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[TheAwesomologist]

So I was thinking for a another play through to go with the worst possible outcome to DA2.

Now technically the game ends one of two ways:
1) You side with the Mages and flee Kirkwall.
2) You side with the Templars, become Viscount, THEN flee Kirkwall.
So no ending is really that bad (unlike Origins or ME1&2)

However DA2 is wrapped entirely around your companions, in fact Hawke ends up playing second fiddle to them in the long run.

So I want to put together a play through were Hawke is basically an evil buffoon who does everything wrong. I'm thinking of starting off as a Rogue, mainly an Archer.

Here are some decisions I'm planning on. Just curious if there are ways I can make it worse:
Act 1:

• Recruit everyone (I know I can simply not recruit some companions, but I still want as complete a play through as possible)
• Bethany becomes a circle mage
• Rival Everyone if possible (this may need some adjustments for later plot points)
• Take the 50g loan to fund Deep Roads expedition
• Spare Kelder
• Side with Templars (IMHO the worst path)
• Use Varric as little as possible so the game makes less sense. Rival.

Act 2:

• Sell out Fenryiel to the demon
• Turn Isabella over to the Arishok (possibly after romance)
• Side with Petrice
• Continue to side with the Templars

Act 3:

• Turn Fenris over to Denarius
• Finish siding with Templars
• Spare Anders but side with Templars for eventual fight (not sure if possible)
• Lose Sebastian
• Kill Bethany (This will be one of the true tests of my personal willpower)
• Possibly Kill Merrill if I can keep her Friend/Rival low (not sure if possible if I lose Anders and Bethany as well)

With those decisions in mind anyone have suggestions on making a worse Hawke? Any other quests/decisions I should make?

[JoHnDoE14]

 Uh, I simply HATE myself when I make a worst playthourgh. I don't really know why I keep doing it, but this is not the point of the thread.
 Anyway, I think that you should neither do Aveline's first personal quest nor her second one, so that she doesn't become a permanent captain and never hooks up with Donnic. Also, give Varric the shard. I think that should be enough..I can't really think of anything else right now.

Modifié par JoHnDoE14, 18 mai 2011 - 02:41 .

[TheAwesomologist]

JoHnDoE14 wrote...

 Uh, I simply HATE myself when I make a worst playthourgh. I don't really know why I keep doing it, but this is not the point of the thread.
 Anyway, I think that you should neither do Aveline's first personal quest nor her second one, so that she doesn't become a permanent captain and never hooks up with Donnic. Also, give Varric the shard. I think that should be enough..I can't really think of anything else right now.

I didn't realize it was possible to deny Aveline becoming captain or her relationship with Donnic. I'm more interested in the later than I am in denying her becoming captain. I do figure that since I will finish the game with her in the end no mater what I wanted to rival her. Figured that would require doing her quests. Is it possible to make her captain but sabotage her relationship?

[Perles75]

I never thought that Aveline could not be made captain! What becomes of her in this case?

[TheAwesomologist]

The wiki doesn't seem to indicate if you have to skip both her Act 1 and Act 2 quests or just her Act 2 quest to prevent her from being with Donnic.

[Rydia_Alexander]

I thought I saw somewhere that she still becomes captain and gets with Donnic. I maybe wrong about it though.

[blind black]

good luck with killing bethany. thats the one thing that i couldn't do in a d-bag/pro templar hawke play through.

[ArawnNox]

Take her into the deep roads and don't take Anders.
On Aveline, I think I remember reading that she still becomes captain, but you don't get the Act 3 quest when the last captain, who's name I forget, stirs up trouble.

[TheAwesomologist]

blind black wrote...

good luck with killing bethany. thats the one thing that i couldn't do in a d-bag/pro templar hawke play through.

I'm trying to plan this out so I don't unnecisarily kill someone off when there's a worse way. I do not look forward to killing Bethany and Merrill (if possible), getting rid of Isabella, or messing too much with Aveline, but I want to see if I can make Hawke infamous and see if that tone somehow carries over.
Basically if DA3 comes out with a new protagonist I want characters to say in their cameos "Hawke? Yeah that guy was a d-bag."

[Sylvianus]

Side with Petrice

Sorry bro', it's impossible. I don't Like the Qun, and wanted to kill them all. But no. Impossible. Welcome to the world of Dragon Age 2 , and the illusion of choice !

You are clearly obliged to be cons Petric, obsviouly without power to kill her. 
The different sentence will lead you exactly to the same result. XD

Modifié par Sylvianus, 18 mai 2011 - 07:22 .

[TheAwesomologist]

Sylvianus wrote...

Side with Petrice

Sorry bro', it's impossible. I don't Like the Qun, and wanted to kill them all. But no. Impossible. Welcome to the world of Dragon Age 2 , and the illusion of choice !

