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[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Tevinter Magisters never seemed like the type who put a great deal of value in safety during magical study or research.

[TEWR]

I think if it threatened their own safety they'd care.

[Lewie]

Its another attempt to defend blood magic, even though in Origins you as a Warden was linear. I do see the joining as blood magic, but, im not a warden anymore.

[Silfren]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Indeed I ignored what you said, because it was illogical. You take two unconnected rituals and claim that, because ritual A is done a certain way, B must also be done such away. The two rituals has only one thing in common, and that is blood being a component.

And it was Fiona who had supposedly overcome her taint.

Except, "claim that because ritual A is done a certain way, B must also be done such a way" is not what they said.  They said that if drinking blood to become a Reaver means it is a type of blood magic, it stands to reason that the Joining, as it also involves drinking blood in order to become something, is also a type of blood magic.  The two rituals don't just have blood as a component in common but involve the drinking of blood in order to gain a particular ability. 

You've just got this wonderful knack at twisting words.  Positing the claim that the Joining is blood magic because it shares a fundamental characteristic with another rite is not saying that because you do one ritual one way, another ritual must be done precisely the same.  It's saying that because two given rituals already DO achieve a goal via the same means, they fall under the same classification.

[Silfren]

nightscrawl wrote...

Keep in mind when I mention here about slaying the Archdemon, anything in Origins cannot really be counted as a reference. They would not make any major plot developments center around a DLC. So whether you gained the abilities and had them while fighting the Archdemon in DAO is irrelevant since you would still live or die (or Alistair would live or die) based around doing the ritual with Morrigan; and while that might be based around blood magic (or special Morrigan magic...) it's not related to Avernus's research for reasons mentioned.

"Anything in Origins" refers to the whole of the game, not just DLCs, so saying that nothing in Origins can be counted as a reference is just plain nonsensical.  Anyway, major plot developments is one thing.  Evidence pertaining to various theories is quite another.  There's no reason at all to believe we have to completely dismiss anything we hear or read from a DLC just out of hand.

[Silfren]

louise101 wrote...

Its another attempt to defend blood magic, even though in Origins you as a Warden was linear. I do see the joining as blood magic, but, im not a warden anymore.

That underlined part, I'd like clarification on, please, as it just doesn't make sense to me. 

[TEWR]

Silfren wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Indeed I ignored what you said, because it was illogical. You take two unconnected rituals and claim that, because ritual A is done a certain way, B must also be done such away. The two rituals has only one thing in common, and that is blood being a component.

And it was Fiona who had supposedly overcome her taint.

Except, "claim that because ritual A is done a certain way, B must also be done such a way" is not what they said.  They said that if drinking blood to become a Reaver means it is a type of blood magic, it stands to reason that the Joining, as it also involves drinking blood in order to become something, is also a type of blood magic.  The two rituals don't just have blood as a component in common but involve the drinking of blood in order to gain a particular ability. 

You've just got this wonderful knack at twisting words.  Positing the claim that the Joining is blood magic because it shares a fundamental characteristic with another rite is not saying that because you do one ritual one way, another ritual must be done precisely the same.  It's saying that because two given rituals already DO achieve a goal via the same means, they fall under the same classification.

Thank you Silfren. That is exactly what I meant when I posted that.


 Don't you just love these people who twist words around to fit their own beliefs?

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Indeed I ignored what you said, because it was illogical. You take two unconnected rituals and claim that, because ritual A is done a certain way, B must also be done such away. The two rituals has only one thing in common, and that is blood being a component.

And it was Fiona who had supposedly overcome her taint.

Except, "claim that because ritual A is done a certain way, B must also be done such a way" is not what they said.  They said that if drinking blood to become a Reaver means it is a type of blood magic, it stands to reason that the Joining, as it also involves drinking blood in order to become something, is also a type of blood magic.  The two rituals don't just have blood as a component in common but involve the drinking of blood in order to gain a particular ability. 

You've just got this wonderful knack at twisting words.  Positing the claim that the Joining is blood magic because it shares a fundamental characteristic with another rite is not saying that because you do one ritual one way, another ritual must be done precisely the same.  It's saying that because two given rituals already DO achieve a goal via the same means, they fall under the same classification.

Thank you Silfren. That is exactly what I meant when I posted that.


 Don't you just love these people who twist words around to fit their own beliefs?

Always.  Especially that particular one.  They're amazingly good at it, to the point where one wonders if they just practice at being deliberately obtuse.

[TEWR]

I wonder if they practice in a mirror...

[dragonflight288]

Just barely finished reading all this. What a brain-full after 20 minutes.

Hmm...where do I begin?

I suppose the theory behind blood magic being a cure for the taint may be possible. Avernus DID extend his life some odd centuries. Even with the taint.

But Avernus has been researching blood magic and fighting demons the entire time. Unless he wrote every last thing down, he's the only one with knowledge. When he dies, much of that knowledge goes with him. That's roughly 200 years of research on the subject gone. I certainly hope he left some records.

[Xilizhra]

But Avernus has been researching blood magic and fighting demons the entire time. Unless he wrote every last thing down, he's the only one with knowledge. When he dies, much of that knowledge goes with him. That's roughly 200 years of research on the subject gone. I certainly hope he left some records.

He's disseminating his findings, as well as attribute-enhancing potions made from them, to the Wardens. You see as much in DA2 if you spared him and let him continue his research in DAO.

[dragonflight288]

True. But still, that's 200 years of research. That's a lot to write down and send to the Wardens while still continuing the research.

[Xilizhra]

He did keep notes. You can read some.

[HSHAW]

dragonflight288 wrote...

True. But still, that's 200 years of research. That's a lot to write down and send to the Wardens while still continuing the research.

The letter also mentions that he has left very thorough reseacrh notes so that when he dies someone else can take his place and continue the research. That and he appears to have been taking notes the entire time judging by the notes of Avernus you find.

[dragonflight288]

Hmm. I must have missed that part.