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[TEWR]

So, whilst driving and doing some errands twenty or so minutes ago, I wondered "What if blood magic is how the Taint can be cured fully and permanently?"

You see, I came to this idea after thinking about Merrill and the Eluvian. She cleansed the shard of the taint, which led me to this theory. We know that the Joining is a form of blood magic, but it's a very crude form it seems. What if it was possible to make all Hurlocks, Genlocks, Shrieks, and Ogres cured from the taint that infects them so?

If blood magic was actually what caused the darkspawn, what if it is also the cure to the darkspawn?


3.... 2... 1.... Discuss!

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 17 mai 2011 - 12:04 .

[IanPolaris]

I wouldn't be suprised in the slightest if bloodmagic and the taint were connected and a cure would require bloodmagic. However, I am nearly certain there is more to it.

It is interesting to note that darkspawn 'taint' magic is apparently closely related to bloodmagic (and may even by bloodmagic by some definitions).

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

Well, Avernus has made a lot of progress in controlling the taint via blood magic; he can apparently delay the Calling indefinitely.

[TEWR]

It wasn't indefinitely it appears. It seems that DA2 hints at his time being almost up, but through blood magic we do know he was able to prolong the Calling.

And Ian, I agree that there has to be more to it. But since there isn't much to go on right now, we can only guess. Out of curiosity though, where did you find that Darkspawn taint magic bit?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 17 mai 2011 - 12:19 .

[IanPolaris]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It wasn't indefinitely it appears. It seems that DA2 hints at his time being almost up, but through blood magic he was able to prolong the Calling.

And Ian, I agree that there has to be more to it. But since there isn't much to go on right now, we can only guess. Out of curiosity though, where did you find that Darkspawn taint magic bit though?

It was one of the books IIRC.  Where we first run into the Architect and he teaches the first enchanter 'taint' magic (and the first enchanter comments it's much like bloodmagic) without telling the first enchanter, that using the magic would eventually turn everyone into a ghoul.

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It wasn't indefinitely it appears. It seems that DA2 hints at his time being almost up, but through blood magic we do know he was able to prolong the Calling.

And Ian, I agree that there has to be more to it. But since there isn't much to go on right now, we can only guess. Out of curiosity though, where did you find that Darkspawn taint magic bit?

I think he meant that he was about to die of old age; it was the use of blood magic to extend his lifespan that couldn't last forever. He never mentions an impending Calling.

[TEWR]

ah. I haven't read the books.

That damn Architect... he's setting the foundation for our downfall!

[EmperorSahlertz]

The joining isn't blood magic. Now that is out of the way. Blood magic does indeed seem to have some capabilities to stall the corruption of the taint, and extend the lifespan of its practitioner. However, Avernus wasn't able to fully cure himself from the taint, nor do I think that he really tried. Avernus tried to unlock the power within the blood of the Grey Wardens.

Considering Darkspawn are little more than walking vessels of the taint, I doubt you could ever "cure" them. They are as dependant on the taint, as it is anathema to everyone else.

[TEWR]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It wasn't indefinitely it appears. It seems that DA2 hints at his time being almost up, but through blood magic we do know he was able to prolong the Calling.

And Ian, I agree that there has to be more to it. But since there isn't much to go on right now, we can only guess. Out of curiosity though, where did you find that Darkspawn taint magic bit?

I think he meant that he was about to die of old age; it was the use of blood magic to extend his lifespan that couldn't last forever. He never mentions an impending Calling.

hmmm.... yea that's a possibility too. The more likely one at any rate.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The joining isn't blood magic. Now that is out of the way. Blood magic does indeed seem to have some capabilities to stall the corruption of the taint, and extend the lifespan of its practitioner. However, Avernus wasn't able to fully cure himself from the taint, nor do I think that he really tried. Avernus tried to unlock the power within the blood of the Grey Wardens.

Considering Darkspawn are little more than walking vessels of the taint, I doubt you could ever "cure" them. They are as dependant on the taint, as it is anathema to everyone else.

The joining IS blood magic. Blood magic is about gaining abilities from blood, which the Joining does. The Reaver specialization's codex says that the ritualized consumption of dragon's blood is a form of blood magic, so the same applies to the Joining. Because it is a ritualized form of consuming darkspawn blood.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The joining isn't blood magic. Now that is out of the way. Blood magic does indeed seem to have some capabilities to stall the corruption of the taint, and extend the lifespan of its practitioner. However, Avernus wasn't able to fully cure himself from the taint, nor do I think that he really tried. Avernus tried to unlock the power within the blood of the Grey Wardens.

Considering Darkspawn are little more than walking vessels of the taint, I doubt you could ever "cure" them. They are as dependant on the taint, as it is anathema to everyone else.

The joining IS blood magic. Blood magic is about gaining abilities from blood, which the Joining does. The Reaver specialization's codex says that the ritualized consumption of dragon's blood is a form of blood magic, so the same applies to the Joining. Because it is a ritualized form of consuming darkspawn blood.

