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[VoidCabbage]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect Genesis is now available for both the PC and Xbox 360.

I have a suggestion for those who do not think this is good value: Don't buy it. This is an option for players who have played Mass Effect 2, but have not played Mass Effect 1 (or have, but lost/sold/traded their copy before ME2 came out) but still want to set their plots states in saved games for ME2 and ME3. It is a cool little video that allows these plots to be set while knowing the context of what has been chosen.

It is not intended to take the place of playing Mass Effect 1. ME1 is a great game and you can definitely enjoy yourself playing through the first game making different choices and saved games. This is an option for those who want to set them quickly without needing to replay the entire game repeatedly.

As with all DLC, if this isn't something you want or don't see the value in buying, don't get it. Pretty simple.

I think this was sort of pointless and unless I'm misinterpreting it, a little bit rude.

Obviously people who don't want to spend the money on it, aren't going to spend the money on it... what people are doing is discussing whether or not they think pricing it as anything when the PS3 gets it free, is fair. (this is a discussion forum afterall.)

For me, I don't think its fair, but I don't really care because I can just use the modding tools to do it for free.. it would be kind of neat to see the interactive comic though but whatever.

EDIT: Patronizing, that's what I think the post was.(couldn't think of the word)

Modifié par VoidCabbage, 18 mai 2011 - 02:54 .

[EJ42]

VoidCabbage wrote...I think this was sort of pointless and unless I'm misinterpreting it, a little bit rude.

Obviously people who don't want to spend the money on it, aren't going to spend the money on it... what people are doing is discussing whether or not they think pricing it as anything when the PS3 gets it free, is fair. (this is a discussion forum afterall.)

For me, I don't think its fair, but I don't really care because I can just use the modding tools to do it for free.. it would be kind of neat to see the interactive comic though but whatever.

EDIT: Patronizing, that's what I think the post was.(couldn't think of the word)

That's what you pay the 320 points for.  You pay the 320 points because you want to have the interactive comic to view and interact with as you please.

You use the word "fair" when discussing price points between PC, Xbox, and PS3.  That's not a useful discussion.  PC users were able to purchase ME2 for $9.99 over Steam a couple of weeks ago.  Is that "fair" to PS3 players who had to pay $50+ for it?  Even so, nobody said the world has to be fair.

As you've said yourself, you aren't required to purchase it to enjoy ME2.  I bought it because I can.  Then again, I paid only $15 for both ME1 and ME2.  I bought all of the ME2 DLC mission content today and Genesis for 2800 points.  $35 + $15 = $50 for Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, the comic, and all of the downloadable missions.  I came out for less than I would have just buying ME2 alone for my crappy PS3.

[jakal66]

If you think this is good business then man we live on different worlds...of course they can charge anything..hell they can charge it for 100 dollars for all I care but...

A different question is...is it a reasonable price for what you're getting? I say no.I choose of course not to buy it and I also preffer to just do a playthrough in ME1 if I want something changed as I enjoy the hell of that game.
I understand your point and I respect it but please don't try to explain the whole business deal thing because we all know you can still give away free dlc and not lose your business(Left4dead 1 & 2).More if it's a little thing like this which the ps3 ownerd got for free...so I'll say it out loud.. this feels like a money grubbin' kinda move...cheap in my book...but yes they can do what they want...I just don't have to agree with it and above all I should be able to say what I think without someone's permission.

Well I also agree that charging full proce for such an old game to the ps3 owners was an unfairt move...but at least they got some content we had to pay for...

Modifié par jakal66, 18 mai 2011 - 03:28 .

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Bearcut wrote...

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Bearcut wrote...

So four bucks then?

Edit: Man, thats like a milkshake. People are weird with their spending habits. "Ill go out and spend 50 bucks on a steak but four bucks for a comic! SCREW THAT"

That's a ridiculous argument. Don't buy a car then, that way you can have LOTS of DLC! Plus, you seriously spend $50 for a steak? Really?

Well if I dont have a car, how am i gonna get to the store TO BUY THE GAME!! DUh!!

i think you missed the point

And no, I don't spend 50$ on a steak, but I know plenty of people who do.

Bus? I understand your argument, but it doesn't work. You can use the car example again - my car isn't worth that much, maybe $1000. A Bic Mac costs what, about $5 I think, something like that. Therefore you could argue that I should either go without a car so I can have 200 Big Mac's, or I shouldn't eat for a few weeks so I can own a car.

The value of something isn't an across-the-board type of thing, as the saying goes it's like comparing apples and oranges. I bought a Commander Shepard figure for $30 and can buy delicious Sushi for $6. Does that then make Shepard worth five lots of Sushi? No, because they do completely different things.

