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[HSHAW]

What do you think happens to it and Utha after Awakening (assuming you spared it and Utha). 

Modifié par HSHAW, 17 mai 2011 - 02:02 .

[Icy Magebane]

They team up with the Warden and First Commander to do some kind of research... haven't you played Nathaniel's DA2 quest? He mentions that the Darkspawn are actively hostile even though their new "allies" didn't think that would be the case... or something. No idea what specifically he and Utha are up to though...

[Foolsfolly]

Draining Wardens of their blood and foolishly trying to enlighten his 'people' while inadvertently setting off another Blight.

I mean, if he messes up it's a big mess.

If he does it right...then congratulations the unspeakable evil horrid monsters that were previously mindless and difficult to halt are now unstoppable since they can have thoughts now!

Whatever the Architect is doing, it's for no one's benefit.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Draining Wardens of their blood and foolishly trying to enlighten his 'people' while inadvertently setting off another Blight.

I mean, if he messes up it's a big mess.

If he does it right...then congratulations the unspeakable evil horrid monsters that were previously mindless and difficult to halt are now unstoppable since they can have thoughts now!

Whatever the Architect is doing, it's for no one's benefit.

A concious mind is not neccesarily a benefit to the Darkspawn.

[Foolsfolly]

Ask the Mother, her Children, and those Darkspawn that followed her willingly to lose their consciousness.

[HSHAW]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Draining Wardens of their blood and foolishly trying to enlighten his 'people' while inadvertently setting off another Blight.

I mean, if he messes up it's a big mess.

If he does it right...then congratulations the unspeakable evil horrid monsters that were previously mindless and difficult to halt are now unstoppable since they can have thoughts now!

Whatever the Architect is doing, it's for no one's benefit.

The Architect (probably) learned from accidently tainting Urthimiel that fiddling around with the Old Gods backfires horribly, I don't see The Architect going near another Old God any time soon.

[Svejk]

So drinking darkspawn (and archdemon) blood turns someone into a Grey Warden, drinking warden blood turns a darkspawn into a disciple... what would drinking disciple blood do to a Grey Warden?

[Rabies]

I foresee some of the Wardens working together with the intelligent darkspawn towards the goal of ending the cycle of the Blight.

If they could make it to where another archdemon never reappears, then that would accomplish the overall mission of the Wardens.

The biggest problem is that the darkspawn are still some of the most horrific monsters to ever walk the face of Thedas. They reproduce through the defilement of other races' women into brood mothers.

This is, at best, a temporary truce between the two factions. Yes, intelligent darkspawn wouldn't be the best thing in the world; but it's better than another archdemon waking up and appearing on Thedas.

[Rifneno]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Draining Wardens of their blood and foolishly trying to enlighten his 'people' while inadvertently setting off another Blight.

I mean, if he messes up it's a big mess.

If he does it right...then congratulations the unspeakable evil horrid monsters that were previously mindless and difficult to halt are now unstoppable since they can have thoughts now!

Whatever the Architect is doing, it's for no one's benefit.

This.  So much, this.  Intelligence is an invaluable asset to survival.  Look at the human body.  We have two things going for us: our brains, and our hands which are able to manipulate objects to use as tools.  The rest of our bodies are completely terrible when compared to the animal kingdom.  We're naturally slow with very poor offensive and defensive capabilities with no special abilities like venom or 4 spectrum vision.  Yet we're clearly the most dominate thing on the planet.  People in Thedas are being given a run for their money by darkspawn despite the darkspawn being basically without a conscious mind.  Give them an equal footing on intelligence and it's game over.

[Xilizhra]

That depends on if the darkspawn still want to conquer the surface (which they don't, even in their natural state, unless an archdemon is pushing them onward). Also, the darkspawn pretty much all work together as it is now; with minds, they could very easily fracture.

[Cyberarmy]

Svejk wrote...

So drinking darkspawn (and archdemon) blood turns someone into a Grey Warden, drinking warden blood turns a darkspawn into a disciple... what would drinking disciple blood do to a Grey Warden?

Sandal of course!

[HSHAW]

Xilizhra wrote...

That depends on if the darkspawn still want to conquer the surface (which they don't, even in their natural state, unless an archdemon is pushing them onward). Also, the darkspawn pretty much all work together as it is now; with minds, they could very easily fracture.

Pretty much this, if the Disciples want to live in peace (the kind that doesn't require wiping everybody else out first) then they will be valuable allies to the Grey Wardens (assuming that the Grey Wardens can keep knowledge of their existence from the chantry, if not, the Disciples existence will provoke a political *%&$storm), if the Disciples are still naturally violent like other Darkspawn otoh, they will need to be exterminated.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Darkspawn had sentience for 6months. In that time they managed to have a civil war. I'm guessing that the warlike nature of the Darkspawn, combined with their new found sentience, will just lead to the Darkspawn killing eachother more often than anybody else.

[Rifneno]

HSHAW wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That depends on if the darkspawn still want to conquer the surface (which they don't, even in their natural state, unless an archdemon is pushing them onward). Also, the darkspawn pretty much all work together as it is now; with minds, they could very easily fracture.

Pretty much this, if the Disciples want to live in peace (the kind that doesn't require wiping everybody else out first) then they will be valuable allies to the Grey Wardens (assuming that the Grey Wardens can keep knowledge of their existence from the chantry, if not, the Disciples existence will provoke a political *%&$storm), if the Disciples are still naturally violent like other Darkspawn otoh, they will need to be exterminated.

I can only remember encountering two sentient darkspawn that didn't try to kill my Warden.  The Architect himself, and that one that brought the message to Amaranthine.  The rest were all hostile.  I'd say it's time to steal some qunari chemical weapons and gas the Deep Roads.

[HSHAW]

Rifneno wrote...