Blood magic is about powering spells through blood. That they gain abilities because of the corruption within their blood, does not make the joining blood magic. The joining is powered by lyrium, thus it can't be blood magic. It all depends on where the spell required gets its power.

[IanPolaris]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Blood magic is about powering spells through blood. That they gain abilities because of the corruption within their blood, does not make the joining blood magic. The joining is powered by lyrium, thus it can't be blood magic. It all depends on where the spell required gets its power.

That is disputed.  Finn admits in Witch Hunt that he's heard both interpretations.  My take on it is a lot more cynical:  Both the Imperial Chantry and Andrastian Chanty have the same working definition of blood magic.  It's any magic they don't like.  Period.  Given that, I would not be suprised at all if the Chantry did not call the joining bloodmagic even if by some academic definitions it should be.  I know the call things (like shapeshiftiong) bloodmagic even when it's not.

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

Blood magic can bolster itself with lyrium. The Tevinter Imperium did that a lot.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The joining isn't blood magic. Now that is out of the way. Blood magic does indeed seem to have some capabilities to stall the corruption of the taint, and extend the lifespan of its practitioner. However, Avernus wasn't able to fully cure himself from the taint, nor do I think that he really tried. Avernus tried to unlock the power within the blood of the Grey Wardens.

Considering Darkspawn are little more than walking vessels of the taint, I doubt you could ever "cure" them. They are as dependant on the taint, as it is anathema to everyone else.

The joining IS blood magic. Blood magic is about gaining abilities from blood, which the Joining does. The Reaver specialization's codex says that the ritualized consumption of dragon's blood is a form of blood magic, so the same applies to the Joining. Because it is a ritualized form of consuming darkspawn blood.

Blood magic is about powering spells through blood. That they gain abilities because of the corruption within their blood, does not make the joining blood magic. The joining is powered by lyrium, thus it can't be blood magic. It all depends on where the spell required gets its power.

So you ignored what I just told you about ritualized forms of consuming blood. Good to know.

Just because the joining uses lyrium does not invalidate it as being blood magic. Lyrium is used to distill the darkspawn blood to a relatively safer, albeit still dangerous, mixture.

[TJPags]

Can Hurlocks, et al, be cured? I mean, they are born the way they are, from a tainted Broodmother - they don't become that way.

It may be able to cure the ghoul syndrome which seems to happen to those tainted, but I'm not sure about the Hurlocks, etc.

[Rifneno]

Hmm.  If this is the case, that may be the "startling revelation" that Avernus encoded to send to the First Warden. 

[HSHAW]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

ah. I haven't read the books.

That damn Architect... he's setting the foundation for our downfall!

How is the Architect setting the foundation for our downfall?

[TEWR]

what was the story about that one Grey Warden who was presumed to be free of the Calling? What was her name?


For having not read the books themselves, I do know a lot of the details regarding them.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Indeed I ignored what you said, because it was illogical. You take two unconnected rituals and claim that, because ritual A is done a certain way, B must also be done such away. The two rituals has only one thing in common, and that is blood being a component.

And it was Fiona who had supposedly overcome her taint.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 17 mai 2011 - 01:00 .

[HSHAW]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

what was the story about that one Grey Warden who was presumed to be free of the Calling? What was her name?


For having not read the books themselves, I do know a lot of the details regarding them.

The story is Dragon Age: The Calling and the warden presumed to be free of the calling is Fiona (also presumed to be Alistair's mother).

[TEWR]

What happened in The Calling specifically to Fiona? Didn't she wear some sort of Architect amulet that accelerated the Taint for other people?

[HSHAW]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

What happened in The Calling specifically to Fiona? Didn't she wear some sort of Architect amulet that accelerated the Taint for other people?

The Grey Wardens were all given amulets to conceal them from Darkspawn (and they concealed them from every Darkspawn but the Architect), these amulets accelerated the progress of the taint within them (didn't work on Duncan because he was carrying a dagger enchanted to neutralize the taint acceleration effect stolen from the first enchanter). In the epilogue of the calling, Fiona heads back to Weisshaupt fortress to get a team of Grey Wardens to track down the Architect.

[Crow_22]

Lol WOW ETHERAL! Glad to see you've come up with something THIS brilliant!

I've had theories as well, but I haven't 'delved' into it alot, in fact I didn't bother with Merrill alot untill quite recently. And I also thought that if things like the Mirror could be cured, why not destroy the Blight with it? It makes sense to me.

However, this seems like an ancient magic, something that an older mage would know. (Flemeth maybe? Which brings it back to my theory of Flemeth being a mage originally. Although, I am not entirely sure if all Dragons are violent, she could be a rare breed of them that have intelligence and magic aptitude of a human, If not more so!)

I do agree! This theory sounds logical to me.


Feedback is appreciated!

(I did not answer the current discussion because frankly I just focused on the current question lol)

[TEWR]

haha thanks Crow. Merrill's always on my mind so this stuff just came naturally to me.


Flemeth is the Dumat OGB, whom I believe is in turn Andraste. This is fact. Just ask Rifneno.