[Skarwael]

Does this mean that Bioware will now have put steps in place to make sure that people's savegames where they have used Gibbed will not import into ME3 so it forces people to download this?


This is a serious question. This worries me immensely.

Modifié par Skarwael, 18 mai 2011 - 03:58 .

[EJ42]

jakal66 wrote...

If you think this is good business then man we live on different worlds...of course they can charge anything..hell they can charge it for 100 dollars for all I care but...

A different question is...is it a reasonable price for what you're getting? I say no.I choose of course not to buy it and I also preffer to just do a playthrough in ME1 if I want something changed as I enjoy the hell of that game.
I understand your point and I respect it but please don't try to explain the whole business deal thing because we all know you can still give away free dlc and not lose your business(Left4dead 1 & 2).More if it's a little thing like this which the ps3 ownerd got for free...so I'll say it out loud.. this feels like a money grubbin' kinda move...cheap in my book...but yes they can do what they want...I just don't have to agree with it and above all I should be able to say what I think without someone's permission.

Well I also agree that charging full proce for such an old game to the ps3 owners was an unfairt move...but at least they got some content we had to pay for...

How about going to your local comic book store, and looking on the shelf at the prices of the latest comics?  ME: Genesis costs less than $5.  That's about what you'd pay for a mocha at Starbucks.

[jeweledleah]

Skarwael wrote...

Does this mean that Bioware will now have put steps in place to make sure that people's savegames where they have used Gibbed will not import into ME3 so it forces people to download this?


This is a serious question. This worries me immensely.

that would be my question as well.  I won't be buying genesis.  to be honest, I woudln't download it even if it was free.  i dislike how it was done and it doens't give nearly enough ME1 choice - I prefer to use gibbed to set up ME1 flags.  I have several ME2 playthroughs that I edited with gibbed, in terms of ME1 flags.  I really don't want to find out that those saves won't import into ME3.

[jakal66]

I'd rather have a coffee and a doughnut than pay for this but yes...it is a free world and you can do what you will with your money...but me? I'd rather end up with a full warm stomach than a sad cold feeling after seeing how poorly that was made...hell I'd pay 5 bucks for a cap for my monkey in happy pets than this...hahah(just being sarcastic)

[Cainne Chapel]

I do believe the devs have stated that they dont give a hoot one way or another if someone uses editors....BUT it can have the effect that it may corrupt a file here or there and therefore would render the importing save useless so *shrugs*

Guess its a use at your own risk kinda thing.

[VoidCabbage]

EJ42 wrote...

VoidCabbage wrote...I think this was sort of pointless and unless I'm misinterpreting it, a little bit rude.

Obviously people who don't want to spend the money on it, aren't going to spend the money on it... what people are doing is discussing whether or not they think pricing it as anything when the PS3 gets it free, is fair. (this is a discussion forum afterall.)

For me, I don't think its fair, but I don't really care because I can just use the modding tools to do it for free.. it would be kind of neat to see the interactive comic though but whatever.

EDIT: Patronizing, that's what I think the post was.(couldn't think of the word)

That's what you pay the 320 points for.  You pay the 320 points because you want to have the interactive comic to view and interact with as you please.

You use the word "fair" when discussing price points between PC, Xbox, and PS3.  That's not a useful discussion.  PC users were able to purchase ME2 for $9.99 over Steam a couple of weeks ago.  Is that "fair" to PS3 players who had to pay $50+ for it?  Even so, nobody said the world has to be fair.

As you've said yourself, you aren't required to purchase it to enjoy ME2.  I bought it because I can.  Then again, I paid only $15 for both ME1 and ME2.  I bought all of the ME2 DLC mission content today and Genesis for 2800 points.  $35 + $15 = $50 for Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, the comic, and all of the downloadable missions.  I came out for less than I would have just buying ME2 alone for my crappy PS3.

Yes well, the main focus of my point was that I felt Chris Priestly's remark was unnecessary, and mean spirited.

But as far as fairness goes... I completely agree that the world doesnt have to be fair. It'd be nice if it was, but I accept that isn't the world we live in.

I'll restate... I don't really care either way. I have 0 stake in this whole argument. Even if I really really wanted the DLC but really really didn't want to pay I could just torrent it or whatever... I'm just giving my opinion because I was making a comment in a discussion thread discussing it.

I just noticed the New DLC thing and clicked the bioware thing to see what the devs had said. Read Priestly's remark and thought "well that's just not helping anything" and decided to point that out.

EDIT: also fairness as a useful discussion. I really like Bioware, they make cool games and they seem to be a rather nice company.. (One of the few mainstream companies willing to admit gays exist, and apperently winning awards for being a great place to work.) So while I agree Bioware does not need to conduct itself in a fair way, it does sadden me to see the sometimes desicions they make (all that crazyness back when DA2 released for instance)

Modifié par VoidCabbage, 18 mai 2011 - 04:11 .

