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[uzivatel]

2kgnsiika wrote...

It's also not implied that it isn't Microsoft's policy. So they could be indeed forcing EA and other to charge for DLC.

How about PC? Microsofts fault as well?

[Euno17]

LGTX wrote...

Euno17 look, a pathetic tactic that WORKS can have all the controversy in the world thrown in its face, it won't go down that way. I'm not saying I'm agreeing on anything, I just try to show you why this makes sense, why Bioware did this, and why, ultimately, it was the best commercial and consumer-based option.

And not believing that DLC is actually made AFTER the game release seems like more of a preconception than what I said. Sure, it's what everybody believes in, and it characterizes "evil companies milking money" best of all, but you can't just say that, can you?

Also, the nickel and dime thing, the part where you went at me personally... I don't really plan to buy this comic since I have my ME1 saves handy for usage anytime, and I didn't touch any appearance packs because I didn't have any interest... I think there was this armor DLC or something I also didn't buy... that's the DLC being optional for ME. If I'm the kind of customer they want, they have their heads in the right place, at the very least.

Greedy companies make money without which ME2 would not be a 96 Metacritic title, and without which ME3 will get squished under its hype train like a melon. I don't like EA as well. I just tend to look at things from a brighter side. You wouldn't run the company(ies) better than their current heads, would you?

And just to clear the air, I respect your opinion and don't really enjoy outsmarting arguments over forums, but in all honesty, with all seriousness, I don't understand what there is not to get about Bioware's decision on this. Or EA's. Or whoever calls the shots on these kinda stuff.

I never said that the tactic didn't work. I know it works, that's why it's so pathetic because people are willing to waste their money on useless things that actual add no true value to the game. I woud love to believe that the money that is made from these nicek and dime scheme's are being thrown back into the production of the next game and what-not but considering the fact that EA has had a number of bad years, I see this as a way to boost their costs on other things.

Just because it works doesn't mean they should do it. Hell, look at the Madden franchise as a example of another EA product. Pretty much there are no real changes year to year yet every year they sell the game at 60 dolars a pop. My point is, EA/Bioware wouldn't be doing these tactics if no one would be freaking suckers and continuall buy them. 

How many developers has EA destroyed over the years? How many horrible products have they produced or had their hands on? Now look at how many 'good' products EA has made over the years. I think it is safe to say that EA is one of those evil corporate companies and yes, they want to milk every product they make for all it's worth and do so in the best possible cost-saving way.

And yes, it is a pre-conceived notion of mine to believe that they made the majority if not all of these products during the production of the game and from my point of view - if the entire point of these DLC is to make money and I have to assume that it is, then there would be far more profits to be made if these things are done during production of the game. It's a win-win for the company since they'd probably include these costs into the production of the game rather then having to add into the cost of making them at a later date.

I know people are also arguring that 'hey it's only 4 dollars', that doesn't make the tactic any better. it just means you are more willing to part with your money because you see it as a cheap price. It's a saavy move and I never said it wasn't but the entire idea pisses me off.

You really think the same people who came up with the DLC concept would be the same people who would be willing to throw that money back into their products? It's a novel idea but it just doesn't fly with the reality of most companies - esp. one like EA which is in financial trouble (not they would actually throw in money to their products ragardless). The sad thing is, they wouldn't be in this trouble if they actually cared about their products and invested the money/time to make decent products (since the life-span of these products would actually be longer and therefore net them more money as word passes around that their games are good threfore enticing more people over-time to buy them.)

Ever heard of the Key Employee Continuity Plan? It's a nice little golden parachute plan for the EA heads - you know in-case any of the higher ups lose their jobs. This is the kind of corporation that Bioware threw themsevles into. Despite what I would hope, these little money maker schemes are in place to well dole out bonus's etc etc etc . . . to the Corporate heads or to meet a possible 'profit' standard by EA. 

In a perfect world, the money being made from these things would actually help the initial products but we aren't in a perfect world and well considering the situation it seems that people are foolish enough to buy these things so why not implment it? I actually can't decide who I am more annoyed at, the people who would buy stuff like this, or the company who would create it, knowing that they have no intention what so ever of actually using the money generated in a constructive way (like make better future products.)

[brain_damage]

Ahhh,FemShep is canonicaly bi now, flirting with Liara and everything. Bravo, Bioware.

[PrinceLionheart]

brain_damage wrote...

Ahhh,FemShep is canonicaly bi now, flirting with Liara and everything. Bravo, Bioware.

There's a difference between finding someone attractive and actually being attracted to them.

[SirOccam]

Thanks, BioWare. I had been hoping this would come out. As great as ME1 was, replaying it all the way through every time you wanted a new non-default ME2 character could get exhausting, especially when you're an obsessive type who can't bring himself to skip even the minor missions.

For those complaining about spending a few bucks...come on. You probably all have at least that much in your couch cushions right now. Of course we'd all like everything we want to be free, but that's just not how the world works. If it's worth it to you, throw a couple dollars their way. If it's not, you get to hold onto your precious, precious money. It's like what, a coffee? A third of a movie ticket? And you get to keep it forever.

[Apollo Starflare]

SirOccam wrote...

Thanks, BioWare. I had been hoping this would come out. As great as ME1 was, replaying it all the way through every time you wanted a new non-default ME2 character could get exhausting, especially when you're an obsessive type who can't bring himself to skip even the minor missions.

Definitely this.