You are clearly obliged to be cons Petric, obsviouly without power to kill her. 
The different sentence will lead you exactly to the same result. XD

It's more about being anti-qunari, not earning the arishok's respect, and covering up the kidnapping and murder. I know she still dies but remember, in this play through Hawke isn't a Hero, he's a d-bag (which if you look through history isn't all that uncommon...)

[Sylvianus]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Side with Petrice

Sorry bro', it's impossible. I don't Like the Qun, and wanted to kill them all. But no. Impossible. Welcome to the world of Dragon Age 2 , and the illusion of choice !

You are clearly obliged to be cons Petric, obsviouly without power to kill her. 
The different sentence will lead you exactly to the same result. XD

It's more about being anti-qunari, not earning the arishok's respect, and covering up the kidnapping and murder.

The problem is that it doesn't stick.

When I told Ser Varnell I want to help him to kill all qunari, that I'm anti-qun,  I want to see them burn. He replied me : before that, he must eliminate all external influences that could threaten his actions and those of their faction. Ehh okay.

While I have clearly expressed my support. It does not make sense. You can not be labeled as anti-qun.

With Petric, Hawk can not even express his support. The pragmatic sentence, is to threaten her. You are led necessarily to be neutral.  In some ways, my player' s willingness  was simply ignored.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 18 mai 2011 - 08:02 .

[HogarthHughes 3]

You can side with Petrice and Varnell. You just have to have the aggressive personality(meaning choose the angry dick choices most of the time) and you can throw your murder knife into a Qunari delegates chest when Varnell questions you. Petrice will live, as long as you continue to support her after she kills Saemus. You even get to talk with her in Act III, dunno if she is in the Chantry or not when Anders blows it though.

[Sylvianus]

Oh? You teach me something. So finally it is possible to be anti-qun?

I'll be replaying a playthrough. Thanks.

[JoHnDoE14]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

JoHnDoE14 wrote...

 Uh, I simply HATE myself when I make a worst playthourgh. I don't really know why I keep doing it, but this is not the point of the thread.
 Anyway, I think that you should neither do Aveline's first personal quest nor her second one, so that she doesn't become a permanent captain and never hooks up with Donnic. Also, give Varric the shard. I think that should be enough..I can't really think of anything else right now.

I didn't realize it was possible to deny Aveline becoming captain or her relationship with Donnic. I'm more interested in the later than I am in denying her becoming captain. I do figure that since I will finish the game with her in the end no mater what I wanted to rival her. Figured that would require doing her quests. Is it possible to make her captain but sabotage her relationship?

 She always becomes a captain, but she will simply not be a permanent one.

[lobi]

I ate a chicken sandwich yesterday. I even put mustard on it. Adventurous I am.
It was still just a chicken sandwich but, with mustard.
Mustard is my awesome button.

Modifié par lobi, 19 mai 2011 - 09:25 .

[Fast Jimmy]

I would add that you decide to join the smugglers, and in Act 2 you force the boy who is indebted to the smugglers to return back to them and live a life of crime to pay back his debt. That's kind of a d!ck-a-patomus move.

Also, although most people do this anyway, I'd say do all of Merril's side quests and slaughter her clan. Do not spare them.

And lastly, I would spare the bureacrat's son. While not a total d-bag move since he does appear to have some genuine mental issues and remorse, it is still pretty weak, given that his rich dad is just buying his freedom, resulting in more and more innocent children's deaths.

[TheAwesomologist]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I would add that you decide to join the smugglers, and in Act 2 you force the boy who is indebted to the smugglers to return back to them and live a life of crime to pay back his debt. That's kind of a d!ck-a-patomus move.

Also, although most people do this anyway, I'd say do all of Merril's side quests and slaughter her clan. Do not spare them.

And lastly, I would spare the bureacrat's son. While not a total d-bag move since he does appear to have some genuine mental issues and remorse, it is still pretty weak, given that his rich dad is just buying his freedom, resulting in more and more innocent children's deaths.

Good tip on the smuggler kid. Working through Act 1 and just picked up that quest.
I always kill Merrill's clan, simply because "I take responsibility" is misleading and I don't throw Merrill under the bus.
I already planned on sparing Kelder. I'm curous what happens to the girl (I only saw her in Act 3 once since it turns out you need Aveline in your party to see her.)

About Aveline: Is it safe to do her Act 1 quest but just skip her Act 2 quest? Fine with her being captain (she has to quit in 6 years anyways) I just don't want her to get married.

[Exicuren]

Let Varric kill his brother.

[TheAwesomologist]

Exicuren wrote...

Let Varric kill his brother.

Good call!