[Xeranx]

Modifié par Xeranx, 18 mai 2011 - 04:07 .

[jakal66]

VoidCabbage wrote...

EJ42 wrote...

VoidCabbage wrote...I think this was sort of pointless and unless I'm misinterpreting it, a little bit rude.

Obviously people who don't want to spend the money on it, aren't going to spend the money on it... what people are doing is discussing whether or not they think pricing it as anything when the PS3 gets it free, is fair. (this is a discussion forum afterall.)

For me, I don't think its fair, but I don't really care because I can just use the modding tools to do it for free.. it would be kind of neat to see the interactive comic though but whatever.

EDIT: Patronizing, that's what I think the post was.(couldn't think of the word)

That's what you pay the 320 points for.  You pay the 320 points because you want to have the interactive comic to view and interact with as you please.

You use the word "fair" when discussing price points between PC, Xbox, and PS3.  That's not a useful discussion.  PC users were able to purchase ME2 for $9.99 over Steam a couple of weeks ago.  Is that "fair" to PS3 players who had to pay $50+ for it?  Even so, nobody said the world has to be fair.

As you've said yourself, you aren't required to purchase it to enjoy ME2.  I bought it because I can.  Then again, I paid only $15 for both ME1 and ME2.  I bought all of the ME2 DLC mission content today and Genesis for 2800 points.  $35 + $15 = $50 for Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, the comic, and all of the downloadable missions.  I came out for less than I would have just buying ME2 alone for my crappy PS3.

Yes well, the main focus of my point was that I felt Chris Priestly's remark was unnecessary, and mean spirited.

But as far as fairness goes... I completely agree that the world doesnt have to be fair. It'd be nice if it was, but I accept that isn't the world we live in.

I'll restate... I don't really care either way. I have 0 stake in this whole argument. Even if I really really wanted the DLC but really really didn't want to pay I could just torrent it or whatever... I'm just giving my opinion because I was making a comment in a discussion thread discussing it.

I just noticed the New DLC thing and clicked the bioware thing to see what the devs had said. Read Priestly's remark and thought "well that's just not helping anything" and decided to point that out.

Totally agree, it was out of touch...you'd expect that from a forum member but not him...

[CARL_DF90]

Exactly what I was thinking as well. Just read my earlier post on page 6 and I bought up that the comic was a disservice due to the mistakes that were made with it. Between that and Chris' response it does not exactly help matters. I just hope that that get back in touch with those mistake, and learn from them for the release of ME3. Sure, you can't please everyone, but the whole point to making a mistake is to learn from it, right?

[EJ42]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

Exactly what I was thinking as well. Just read my earlier post on page 6 and I bought up that the comic was a disservice due to the mistakes that were made with it. Between that and Chris' response it does not exactly help matters. I just hope that that get back in touch with those mistake, and learn from them for the release of ME3. Sure, you can't please everyone, but the whole point to making a mistake is to learn from it, right?

I bought the DLC, and I can at least say that I'm displeased with it.  It does not start at the beginning, as it should.  It starts after you finish the intro sequence.  That doesn't allow your choice of ME1 love interest to affect the opening sequence.

I'm also curious to see if it has any effect on my ability to import decisions from actual ME1 games.  I don't have the time to deal with it for now, but I suppose I can just delete the DLC folder to uninstall it.

Either way, it was just $5 worth of curiosity.  I'll just skip the next cup of coffee as I pass by a Starbucks

[EJ42]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect Genesis is now available for both the PC and Xbox 360.

I have a suggestion for those who do not think this is good value: Don't buy it. This is an option for players who have played Mass Effect 2, but have not played Mass Effect 1 (or have, but lost/sold/traded their copy before ME2 came out) but still want to set their plots states in saved games for ME2 and ME3. It is a cool little video that allows these plots to be set while knowing the context of what has been chosen.

It is not intended to take the place of playing Mass Effect 1. ME1 is a great game and you can definitely enjoy yourself playing through the first game making different choices and saved games. This is an option for those who want to set them quickly without needing to replay the entire game repeatedly.

As with all DLC, if this isn't something you want or don't see the value in buying, don't get it. Pretty simple.

I get what you're saying, but I really think I'd have been more satisfied with my purchase if the comic had started immediately after creating a new (non-import) character instead of after the opening sequence.  If you don't import an actual ME1 character, you're stuck with Liara in the opening sequence no matter what you choose in Genesis.

[Abirn]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

They're charging for it? This piece of crap? Unbelievable.

I hope you are being sarcastic, they have a right to charge you for their product.  If you don't like it then don't buy it.