I only have so much time to spare for a video game I have already completed numerous times. For me once I had finished Shepard #6 that would have been pretty much it if only because I can't avoid being a completionist. That's with the possible exception of a 1-3 runthrough character down the line.

This allows me to make a new character with depth at any point in the series (what with 3 have this feature as well), and as such will probably give me a greater chance of playing the games through many more times.

[ladyvader]

Since I got a free copy of Mass Effect 2 for PC. Thanks BioWare/EA for that, BTW. I got Genesis for PC. Saves me the time and money of buying Mass Effect for PC, so I could create the Shepard I wanted. Not like I don't have 10+ Shepards for Xbox 360.

[HeavyTankZA]

only one massively glaring oversight. feros colony...

[onelifecrisis]

Finally! 320 points seems a bit cheeky (really should be free for owners of ME2 IMO) but it's cheap enough I suppose. Downloading...

[onelifecrisis]

Okay, downloaded and installed. Now how do I launch the damn thing? I launched ME2, signed into Cerberus Network to validate the new DLC, but my ME2 main menu is the same as it was before. I tried "New Game" but I just got the same old Male/Female/Import options. Help!

[Turran]

Hmm, although I won't be using it at all, as I feel actually playing through the games is more immersive and indulging, I am glad to see people won't be left in the dark about the first game (Just don't see why as ME1 is barely any more money ontop of this )

[RubyRed1975]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Okay, downloaded and installed. Now how do I launch the damn thing? I launched ME2, signed into Cerberus Network to validate the new DLC, but my ME2 main menu is the same as it was before. I tried "New Game" but I just got the same old Male/Female/Import options. Help!

Pick your character play through the opening and then Genesis will kick in

[Odoyle]

HeavyTankZA wrote...

only one massively glaring oversight. feros colony...

Conrad Verner > Feros Colony

I appreciate what BioWare has done here, I really do. But there are a lot of glaring ommissions that could have been fixed if they had approached this in a different way.

Bringing in Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale to narrate was pure win. But the comic book interface was not necessary. They could have easily pulled this off with a collection of screenshots and still pictures from the actual game. It would have been a lot cheaper than entering into another agreement with Dark Horse Comics, and it would have allowed them to include more of the minor decisions, characters, and events, that give the game flavor. Not to mention, most people would argue that Feros was NOT a minor part of the first game.

Too late now, I guess. For those reasons, it's easier to stick with Gibbed, or do a 15-20 hour casual playthrough. It's a long weekend, so I might do just that.

[hvkasteren]

I might actually be interested in paying for this. Unfortunately there still isn't an option to purchase 320 points. Why can't we just pay directly for DLC......

[Dr. Explosion]

I bought a bunch of points before DA 2 came out, in anticipation of all the DLC I'd be buying for it but that isn't going to happen<_<, so I'll gladly buy this

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Valcutio wrote...

The first of the free witcher 2 DLC hit today. It adds over 90 minutes of gameplay. Meanwhile, Bioware is trying to sell an import mod like the one that their fanbase made months ago.

It's like Bioware wants their fans to go away. It's like they've given up trying to make us feel appreciated.

Yeah right, The Witcher 2 came out this week. It's ''free DLC'' just like The Stone Prisoner was DLC - a tactic to hinder pirates.

Not that I agree with this ''comic'' thing having a price. FFS, it's not even part of a game, it's just a tool, like the DA pre-release character creator. It would have been neat to check out, but really, I finished ME1 6 times already.

Modifié par Spaghetti_Ninja, 20 mai 2011 - 10:07 .

[JedTed]

It's disapointing that this isn't free but as an Xbox 360 user who owns both ME1 and 2 it's not exactly nessicary. That said i bought it anyway just for the hell of it, it's only 350 MS points(what's that in real money, $3?) so it's not a big deal.

[Haristo]

If it is not free, it totally doesn't worth it

it is not free...

[Dudeman315]

JedTed is why Microsoft loves points--people don't understand what they translate into--320 is $4--every MS point costs 1.25 cents and they can only be bought in bundles. Also it was free to PS3 users--and isn't as functional as free alternatives.

[United_Strafes]

Instead of me playing ME3 can you guys just sell me the end for Bioware points?

[KainrycKarr]

Cool. Don't need it but nice to know it's available.

As for the rest of you....you babies make me want to bash my skull into my keyboard. Just shut up and quit whining about every little thing BW does.

[JedTed]

Dudeman315 wrote...

JedTed is why Microsoft loves points--people don't understand what they translate into--320 is $4--every MS point costs 1.25 cents and they can only be bought in bundles. Also it was free to PS3 users--and isn't as functional as free alternatives.

My point was it's not a ton of money for one tiny bit of DLC.  If you don't want it than don't buy it, i bought it cause i was curious and it was my money.

[BigC-VI]

We seriously have to pay? Haven't you made enough money from the 360 version? You made enough to release ME2 with a better engine and give all the people the DLC's FREE? But the guys who payed for all the DLC, no...they can fork out a little more. Screw EA. Bioware, not happy with you, but respect.

[SSV Enterprise]

320 points? No thanks, not worth it. I'd really much rather play through Mass Effect 1 all over again than pay a few dollars to make six decisions from ME1 and watch a comic with unimpressive art and Mark Meer's droning voice.

[Esbatty]

...

But seriously, I bought it. I support the Mass Effect team and I do want to explore the Kaidan romance now that I know he gets to be a badass Spectre, I just... don't want to spent 50-60 hours to see that outcome. Especially since I prefer ME2's combat over ME1s.