[Rithmerdui]

It's possible to side with Petrice and the anti-qunari, ive have done that many times.
Ser Varnell survives, and Petrice aswell.
Varnell is harder to convince to trust you, well throw a knife at one of the Qunari and he will support you.
Even as Petrice survives Grand Cleric Elthina will still strip her of Mother title, for the great risk she has made with standing against the Qunari. But she will continue her "business" outside of the Chantry.
(You need to have Aggressive Personality on Hawke to do this)

Also that Bethany can be killed with no difficulty, just tell her that Orsino protected Quentin the blood mage which killed your and her mother, she will then fight alongside you against Harvester Orsino. Then after Orsino fight you will be given the option to let Meredith strike her down with the Lyrium sword.

And you might have Varric keep the small piece of the Lyrium idol to make him insane.
Altought it wont be so visible, but he may touch and listen to the "song" the Idol every now and then as a obsession, but yet doesnt want to show others hes obsessed with it(Like the One ring, in Lord of the rings).

Have Zevran turned over to the Crows, perhaps aswell? ("A Murder of Crows") If you are not a rogue and not in romance with Isabela(and she may be gone), whats the point helping him, can better have him turned over?

Well there is a decision whether or not help Anders by distract the Grand cleric, anyhow he will still blow it up.
He will still turn on you if you go against the mages even if you distracted Grand Cleric. You are then also responsible for her death and Execute Anders in Lowtown or confront him at the Gallows.

And make your companions do acts which make them either more like a vicious killer or make them feel bad for their actions, like when you don't care to stop Justice/Anders killing the poor mage in "Dissent".

Modifié par Nemeriss, 23 mai 2011 - 10:28 .

[TheAwesomologist]

Nemeriss wrote...

Also that Bethany can be killed with no difficulty, just tell her that Orsino protected Quentin the blood mage which killed your and her mother, she will then fight alongside you against Harvester Orsino. Then after Orsino fight you will be given the option to let Meredith strike her down with the Lyrium sword.

Not gonna lie, i'm already having a hard time thinking about killing Bethany. I may have to just let her die in the Deep Roads. Make that be the reason why my Hawke goes full retard and sides with the Templars.

Nemeriss wrote...

And you might have Varric keep the small piece of the Lyrium idol to make him insane.
Altought it wont be so visible, but he may touch and listen to the "song" the Idol every now and then as a obsession, but yet doesnt want to show others hes obsessed with it(Like the One ring, in Lord of the rings).

I thought about that but truth is that rune is hard to pass up. I'll have Varric kill his brother and then be a dbag and take the lyrium shard.

Nemeriss wrote...

Have Zevran turned over to the Crows, perhaps aswell? ("A Murder of Crows") If you are not a rogue and not in romance with Isabela(and she may be gone), whats the point helping him, can better have him turned over?

I've helped him in several prior play throughs but since I always kill Meredith so quickly he never shows up in the finalle. Isabella will be gone by this point so yeah, I'll be turning him over.

Nemeriss wrote...

Well there is a decision whether or not help Anders by distract the Grand cleric, anyhow he will still blow it up.
He will still turn on you if you go against the mages even if you distracted Grand Cleric. You are then also responsible for her death and Execute Anders in Lowtown or confront him at the Gallows.

I'll probably skip the "distract Elthina" part of his quest, if I can even keep Anders around that long (if I'm not mistaken there's a chance he'll leave me anyways in Act 2... still looking that up). Either way I always kill Anders.

Nemeriss wrote...

And make your companions do acts which make them either more like a vicious killer or make them feel bad for their actions, like when you don't care to stop Justice/Anders killing the poor mage in "Dissent".

Good call. Also making the deal with Topor. If you send Fenryiel to the Circle in Act 1 do you still get his Night Terrors quest in Act 2?

[Fast Jimmy]

Yes, if he is in the circle you can still do his quest.

[TheAwesomologist]

Okay just hit Act 3 and these are my actions so far:
Act 1:
Bethany dies in the Deep Roads (I like her too much and I know I'd be too weak to kill her later. Pathetic I know)
Sided with Templars for the most part.
Act 2: Made deal with Topor.
Sent Isabella away with the Arishok (This is a bit of a let down as so far no one in Act 3 has called me out on it. In fact I got got some party banter where my teammates still refer to her.)
Romanced Merrill (at first I was just going to kick her out when the scene was over but then i figured how great would it be if this Hawke killed all the other mages except for the one he actually knows uses Blood Magic willingly. That and she's bewitching...)
Let Varric kill Bartrand.
Let Anders kill the girl.
Sided with Petrice and Varnell.
Did not help Aveline hook up with Donnic. (Aveline keeps saying we're not friends (rival) even though I use her more than any other character.)
Act 3: So far I've picked up Fenris's quest and then turned him over.

I'm down Bethany, Isabella, and Fenris. Planning on killing Anders, however since I've rivaled him, if I let him go and side with the templars will he fight me later? That way I can lose Anders AND Sebastian?