HSHAW wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That depends on if the darkspawn still want to conquer the surface (which they don't, even in their natural state, unless an archdemon is pushing them onward). Also, the darkspawn pretty much all work together as it is now; with minds, they could very easily fracture.

Pretty much this, if the Disciples want to live in peace (the kind that doesn't require wiping everybody else out first) then they will be valuable allies to the Grey Wardens (assuming that the Grey Wardens can keep knowledge of their existence from the chantry, if not, the Disciples existence will provoke a political *%&$storm), if the Disciples are still naturally violent like other Darkspawn otoh, they will need to be exterminated.

I can only remember encountering two sentient darkspawn that didn't try to kill my Warden.  The Architect himself, and that one that brought the message to Amaranthine.  The rest were all hostile.  I'd say it's time to steal some qunari chemical weapons and gas the Deep Roads.

Don't forget the Withered, it didn't want to kill anyone it didn't have to kill.

Also, the trying to kill you thing could be chalked up to a combination of not knowing better (they've been sentient for 6 months, I'd say they're still getting used to the idea of doing something other than following their instincts) and the fact that you're technically at war with them.

[EmperorSahlertz]

On the other hand. The Disciples haven't ever met a Grey Warden who didn't try to kill them on sight either.

[Beerfish]

Why are all darkspawn and architects being painted with the same brush? Must we destroy them all just because some of them are bad? There is no evidence at all that any darkspawn is actually bad or evil until they attack. Genocide of a whole group just because of a few bad apples is a terrible thing, this we all know.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I see what you did there

[HSHAW]

Beerfish wrote...

Why are all darkspawn and architects being painted with the same brush? Must we destroy them all just because some of them are bad? There is no evidence at all that any darkspawn is actually bad or evil until they attack. Genocide of a whole group just because of a few bad apples is a terrible thing, this we all know.

[Porenferser]

God.....
Just imagine the Architect in the redesigned Darkspawn-Look.

*shudder*

[Amagoi]

Well, he was already redesigned for Awakening. Redesign him again and they might bring him closer in line to what he was described in The Calling.

[In Exile]

Xilizhra wrote...

That depends on if the darkspawn still want to conquer the surface (which they don't, even in their natural state, unless an archdemon is pushing them onward). Also, the darkspawn pretty much all work together as it is now; with minds, they could very easily fracture.

It doesn't matter. The darkspawn always win. In the end, it's them fracturing and running away that makes them beatable. 

The darkspawn reproduction is the forcible rape of non-darkspawn women. They need to be in a permanent state of war with the rest of the races (unless there is some offer of a constant rape sacrifice for their reproduction) of Thedas just to exist.

A darkspawn society willl poison the land to a degree that makes it unlivable (because of the enternal blight that will exist over it, since the blight - i.e. the diease - is caused by the existence of darkspawn) and they will need to rape to live.

How is that any kind of improvement?

[In Exile]

Beerfish wrote...

Why are all darkspawn and architects being painted with the same brush? Must we destroy them all just because some of them are bad? There is no evidence at all that any darkspawn is actually bad or evil until they attack. Genocide of a whole group just because of a few bad apples is a terrible thing, this we all know.

The darkspawn can't reproduce without rape.

Let me just allow that to sink in for a second.

Next, they poison the land by existing near it.

This includes killing off all animals and turning the sky into a cloud-covered nightmare.

The darkspawn, evil or not, are antithetical to the lives of non-darkspawn. Making them conscious just makes the neccesary genocide all the worse.

[HogarthHughes 3]

In Exile wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Why are all darkspawn and architects being painted with the same brush? Must we destroy them all just because some of them are bad? There is no evidence at all that any darkspawn is actually bad or evil until they attack. Genocide of a whole group just because of a few bad apples is a terrible thing, this we all know.

The darkspawn can't reproduce without rape.

Let me just allow that to sink in for a second.

Next, they poison the land by existing near it.

This includes killing off all animals and turning the sky into a cloud-covered nightmare.

The darkspawn, evil or not, are antithetical to the lives of non-darkspawn. Making them conscious just makes the neccesary genocide all the worse.

He was just trying to be clever by comparing the arguments for darkspawn to those used by mage supporters.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 18 mai 2011 - 01:05 .

[dragonflight288]

Pretty clever argument to support the darkspawn. Just a few flaws with it. A few of them (the Architect and others?) may be born intelligent. But that doesn't mean they like it. The Mother absolutely detested no longer hearing "the song", from I presume the archdemons. She was driven insane by her desperation to lose her sentience. She despised the silence brought about by her intelligence. All her followers were the dame. And they were willing to destroy everything around them in order to seek it out.

The Architect on the other hand has a horrible track record. He may seem reasonable and logical, but he is still a darkspawn and his concerns will always be for the darkspawn before any other race. His idea of creating peace is to turn every human, dwarf, elf, and qunari into ghouls. He doesn't even consider if darkspawn themselves want intelligence if the mother is anything to go off of. And he started the fifth blight because he was experimenting on an archdemon. You don't need to have intelligence in order to be stupid.

In order to create the broodmothers, darkspawn must rape women of various races. Then the broodmothers can give birth to thousands of darkspawn in their lifetime.

Now Darkspawn also poison and corrupt everything they come in contact with. The land blackens and sickens. Wild animals become blighted and far more savage and dangerous. Much like rabies in that regard. Anyone around them may be corrupted and become ghouls, and then suffer slow and painful deaths. This comes from being around them.

So if you want to support the darkspawn, you must ask if you also support kidnapping and rape to sustain their species. Do you agree with the forceful corruption of everything near their dwelling. Do you agree with people losing their minds and wills to the corruption. So long as darkspawn exist, so too does all that.

Not every mage gives into temptation of demons, but every darkspawn corrupts everything around them.