No I wasn't. I also have the right to an opinion. And I think if they're gonna make it available to PC and 360 it should be free or it shouldn't be available at all.

Someone sounds like they have a sense of entitlement, the world doesn't work that way, if you want something you have pay for it that is the way the world works.

You mean like how PS3 users had to pay for it?  

Normally I agree with you about the sense of entitlement regarding American culture but lets not pretend that this instance is without precedent of the item in question being given away for free.

edit:  That said the BEST solution would be for them NOT to corrupt our import files just because we used gibbed editor.

Modifié par Abirn, 18 mai 2011 - 04:42 .

[rocketsauce v2]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

They're charging for it? This piece of crap? Unbelievable.

I hope you are being sarcastic, they have a right to charge you for their product.  If you don't like it then don't buy it.

No I wasn't. I also have the right to an opinion. And I think if they're gonna make it available to PC and 360 it should be free or it shouldn't be available at all.

Someone sounds like they have a sense of entitlement, the world doesn't work that way, if you want something you have pay for it that is the way the world works.

kotor effect, you sound like you really don't know what your talking about. the fact that they released this pos for a 16 month old game, on the only platform that you could own the original game for in nov 2007 (42months ago) means that it is useless and pointless. no, no one is making anyone download this, but who on the xbox who has played me 1 and 2 (not to mention several times) would be happy to pay for something they have been investing the last 4 years into? for a quick 15 minute fix? Seriously? C'mon, completely ridiculous, maybe bioware will hire you for marketing since you seem to understand their stance.

[Reever]

I´ve read Casey´s post, and he´s right of course, but still...320p? Meh.

I´ve got ME1 anyway, so it´s not really a problem ^^

[Xeranx]

Abirn wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

They're charging for it? This piece of crap? Unbelievable.

I hope you are being sarcastic, they have a right to charge you for their product.  If you don't like it then don't buy it.

No I wasn't. I also have the right to an opinion. And I think if they're gonna make it available to PC and 360 it should be free or it shouldn't be available at all.

Someone sounds like they have a sense of entitlement, the world doesn't work that way, if you want something you have pay for it that is the way the world works.

You mean like how PS3 users had to pay for it?  

Normally I agree with you about the sense of entitlement regarding American culture but lets not pretend that this instance is without precedent of the item in question being given away for free.

edit:  That said the BEST solution would be for them NOT to corrupt our import files just because we used gibbed editor.

Please tell me this isn't true.  When was this said?

[Skarwael]

If you can import your edited saves into ME2, I don't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to import the saves into ME3 unless they've intentionally sabotaged it.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I don't want to see *that* version of Wrex again. Or did comic-Wrex come from something else?

[FDrage]

I certainly won't be buying that comic again, rather play ME1 again to make certain decisions.

However for those people that started ME sage with ME2 (which was one of Biowares intend to attract new players to the saga) and haven't bought or new about ME1 it is a bit a weird thing to charge them no matter how much. Very weird ...

[MouseNo4]

I will buy it. I am a sucker for anything with the words Mass and Effect in the title.

[N7 Vanguard]

Really Bioware? 4 bucks for something that is completely free for ps3? I think that is really disrespectful to pretty much every xbox/pc user. What ever keeps the cash-cow fed right Bioware?

Modifié par N7 Vanguard, 18 mai 2011 - 09:57 .

[KotorEffect3]

rocketsauce v2 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

They're charging for it? This piece of crap? Unbelievable.

I hope you are being sarcastic, they have a right to charge you for their product.  If you don't like it then don't buy it.

No I wasn't. I also have the right to an opinion. And I think if they're gonna make it available to PC and 360 it should be free or it shouldn't be available at all.

Someone sounds like they have a sense of entitlement, the world doesn't work that way, if you want something you have pay for it that is the way the world works.

kotor effect, you sound like you really don't know what your talking about. the fact that they released this pos for a 16 month old game, on the only platform that you could own the original game for in nov 2007 (42months ago) means that it is useless and pointless. no, no one is making anyone download this, but who on the xbox who has played me 1 and 2 (not to mention several times) would be happy to pay for something they have been investing the last 4 years into? for a quick 15 minute fix? Seriously? C'mon, completely ridiculous, maybe bioware will hire you for marketing since you seem to understand their stance.

If you think it is useless and pointless then don't buy it, it is that simple.  I have played both ME 2 and ME 1 several times so I don't need the comic but if I wanted to have the comic why shouldn't I pay for it?  You are the one that doesn't know what they are talking about.    I don't know if you understand the concept of capitalism but maybe you should look it up,  you sound like someone with an overblown sense of entitlement that wants a free handout.  And considering that you referrred to it as a pos why should you care if they charge for it?  You are not likely to get it afterall.