME3
Soloman romanced Ash in ME, flirted with Kelly and invited her to the cabin more than once in ME2

So... will bisexual characters kill off my MaleSheps? HELL NO!

Will it change my FemSheps? Well, let's see...

My FemSheps
Motoko romanced Garrus in ME2 and most likely remain with him in ME3
Jane romanced Kaidan in ME and remained faithful in ME2 and most likely will in ME3
Jacqueline romanced Liara in ME, had a fling with Thane in ME2 before he died, not sure what happening with her yet in ME3 as not got round to doing LotSB yet with her, probably will go back to Liara
Eiko romanced Kaidan in ME, had a fling with Garrus in ME2 before he died, not entirely sure yet what she'll do in ME3 but she'll not turn bisexual.
Elena romanced Jacob in ME2 most likely will remain faithful in ME3
Dani romanced no one in ME (Kaidan got Virmired and Dani not into aliens), romanced no one in ME2 and all LIs (both male and female) ended up dead along with majority of the crew other than Kasumi and Zaeed, highly doubtful she'll romance anyone in ME3
Chroma flirted with Kelly in ME2 inviting her to the cabin more than once. Not sure what will happen in ME3 with her.
Shianni romanced Thane in ME2, most likely stay faithful in ME3

So will bisexual characters cause my FemSheps to turn into lesbians/bisexual? Erm... no other than the ones who already were, it won't.

[GenericPlayer2]

I am not sure I understand the topic. Will ME3 have bisexual squad mates that will try to kill Shep? Will we have the option to not recruit them?

[AlexMBrennan]

The OP's argument was that since ME3 allows bisexual love interest there will be no reason to play as manShep since all gamers pick manShep only to be able to romance the female love interests
AND/OR
manShep players will switch to femShep because they only play the game to get f/f romance.

[Slightly exaggerated to point out minor flaws in the argument]

[NKKKK]

Brandon lee Shepard wrote...

No offense but this thread probably wont live long but on a personal level i hope not and i dont think thats gonna actually happen, and i wouldent do that i play as myself do what i would do

LOOOOL

[noxsachi]

Comsky159 wrote...

Akizora wrote...

As long as its handled better than in Dragon Age 2 I'm all for it being open to be bisexual. Romance/sexuality should never be forced on anyone and you should never feel like you've just gunned down the person in front of you for saying "sorry I'm not gay" and make them your worst enemy.

Very well said. I don't really want to be confronted with the gay agenda ingame, but I certainly don't mind its being involved. Also I'm afraid they might butcher existing characters for its sake, but I'll put my faith in Bioware's writing. Character progression has been fantastic so far.

Well uhm, aside from Jack have any other characters come out and said they weren't attracted to the same gender? I mean honestly I don't see it as any more of a stretch than having a relationship with a Lizardman or a Dinosaur, or a blue tentacle headed woman. I don't get how this is offensive or character murdering when they added the alien romance options. And at least as far as I know it was possible to have s/s relationships in ME1, the dialogue is all there, but it got cut from the final release. So I mean Ash and Kaidan were planned as bisexual to begin with...so...Why all the hullabaloo?

@Abipsa: Also yeah, even more so than Ander's hitting on me FemSheps interaction's with Jacob leave a really, really bad taste in my mouth. I actually rather like him, but I can't stand any of the conversations because Shepard sounds like shes about to rape him, which I wouldn't, not would my Shepard, seeing as that is the opposite of my orientation. <_<

Modifié par noxsachi, 25 mai 2011 - 04:23 .

[JamieCOTC]

Yes. Harbinger will "tear him apart."

[Abispa]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Wow, this thread is still alive?

Yep. I'm a bit surprised, too, considering the bickering that usually comes with bringing up this topic. I'm happy things have been mostly civil.

[Abispa]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

I am not sure I understand the topic. Will ME3 have bisexual squad mates that will try to kill Shep? Will we have the option to not recruit them?

As I said before, the title was a hyperbole. I am hopeing that every player has a chance at a romance that fits his/her persuation, as well as be able to have meaningful conversations with the squad if s/he doesn't romance them (I HATED how ME and DA:O cut out huge chunks of non-romance oriented dialog when the player didn't romance a character). And I want players who think romances are stupid to be able to enjoy the game as well. Not much to ask.

As for a squad mate trying to kill you, I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd LOVE a well written betrayal. I enjoyed the fact that DA2 party members could turn on Hawke.